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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Delsyd said:
i was refering to anti depressent doses of aMT (5-10mg, like when it was used as Indopan in my mother Russia)
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Pardon my misinterpretation...

I was re-dosing smoked over oral later that night, and it was a bit wasteful i'll admit.

Although if you have most of the day in between, and the original dose is small, hopefully it wouldnt affect your 2nd run too hard.. But I imagine with a long lasting chem some short term tolerance will be there. Albeit minor.
 
You know this aMT sounds pretty interesting - euphoric, entactogenic, euphonogenic :D, a friendly psychedelic, long lasting, but with a gentlish come down and possible mid to long term positive effects upon mood - and also cheap and legal (in the UK) - so why isn't it more popular? You'd think it would give the (slightly less legal) 2C's more of a run for their money?
 
Likely there are a few things slowing its popularity:

1. Scheduled in US, and the US does decide a lot of demand.
2. Many people do get sick on it and throw up.
3. Others need higher doses to achieve a good time, making it not as cheap as it seems.

Its good stuff but its got its negatives like everything else.
 
Is aMT in HCL form known to be stronger than the freebase?

I ask because I took a small tester dose of 10mg yesterday of a new delivery and it felt much stronger than 10mg of the freebase I had previously, actually if felt more like 25mg.

Plugged 10mg at 4pm, could feel tingles quite soon afterwards, mood uplift 1 hours later, pupils very dilated, lots of yawning.
AMT always makes me hungry and managed to eat no problem.
No desire to listen to music or increase in energy though.
Asleep by 1am.

One annoying thing about taking aMT is it makes me produse more saliva, anyone else get this?

Going to try a higher dose on Wednesday.
 
Maybe the HCl you got was more pure than the freebase you had before? By weight aMT freebase is more potent than aMT HCl. But many things could have influated it I guess. Set and setting play a role here.
 
khatman said:
Is aMT in HCL form known to be stronger than the freebase?

I ask because I took a small tester dose of 10mg yesterday of a new delivery and it felt much stronger than 10mg of the freebase I had previously, actually if felt more like 25mg.
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probably the salt is just better absorbed, because it is better water solvable?
 
Yes possibly, I did notice with the freebase that I could not get it to dissolve completely even with lemon juice added.
It was suspended in the water but I wondered how much would be absorbed when plugged.
 
How would you go about dissolving a known amount of aMT in water for liquid measurement?

-Would it keep well?
-Is there anything that needs to be done to the aMT before that can be done?
-What's in soluble in? I remember hearing something about forms of aMT not being easy to dissolve in water...

Some detailed instructions would help.
 
You have to know wether its freebase or a salt you have. Salts are soluble in water adn should keep fine if youre using demineralized/distilled water and keep the container airtight. You can add a few drops of vinegar or another non-toxic acid if you want to conserve it further, but thats probably overkill.

I wouldnt reccomend dissolving the freebase in anything as the solvents you need for this are either very toxic, expensive or a pain in the ass to work with.

You can convert the freebase to a salt by treating it with acid.
 
Hmm... maybe mix it with an equimolar amount of HCl (I take it you ony have access to HCl in solution), wait for some time for it all to have reacted. You now have a solution of aMT HCl. Be sure to check the pH before ingesting it!

I guess the water they dissolve HCl in is perfectly safe to ingest after all the acid has reacted, but I really dont know. The optimal way of doing this would be to dissolve your aMT freebase in some non polar solvent and then gas it with pure HCl so it precipitates, but that technique demands access to a lab and stuff.

Alternatively, I think you can buy 96% sulpuric acid in paint shops. That would also be good at the job, but 37% HCl is a bit safer to handle IMO.
 
feelgoodhit said:
How would you go about dissolving a known amount of aMT in water for liquid measurement?

-Would it keep well?
-Is there anything that needs to be done to the aMT before that can be done?
-What's in soluble in? I remember hearing something about forms of aMT not being easy to dissolve in water...

Some detailed instructions would help.
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Hey buddy, nice to see ya around.=D

first find out which form you have (its most likely freebase, but check just in case)
The HCL version goes into solution without any problem, i barely even had to stir.
To find out if yours is hcl or freebase just take a little amount (5-10mg) and throw it in some water. If it doesnt disolve and just stayes floating on top you got freebase.
If its freebase convert it to a slat and go about making a solution as you would with any other chem. (known amount of chemical in known amount of solution, etc)

You could use white vinegar as the solution (just like crackheads do when they want to inject crack (freebase cocaine) rather than smoke it)

Im not sure how well it would keep in solution. Tryptamine arent known for their longevity in solution (though that seems to be the case mostly for 4-ho/aco's)
 
My AMT kept fine when properly converted to HCL (i had freebase). It was in a sealed plastic cup, in a dark cabinet. Not sure if that matters though.

However, freebase AMT when put into tap water (at least, peruvian tap) was murdered within half an hour. I lost probably 75-80% of my amount in the 30 minutes it took to get the stuff to make it HCL.
 
I have some AMT I want to prepare a solution of for liquid measurement and this is the predicament I face:

Delsyd said:
Im not sure how well it would keep in solution.
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I have freebase AMT. I can either dissolve the freebase in 100% ethanol and use it like that or I can dossolve it in white vinegar to make a solution of AMT acetate.

The thing is; Which one will last longer?

Edit: I plan on taking a 5mg dose in the morning so i went ahead and did what i figured would be best; I dissolved it in vinegar to produce the bound salt form. I figured it would be more stable even though it was aqueous and not alcoholic. I noticed the solution in the vial i used lost a lot of it's vinegar smell after the AMT dissolved. It seems as it the AMT freebase neutralized a lot of the acetic acid; that would explain the lack of smell.
 
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Yeah, the acetate salt should be odorless. Id go for that choice as well. 100% ethanol is worse to use than 96% as 100% often has benzene added to make it 100%, so plese dont go for that. If you distill your alcohol to 100% it will dilute to 96 over time by itself. I guess storing it as the acetate in water solution is a good solution to the problem.

If you have a little surplus of the acetic acid it should keep fine for long time. Vinegar itself keeps well for several years.
 
Iodjini_dk said:
100% ethanol is worse to use than 96% as 100% often has benzene added to make it 100%, so plese dont go for that.
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Naw. It has an assay breakdown of impurities on the label. There is no benzene. And how would adding an impurity (benzene) make it more pure? ;)

If you have a little surplus of the acetic acid it should keep fine for long time. Vinegar itself keeps well for several years.
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That's what I thought. I think most of the acetic acid neutralized though. There is barely nay vinegar smell left. The freebase AMT took a lot of it up.
 
Would there be any downside (as in the longevity of AMT) to accidentally adding a little more vinegar than necessary? Personally, I like the taste of vinegar so long as it is not harsh enough to hurt my throat.

Also, is it more effective to take an alkaloid salt sublingually than its freebase?
 
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