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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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PepperSocks said:
Naw. It has an assay breakdown of impurities on the label. There is no benzene. And how would adding an impurity (benzene) make it more pure? ;)



That's what I thought. I think most of the acetic acid neutralized though. There is barely nay vinegar smell left. The freebase AMT took a lot of it up.
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Well, ethanol forms an azeotrope with water and thus cant be distilled higher than 96% ethanol. To make 100% pure ethanol they often add bezene with forms an azeotrope with ethanol and water. This azeotrope has a lower BP than the water/ethanol azeotrope and can be distilled off. But this leaves a little residue of benzene behind which is pretty toxic. So technically its not 100%, but for that matter there is no such thing as 100% ethanol.

There are other ways of doing this however, so I guess your ethanol is a bid different from the usual 99,99% from the lab :)

Would there be any downside (as in the longevity of AMT) to accidentally adding a little more vinegar than necessary? Personally, I like the taste of vinegar so long as it is not harsh enough to hurt my throat.

Also, is it more effective to take an alkaloid salt sublingually than its freebase?
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I think it would be a good idea adding extra vinegar. It consrvates your solution much better if theres a bit of surplus acetic acid.

I dont think it would matter whether the alkaloid youre referring to is salt or freebase. You have plenty of HCl in your stomach, so its gonna be converted to the alkaloid salt under all circumstances.
 
I don't think it would be good to use more vinegar. I think a 10mg/mL solution is a good number.

What are the thoughts on stability; More stable at acidic pH or more stable at neutral pH?

The acidic pH would keep things from growing in the liquid but wouldn't it be potentially more reactive for the chemical?
 
PepperSocks said:
I have some AMT I want to prepare a solution of for liquid measurement and this is the predicament I face:



I have freebase AMT. I can either dissolve the freebase in 100% ethanol and use it like that or I can dossolve it in white vinegar to make a solution of AMT acetate.

The thing is; Which one will last longer?

Edit: I plan on taking a 5mg dose in the morning so i went ahead and did what i figured would be best; I dissolved it in vinegar to produce the bound salt form. I figured it would be more stable even though it was aqueous and not alcoholic. I noticed the solution in the vial i used lost a lot of it's vinegar smell after the AMT dissolved. It seems as it the AMT freebase neutralized a lot of the acetic acid; that would explain the lack of smell.
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I would say that the salt form would last longer and is more stable.

I don't know if you can compare what turning it into AMT acetate will do to the potency if you're only taking 5mg, but if you ever take a bigger dose, a report back on any loss of potency (minus the fact that the salt will weigh more than the freebase) would be awesome, as I've been wondering this myself.
 
I didn't measure it like that.

I just put 100mg of AMT freebase into a vial and added 10mL of vinegar. Because the AMT molecules do take up a little bit of space the volume will be slightly higher than 10mL. I just use a 1cc needle-less syringe to measure the 1/10ths of a cc for an approximate milligram dose.
 
PepperSocks said:
I didn't measure it like that.

I just put 100mg of AMT freebase into a vial and added 10mL of vinegar. Because the AMT molecules do take up a little bit of space the volume will be slightly higher than 10mL. I just use a 1cc needle-less syringe to measure the 1/10ths of a cc for an approximate milligram dose.
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I would rather take a drug sublingually or orally than intravenously, but out of curiosity, has anyone tried injecting AMT intravenously?
 
What factors influence the nausea it has been notorious for for so long?

Is the stomache supposed to be empty? Is stomache and/or sample pH a factor (I heard freebase is much nastier in this respect so a little excess of acid - not lsd but H3O+ ... should help?)
Due to the flavor Id rather not take it sublingually but rectal might be a good way for the body.. not the first time though. Might I try a mg or 10 in the morrow? We'll see.
 
Rectal supposedly has much less nausea. It also comes up faster and doesn't last the long haul like oral does.

I quite like oral dosing though; much much better than vaporization. Vaporization doesn't make one trip; it's just a crappy stimulant without much euphoria.

Oral dosing takes a long time to come on but the high is so amazing :) <3

As for oral; try 4-5mg for starters. Most people aren't the crazy lightweight I am but 5mg had me feeling a bit crappy; but that could have been the benzo rebound anxiety I was having at the time.

3mg oral the next day was one of the most euphoric experiences I've had in a long time. Very reminiscent of MDMA but not in a rushed or speedy way. Very relaxed and euphoric with a pleasant body energy.
 
Except for the first time which I took orally I always administer rectally and do still get mild nausea and increased salivation which makes me gag from time to time.
A 50mg dose would last me 14 hours before I could sleep so it was best to take in the morning and hope I don't get any unexpected visitors :)
 
Hi there!
Anyone got an idea if the bio-avaibility, onset between rectally ROA and smoking is different? Also, what about the duration? I remember reading not-orally ROAs are shorter what I am aiming for, duration is too long for a 24h day.
I have already taken 2 x amt freebase orally (30-40 mg~) which was a very good experience despite its long duration (for me >12h main effects and slow uncomfortable coming down).
One time rectally 10 mg which only took 1,5h to act, but was a bit too much. Sadly didn't write down anything considering duration...

Regards.
 
Generally oral dosing takes the longest to come up and lasts the longest. Rectal is much quicker acting and doesn't last as long. I'm not sure about numbers for rectal I don't do it myself; I like oral dosing.

Smoking comes on fast. Like in 10 minutes and lasts about 6-8 hours. However the effects are very different. It has a kinda speedy, anxious energy to it.

My AMT solution described above seems to have turned a slight tinge of yellow. I was going to take 4mg but decided on 5 due to the slight degradation. I hope it isn't degraded too far. Next time I'm going to make it in 3mL batches instead of 10mL.

I'm also thinking of just dissolving the freebase is absolute ethanol. I wonder if that would be a more stable form.
 
I would probably avoid meph on AMT. I have combined it with MDMA and LSD with no problem but meph is some sketchy shit and the brevity, fiending, anxiety and paranoia (and shitty effects and side-effects) would ruin AMT for me. Could imagine 2C-C being interesting but not sure on the safety factor and it's also brief. 2C-C and meph (sans AMT) is a surprisingly okay combo though.

Pepper: Unlike many other drugs, rectal doses are pretty close to oral doses, I believe. Xorky is more the expert on that MOA though. I mostly smoke it and it's lasted up to (and even over) 24 hours on occasion. That was combined with MDMA and LSD, mind. Lasted a loooooooong time though. Suspect dose may play a role and also the mild MAOI effect combined with the MDMA/LSD maybe increased the duration to such an extent.
 
Well, ethanol forms an azeotrope with water and thus cant be distilled higher than 96% ethanol. To make 100% pure ethanol they often add bezene with forms an azeotrope with ethanol and water.
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Well AFAIK they add anhydrousmagnesium sulphate to remove the last traces of water. Adding a known carcinogen like benzene just seems stupid & dangerous

PS I've IMed AMT before - no benefits over rectal dosing and a lot more hazards (mostly surrounding the sterility issue)
 
Yeah, they have different techniques for purifiying it, but I think they all have good and bad components to them. Most pure ethanol for lab use is purified with benzene afaik. I could imagine the other method was to be preferred if the ethanol was ever gonna come near living things.
 
yellowed AMT

I got some AMT powder about 5 months ago. It was white when I got it. I did 35mg in September and loved it. I took a look at it today for the hell of it and it has turned yellow. I have stored it at room temperature in a Ziplock bag with no air under a stack of paper (where no light would get to it). Is is it safe/is it still AMT (has it undergone a chemical change)?
 
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pseudononamouse said:
I got some AMT powder about 5 months ago. It was white when I got it. I did 35mg in September and loved it. I took a look at it today for the hell of it and it has turned yellow. I have stored it at room temperature in a Ziplock bag with no air under a stack of paper (where no light would get to it). Is is it safe/is it still AMT (has it undergone a chemical change)?
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Whheell, back around the turn of the century I knew of ye olde RC vendor whose aMT was regularly off-white er yellowish. I reckon it was still your standard duty alphamethyltryptamine, though I do.
 
psood0nym said:
Whheell, back around the turn of the century I knew of ye olde RC vendor whose aMT was regularly off-white er yellowish. I reckon it was still your standard duty alphamethyltryptamine, though I do.
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I also found that this MSDS for AMT lists the appearance as "very slightly yellow" so I am thinking that my AMT is okay. I wonder what caused the color change though.
 
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