I agree that Tramadol hcl is nowhere near Kratom in the effects on the body. Just anecdotally it felt like it tingled a lot of the same receptors. I feel like Kratom is much easier on the system and as an added benefit doesn't carry the seizure risk, the same OD risk etc as Tramadol.
And Kratom doesn't change a person. Some one I know takes Tramadol 400 mg daily for year's and I saw somesort of coldness and aggression she never shown before. Could be circumstances but it made an impression on me.
When kicking tramadol hcl I would become extremely irritable. Not aggressive per say, but definitely more snappy at ppl.
Do you remeber how you were on it? My partner became cold and aggresive (psychological) on it.
I guess kind of detached and out of it like all opiods, maybe a little cold towards others. I wasn't aggressive or anything but had a quicker temper coming off of it or reducing my dosage substantially. I don't recall being outright aggressive.
She neither was outright aggresive. more like ice cold steel. Passive aggresion she allready had, just like her Mother, but it seemed to agrevate it.
Yeah, I can imagine Tramadol hcl just generally upping your irritability/passive-aggresiveness. I do still crave it from time to time, because I felt like it did kind of help my depression and helped me cope and synergized really well with hash. But it's a nasty addiction once it has it's hooks in you. I did them for 5 years straight and they were a stepping stone for shit like heroin for me. Had my first one at 14 and they were OTC in China so the supply was limitless.
It was when I lived there. All pharmacies would sell you it initially, then there was a minor clamp down I guess, then only some would sell you it. As I was leaving it just moved online and was even cheaper. I lived in China from 1990-2014 or so.
Damn I admire (and a little envy you too!) you so much! Very cool to hear that and very interesting especially because you experienced China's society during turbo development (Jiang and Hu eras! How cool...forget about it man!
) and Hong Kong (did you take some trips there in those years?) was still a British colony and in its full charm and it was just about to see its last few years as a movie powerhouse with Triads still retaining a strong hand over the Territory, truly historic times! And the Walled City was still there! Man truly fantastic years!
It's so fucking complicated/nuanced and there are a litany of dynamics both personally and governmentally. I am currently too fucked up to give you a cogent answer. But just hit me up and I will be happy to provide an answer. Pester me w/ a PM or something.Damn I admire (and a little envy you too!) you so much! Very cool to hear that and very interesting especially because you experienced China's society during turbo development (Jiang and Hu eras! How cool...forget about it man!
Can you share why you had so much luck to have lived there in those years? Also which city were you in?
90's and 00's China and Hong kong, years full of fast progress, huge business and immense change which are not talked about at all in the west but which would deserve epic movies and documentaries!
not true at all. nowhere near as good as oxy tho
It’s true for me and others that have said the same here. And you’re not going to tell me it isn’t. Consider yourself lucky it works for you.
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Fuck yeah^^
if your not a dopehead/pain pill addict, which im assuming you are (; with an insane tolerance, you will feel tramadol and I challenge you to find evidence against thatIt’s true for me and others that have said the same here. And you’re not going to tell me it isn’t. Consider yourself lucky it works for you.
People metabolize different drugs differently which bears on their efficacy.
People also perceive pain differently.
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Looking forward to a peer reviewed source from you showing that tramadol has significant efficacy in all humans.
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Shouldn't be any "harm" in it. Just might not be as effective.
