higherconciousness
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Yeah after about 50mg I didn’t experience as much as I was expecting, so perhaps this is a compromised batch.
☛ Official ☚ The Small & Handy 3-Fluoro-PCP Thread
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Yeah 50mg should be quite strong. Sounds like it might be 3-CL-PCP. I sent my sample in for testing I'll update when i get the results.
unodelacosa
Bluelighter
Idk, it sounds like @higherconciousness may have some dissociative cross-tolerance from taking memantine. It's also noteworthy he's on benzos and Lyrica – this could have a dampening effect on any 3-FL-PCP, which itself has limited recreational potential. Given the relative unfamiliarity of this compound, I think it's too soon to be as suspicious of such a close substitute; e.g.: 3-CL-PCP for 3-FL-PCP. I find them both to be a bit underwhelming compared to other dissos.
Fertile
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Well fast&bulbous was sure that the 2-F homologue of ketamine would be the most effective. Nice to see the move to lighter halogens. I would presume the LogP of this compound would be even higher than PCP and would hang around it the body for even longer.
It does seem to be ortho- and meta- substitutions that influence the action of PCP derivatives.
Of all the patents I've read (many, many, many), the MOST interesting detail I discovered was that the research team who patented ketamine had another patent issued that was specifically the 2-chloro-5-methoxy DERIVATIVE. That, I suggest, shows that the ortho- and meta- substitutions act on quite different sites. I have no idea what the advantages of 5-methoxy ketamine are, but rarely has a single compound been worth it's own patent. OK it seems to be around x2 the potency, which I suggest shows that the methoxy moiety of MXE overlays this... and I know MXE is the best of the class I've tried... but objectively, I'm not quite sure WHY.
So is the 3-F binding to the -MeO moiety of MXE? I don't know.
It does seem to be ortho- and meta- substitutions that influence the action of PCP derivatives.
Of all the patents I've read (many, many, many), the MOST interesting detail I discovered was that the research team who patented ketamine had another patent issued that was specifically the 2-chloro-5-methoxy DERIVATIVE. That, I suggest, shows that the ortho- and meta- substitutions act on quite different sites. I have no idea what the advantages of 5-methoxy ketamine are, but rarely has a single compound been worth it's own patent. OK it seems to be around x2 the potency, which I suggest shows that the methoxy moiety of MXE overlays this... and I know MXE is the best of the class I've tried... but objectively, I'm not quite sure WHY.
So is the 3-F binding to the -MeO moiety of MXE? I don't know.
higherconciousness
Bluelighter
My girlfriend that has no dissociative tolerance has tried upwards to 40mg and reported subtle effects. I just tried 55 mg with no benzos or lyrica over a hour ago and I’m not feeling much at all.
unodelacosa
Bluelighter
Damn, idk then. The stuff I have would have me absolutely focked up at those doses. I'm not sure what's the cause behind this, then. Weird. And I guess you're sure of your source and that the material is genuine? Hmpf, if you ever figure it out, please LMK
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higherconciousness
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I took 45 mg about 2 hours ago and it’s now just starting to kick in. Shouldn’t 3-fluoro-pcp have a faster onset?
Yeah you got 3-CL-PCP. Just like I did. Seems to be the same vendor.
Pisses me off. Plus, the sample i sent off never got to the place apparently, so I'm out $100 (you have you send cash, and I guess mine was visible through the envelope. Not sure im willing to waste another $100. Though maybe. Won't change the fact that I won't consume this stuff. Might as well apply the cost towards an order from a different vendor.
This stuff is definitely not the same stuff I had before. Same vendor had 3-CL-PCP in stock but abruptly removed it after it tested dirty on the GCMS. I think he's selling it as 3-F-PCP after the legit stock ran out. Sucks because he's been good historically speaking.
40mg of 3-F-PCP on a nontolerant person would get them fucked up and confused.
higherconciousness
Bluelighter
Yeah, she took almost 40 mg last night and didn’t feel much. I tried roughly 50 mg and felt a little bit. That’s disappointing, usually this guys stuff is pretty reliable and on point. Still gonna order some of his a-pihp. I enjoyed it more than I anticipated.
messianicResearch
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Just popping in here to say that I am absolutely in love with this chemical. I have found that even with a massive tolerance it has unparalleled antidepressant qualities when paired with dxm. My current dosing regimen looks something like 30mg dxm freebase with 10-20mg 3-fl-pcp orally every 12 hours. The effects are something akin to soma in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World —to me, it is the perfect drug. YMMV. Check out my trip report here for more info 
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unodelacosa
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That's how I felt about MXE until it disappeared. Hard to be perfect when it's no longer around and complicated to synthesize in the underground… Moral of the story? Stock up while you can. I wish I had stocked up on MXE while it was around, but I managed to stash some 3-HO-PCP anyway…Just popping in here to say that I am absolutely in love with this chemical. I have found that even with a massive tolerance it has unparalleled antidepressant qualities when paired with dxm. My current dosing regimen looks something like 30mg dxm freebase with 10-20mg 3-fl-pcp orally every 12 hours. The effects are something akin to soma in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World —to me, it is the perfect drug. YMMV. Check out my trip report here for more info
It also seems like 3-FL-PCP has some shaky sources for it on the market right now, as discussed in this thread, above. And you always ingest it orally? Have you tried sublingual and/or buccal administration at all with this drug?
messianicResearch
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Oh yes, I have used 3-fl-pcp extensively & via most roas. My preferred method is by nasal spray metered to ≈ 2mg per spray, but I am having difficulty getting recent batches to remain completely dissolved in saline solution; this probably has something to do with those shaky sources you mentioned. In fact, the quality does not quite hit the highs I seem to recall from around when it first appeared on the scene. I suppose I could do a little rinse but I am not much of a chemist or even a chef.
I digress — hence I have resorted to orally dosing a ≈ 20mg/ml saline suspension (which sadly clogs any nasal spray bottle I try to use it with, although I imagine the little clumps aren't great for my sinuses either — or dose precision, for that matter
c'est la vie). I also use the saline suspension for the occasional large nighttime intrarectal (boofed) dose in the 100-200mg range. I go into more detail about my use here.I think for my application the oral roa may be preferred anyway, though the fiend in me would rather insufflate. The mania is a little less in your face with oral doses. I shit you not, when I am on my daily dxm regimen & insufflating 3-fl-pcp I am so buoyant that it is not at all uncommon for me to wake from a deep slumber laughing uncontrollably at some hysterical dream I was having!
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messianicResearch
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Okay, I just went back & actually read the thread & saw the discussion about some batches actually being 3-cl-pcp & now I have to admit that I have had that same sneaking suspicion for most of the last year. I don’t want to stray too close to sourcing but I have a hunch that you are talking about that same US domestic vendor who is relatively easy to find & a little overpriced but has pretty strict opsec in place.
I never got around to getting some of it tested because I was in pretty dire straits for a while there but I am in a much better position now so I should probably make it a point to do that. When I rediscovered the magic that comes with a daily regimen of “therapeutic” doses of dxm mixed with low-dose pcx analogs I kind of forgot that the recent 3-fl-pcp hasn’t really been up to snuff.
I never got around to getting some of it tested because I was in pretty dire straits for a while there but I am in a much better position now so I should probably make it a point to do that. When I rediscovered the magic that comes with a daily regimen of “therapeutic” doses of dxm mixed with low-dose pcx analogs I kind of forgot that the recent 3-fl-pcp hasn’t really been up to snuff.
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Yeah sounds like the same place people are getting this bad stuff. I suspect its mixture of 3-CL and 3-FL.
Definitely not the same. I personally won't consume this new stuff, 3-CL-PCP appears to produce symptoms of serotonergic toxicity in significant number of users, increased body temperature, body aches, etc.
Not only that, but the batch in question has some sort of unidentified mystery poison in it (5% by weight) as well as some actual PCP in it as well (around 1%). Though 1% essentially constitutes trace quantities, at very high doses that little bit of PCP will likely influence the overall effect since PCP is actually a rather potent drug.
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messianicResearch
Bluelighter
It’s a shame & I hate to reward bad behavior but the US scene is so ragged these days I will take what I can get for now. They are consistent & predictable at least.
A little straight pcp sounds like a real treat to me tbh but that bit about the unidentified mystery poison is a little concerning. When I first started experimenting with this vendor’s batches I did notice some issues with pins & needles or numbness in the extremities after high doses but nothing that lingered or persisted & I haven’t had anything like that trouble me for months. Now I’m all concerned again though as I probably should be so I guess I’ll see if I can put a pin in things for now & see if I can dig up an alternative.
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cosmic charlie
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You need to stock up on FXE while its as cheap as it is right now, that stuff is fantastic. Its like a cross between Ketamine and MXE. My source that i get it from also has 3-F-PCP and they have always given me quality so im probably gonna stock up on that one eventually as well. But my main focus right now is on FXE because i like to hole more than anything, and im not gonna be able to do so with the 3-F-PCP.
messianicResearch
Bluelighter
I think fxe is alright but I find it to be a little too stimulating on the tail end. I like to take my hole doses late at night after everyone else is asleep & when I do that with fxe I tend to wind up pulling an all-nighter or something close to it which I am way too old to be doing with any kind of regularity.
It would probably be perfect for my smaller daytime doses if it had a little bit longer legs, but alas, it does not …
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SuperPsych
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I wish I had the willpower to stock up on FXE but alas, I do not. Each time I pick up 7g with the intent of having it around for some months, I just end up using like a gram or more a week until it's gone.
Something about FXE just makes me fiend more than other dissociatives. I do love FXE, I find the effects rather pleasant and easy to manage, and I've had some beautiful holes on it. I just wish it wasn't so addictive for me. At the very least my body reacts better to it thank K. FXE doesn't give me bladder issues until the end of my week or longer binge whereas ketamine gives me bladder discomfort from the first dose.
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unodelacosa
Bluelighter
That might be unsettling to witness, lol
No thanks; you do it. It's an okay drug, but it doesn't insufflate well, so it has some ROA issues. To me, it's like MXE's kid brother w/ADHD… But you know: different strokes for different folks and all.
Don't talk about it; be about it
"To hole" as a verb is funny.