☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

[RhythmSpring]

It's only ridiculous because you ridicule it.

It might put you in someone else's place and them in yours if you're not careful, though.

Sometimes it's a strange, winding road to arrive at yourself.

 

[JackARoe]

I remember many years ago getting that practical afterglow. I think we all suffer from degrees of everything. Including OCD. LIke we all have a little of that. After a Salvia session that goes away in me and makes no practical sense for a few days. Dale Pendell also said it nicely when he said they leaves work best when you are in a total funk and have no idea what to do. It always propels me past that.

One other aspect struck me and not sure I can articulate it. When I have my Spring or Fall acid or cactus trips sometimes I like nature. Go hiking, include pretty things in my trip in front of me to witness. So every Spring I like to take a trip when my cherry blossom is full on pink and look at it. Well I did not get a trip in in the Spring. But I did get a Salvia trip in and while I was in a dark and silent basement the fact that that tree even existed meant it was included in my trip. Can't explain that well.

One of these days I would like to try in light and maybe in the woods. Not sure what happens at that point. All my trips have been dark and silent settings except my very first 5x breakthrough. It was late afternoon and I was on my bed but I was so immersed I forgot where or what I was. It was funny, I had been trying to get something from plain leaf and nothing but little dizziness. Then I got frustrated and crammed in a large pinch of 5x. Too much. Took a hit and science fiction meets a drug. I heard a lady say "Ok well he has been trying to see what has been going on here all his life (meaning through trips) so let's show him". Then some smaller beings did that thing to reality but a definite female headed it up that time. That was when I almost got up, heard a lady whisper "Shhh lay back and stay put". Ever since then I can not get up off a couch if I am in a trance. Thankfully. Also ever since then plain leaf is plenty strong. Like it did lay down a pathway. Half a gram in a tobacco pipe totally immerses me. I don't what to say about people that get thrown out windows. Maybe a disrespect of that plane? Not sure.

Glad you did stop by RhythmSpring and Kaleida. It kicked off some Salvia discussion which seems lacking sometimes. If something can scare you and be difficult that it can also embrace you and give the total opposite feeling of ease and Love.

We should have put these in the Salvia thread. That thread never kicks up. I am going to save these posts. Some good ideas in them.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

in for a tough few weeks to get uni finished up. Honestly didnt realize how much the stress is impacting me till i got drunk.

My psychedelic tolerance is reversed now.

Life is the trip. Gonna be in a long hard grind to escape these shores of the second world shit hole we called NZ.

But life is good. I never had such a clear path ahead of me. I have a plan and i will exucute it to perfection and let no 1 come in-between me and IT.

 

[simstim]

I love salvia!! I was perfectly happy ordering plain leaf online before it became popular, before high potency extracts blew up, and before everybody and their brother was smoking it for crazy high, visionary experience rather than using it in a more ritualistic manor with a high safety margin.

I only tried 50x extract once and it's a different experience compared to plain leaf or even 10-15x extract.

Fuck the smoke shops for trying to commercialize on it. They're slowly ruining kratom the same way. Thankfully kratom isn't on the same level when abused.

Salvia was never meant for the masses, but commercialisation killed it for everybody.

 

[Kaleida]

It's only ridiculous because you ridicule it.

I don't know, it tends to give me a good chuckle.

Sometimes it's a strange, winding road to arrive at yourself.

I remember many years ago getting that practical afterglow. I think we all suffer from degrees of everything. Including OCD. LIke we all have a little of that. After a Salvia session that goes away in me and makes no practical sense for a few days. Dale Pendell also said it nicely when he said they leaves work best when you are in a total funk and have no idea what to do. It always propels me past that.

Totally get that. Even without having to accept any theories about what salvia's action is and means on a more complex level, it's easy to see pharmacologically that it basically works in some significant way as the opposite of standard rewarding addictive drugs, and seems like it causes a rebound into more natural stimulation as opposed to how stimulants cause a rebound into a lower level of activity than normal. That alone definitely seems like it could have an effect on OCD-related behaviors as well.

One other aspect struck me and not sure I can articulate it. When I have my Spring or Fall acid or cactus trips sometimes I like nature. Go hiking, include pretty things in my trip in front of me to witness. So every Spring I like to take a trip when my cherry blossom is full on pink and look at it. Well I did not get a trip in in the Spring. But I did get a Salvia trip in and while I was in a dark and silent basement the fact that that tree even existed meant it was included in my trip. Can't explain that well.

I'm not certain I can relate directly to what you experienced based just on this description, but it reminds me of an aspect of this type of dissociation that I have experienced many times. I think part of what salvia reveals is how an important aspect of the underlying workings of the brain, which I can again directly relate to natural dissociative conditions in meaningful ways, involves the brain's simulation of the physical world being formed in such a way that every single thing that can be conceived as an "object" separate from other objects to a human consciousness is wired to function in the same way as things that are explicitly obviously alive and need to be simulated by the brain as having a conscious perspective via theory of mind, which is to say, for example, I think the brain creates a node of information for simulating the consciousness and relationships of all the people and other animals you've ever encountered like instances of them that you meet in dreams, but it also contains the same kind of "consciousness" nodes for things like plants, rocks, clothing, furniture, drops of rain falling from the sky, spit as it's flying out of your mouth, and anything you can possibly think of that you can perceive as a physical mass separate from other physical masses, and I think that the extremely complex web of interconnected relationships between all of the different nodes of "consciousness" in the self, the others that are simulations of living things, and the others that are not all converge to create the totality of what you feel about yourself in relation to every single other thing that your brain has loaded in your perceptual environment at any given time.

I suspect that this setup for the simulated inner universe of the brain is likely an important aspect of the working of natural dissociation in that it allows the consciousness focused in the body and its equivalent node in the inner world to be shifted to a different perspective matching literally anything else that brain can possibly conceive of in its simulated world, allowing the mind to "escape" in a number of complex ways that can be manipulated in various ways that either help the mind move beyond the situation, simply remain dissociated and immobile until the stressor ends, or shift into a different behavioral mode that might be able to react to the situation in a way more efficient for survival, and I imagine that salvia, simply by chemically stimulating the same functional pathways involved in these brain activities, may cause its sensations of connections to and/or transformations into various other lifeforms or inanimate objects via this same theoretical inner setup.

One of these days I would like to try in light and maybe in the woods. Not sure what happens at that point. All my trips have been dark and silent settings except my very first 5x breakthrough. It was late afternoon and I was on my bed but I was so immersed I forgot where or what I was. It was funny, I had been trying to get something from plain leaf and nothing but little dizziness. Then I got frustrated and crammed in a large pinch of 5x. Too much. Took a hit and science fiction meets a drug. I heard a lady say "Ok well he has been trying to see what has been going on here all his life (meaning through trips) so let's show him". Then some smaller beings did that thing to reality but a definite female headed it up that time. That was when I almost got up, heard a lady whisper "Shhh lay back and stay put". Ever since then I can not get up off a couch if I am in a trance. Thankfully. Also ever since then plain leaf is plenty strong. Like it did lay down a pathway. Half a gram in a tobacco pipe totally immerses me. I don't what to say about people that get thrown out windows. Maybe a disrespect of that plane? Not sure.

I've been told to stay put on salvia as well. I never waited my turn and I was reprimanded for it.

Those crazy things happening to people are I imagine just them freaking out about what's happening to the point that their adrenaline is capable of totally overwhelming the heavy sedative-ish effects and probably makes the hallucinations even more intense. I'm sure those reactions are a lot fewer and further between than they seem and if you consider that some people seem to get deep and powerful effects from salvia from the very first time they used it (which seems worth noting because I know many more who did not) and the people in those videos often smoke high-strength extracts, I can imagine that every so often, you're going to get somehow who is naturally highly sensitive + smoking a hugely potent extract for their very first time = completely delirious and stimulated fear behaviors with a lack of proper sensory perception as they try to regain their sanity. I've seen a number of people freak out on salvia right in front of me too, sometimes doing things like flailing around on the ground and breaking the pipe they smoked it with, and usually they're just confused as hell about what's happening to them. One guy just wanted to be held while he shook all over looking terrified and claimed that with every shake back and forth he would completely thrust into a new alternate reality none of which ever actually contained him, and he had no idea what to do about it.

"Ok well he has been trying to see what has been going on here all his life (meaning through trips) so let's show him".

This relates to what I was saying before. I've come to mostly believe that the realm that salvia shows (or at least seems to often show, as it may do multiple things like any drug) is one that always exists as an underlying operation in the human brain, which just happens to only sometimes become more conscious for the consciousness that is controlling the body, and that it's inhabited by entities (who may or may not be conscious, which is a related but separate philosophical discussion, but regardless they act like they are) who are aware of this general lack of awareness by the consciousness of the body, and thus are responsible for the general repertoire of inner conversations that occur in relation to the core consciousness breaching this plane - recognizing whether or not you've done so before, responding differently depending, and so on.

Glad you did stop by RhythmSpring and Kaleida. It kicked off some Salvia discussion which seems lacking sometimes. If something can scare you and be difficult that it can also embrace you and give the total opposite feeling of ease and Love.

We should have put these in the Salvia thread. That thread never kicks up. I am going to save these posts. Some good ideas in them.

Happy to contribute. I'd definitely discuss things more in the salvia thread sometimes if it was ever active.

I love salvia!! I was perfectly happy ordering plain leaf online before it became popular, before high potency extracts blew up, and before everybody and their brother was smoking it for crazy high, visionary experience rather than using it in a more ritualistic manor with a high safety margin.

I only tried 50x extract once and it's a different experience compared to plain leaf or even 10-15x extract.

Fuck the smoke shops for trying to commercialize on it. They're slowly ruining kratom the same way. Thankfully kratom isn't on the same level when abused.

Salvia was never meant for the masses, but commercialisation killed it for everybody.

I'm always so afraid about kratom becoming illegal. It's the only opioid I ever care to use anymore.

High dosage salvia can be a worthwhile experience, but it often isn't for those who aren't prepared to make something out of it, which I think is probably most people who are first getting into it ever since it became more popularly known. It can also be useful for helping people who aren't getting worthwhile effects out of plain leaf, but might once they've become a bit more sensitized to the experience. I do wish people hadn't focused so much on just the craziness of the strong extracts though, or else it might still be something I could easily go to the store and buy to my heart's content.

 

[simstim]

I just got back from smoking a spice blunt with my neighbors and man the roaches are bad in their apartment. I thought they were bad in my apartment....

Maybe it's me but spice doesn't seem to be what it used to be. I used to trip out on one big hit of spice. Now I can hit it multiple times and not get anywhere close to that high. Maybe it's me??

My tolerance to everything is higher than normal these days for some reason.

 

[izo]

salvia was the only drug for which i didnt had any use ever. had a 5x extract first and then some plants made from some offshot, they grew like crazy but my parents took them after my place got raided.

 

[Just A Guy]

Have you guys ever been really attracted to a woman's personality but not her body?

I just saw a full body pic of this woman I've been talking to for the first time and.... Well.... She's not really my type.

I have no business being picky though. I've tried to date women I wasn't that attracted to physically before though and it didn't work out too well.

Honestly I've never slept with a big girl, or even a thick girl unless I was drunk. I like this one's personality a whole lot though.

Also she seems willing to overlook pretty much all my flaws. Did I hit the jackpot for female companionship and I'm just too biased against bigger girls to admit it?

I'm a skinny guy from a family of skinny people.

It would not be my first time trying larger women but it's a serious hangup for me. I've always been drunk.

I'm thinking about trying this one for real. We've had so much fun chatting.

Anyone had success with someone they weren't initially attracted to sexually? She excited me sexually earlier when we were discussing sex but not so much when I see her photo.

I mean I've done it before with women that I'm ashamed of and she looks better than some of them. I was always drunk though.

For five years I dated a woman who was obese. I've always been pretty fit, thanks to my metabolism and level of activity. She's the most generous person I've ever met, with a loving personality, and very eager in bed. We broke up over things that I would have probably been able to overlook would she have been more appealing to my apparently shallow ideals.

I've been single ever since, but I'm cool with it. Wouldn't turn down any sexy chicas for flings, though.

It all depends on you, man. Experience has taught me that, for me anyway, if a relationship is destined to last forever, she's got to be physically attractive as well.

 

[telepathetic]

I just got back from smoking a spice blunt with my neighbors and man the roaches are bad in their apartment. I thought they were bad in my apartment....

Maybe it's me but spice doesn't seem to be what it used to be. I used to trip out on one big hit of spice. Now I can hit it multiple times and not get anywhere close to that high. Maybe it's me??

My tolerance to everything is higher than normal these days for some reason.

I hit one in skid row in LA for some reason and indeed it is much weaker than the stuff they used to sell at the shops. Probably because the type of cannabinoids in there now are the type to make you bleed from the ears and eyes in high doses.

Unless you mean a dmt blunt. I've smoked a few of those

 

[simstim]

For five years I dated a woman who was obese. I've always been pretty fit, thanks to my metabolism and level of activity. She's the most generous person I've ever met, with a loving personality, and very eager in bed. We broke up over things that I would have probably been able to overlook would she have been more appealing to my apparently shallow ideals.

I've been single ever since, but I'm cool with it. Wouldn't turn down any sexy chicas for flings, though.

It all depends on you, man. Experience has taught me that, for me anyway, if a relationship is destined to last forever, she's got to be physically attractive as well.

Thanks for you're reply.

I've really cut back on messaging her. I don't plan on sending her anymore sexually explicit music either.

She likes country music and I was drinking the other day and sent her this


Which sparked a discussion about sex.

I tried dating an obese woman once. Things were good in bed and everything but I ended up breaking things off because she wanted a kid with me within the first couple weeks. I couldn't imagine that so I called it off.

I was staying in a tent at a campground at the time and she was going to let me move into her three bedroom apartment with her, her sister, her daughter, her niece, her nephew, nephews wife, nephews kid, and two neighborhood kids that stayed there (8 or 9 people already).

I think this woman I was talking to recently would be that way too. She wasn't scared off by anything. I told her I didn't have a driver's license, that I used psychedelics, MDMA, and marijuana, I sent her crazy rap music, all kinds of craziness and she was down.

if she wasn't 10 years older and on the heavy side I would've thought she was the perfect woman, but it's probably not fair to her for me to lead her on.

 

[Just A Guy]

Thanks for you're reply.

I've really cut back on messaging her. I don't plan on sending her anymore sexually explicit music either.

She likes country music and I was drinking the other day and sent her this


Which sparked a discussion about sex.

I tried dating an obese woman once. Things were good in bed and everything but I ended up breaking things off because she wanted a kid with me within the first couple weeks. I couldn't imagine that so I called it off.

I was staying in a tent at a campground at the time and she was going to let me move into her three bedroom apartment with her, her sister, her daughter, her niece, her nephew, nephews wife, nephews kid, and two neighborhood kids that stayed there (8 or 9 people already).

I think this woman I was talking to recently would be that way too. She wasn't scared off by anything. I told her I didn't have a driver's license, that I used psychedelics, MDMA, and marijuana, I sent her crazy rap music, all kinds of craziness and she was down.

if she wasn't 10 years older and on the heavy side I would've thought she was the perfect woman, but it's probably not fair to her for me to lead her on.

That last sentence resonates with me, because the woman I spoke of earlier is a really good person who I shared a lot of good times with, and I know that her heart was (is?) broken. Like you were talking about, I introduced her (responsibly, in the best ways I know how) to psychedelics, and in extreme moderation, stimulants like MDMA and 4-FA. I let things go fast and invited her passion for our relationship to carry me away; I think it would have been better (maybe, maybe not -- she's a mature woman, 8 years older than I, and I'm pretty mature at heart) if I'd not let things get so far in the first place.

What's worse, she'd become close (she's a good person, as I said) with my daughter, and after two breakups (where she managed to pull be back in, because I felt guilty) the third required a complete shut out in order to make it stick. We're still Facebook friends, and she's emailed me a few times over non-relationship stuff, but that's as far as it will ever get again.

In retrospect, I was her boy-toy, but she was quite smitten, and we discussed marriage for years, but it was that subject that created the discomfort and turmoil that finally set me (us?) free.

To echo others' sentiments: just keep things in the friend zone and all should be fine. Peace & good luck!

 

[Xorkoth]

I just got back from smoking a spice blunt with my neighbors and man the roaches are bad in their apartment. I thought they were bad in my apartment....

Maybe it's me but spice doesn't seem to be what it used to be. I used to trip out on one big hit of spice. Now I can hit it multiple times and not get anywhere close to that high. Maybe it's me??

My tolerance to everything is higher than normal these days for some reason.

I think it's because "spice"isn't one compound, it is whatever random blend of synthetic noids happen to ;be available. There are literally hundreds of synthetic cannabinoids, many of the new generation are sketchy as fuck too, some of them have caused overdose deaths and seizures, and full-on withdrawal symptoms, due to being extremely powerful full agonists at CB1. I wouldn't touch that shit with a 10 foot pole, honestly.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

every smoke soo much weed you pass out and still wake up 9 hours later feeling out of it lol

 

[AutoTripper]

I took a lot of acid guys. I'm asking myself if too much exists, as long as there is no real problem right?

Because I could take more. But I don't want to be reckless.

 

[JackARoe]

I took a lot of acid guys. I'm asking myself if too much exists, as long as there is no real problem right?

Because I could take more. But I don't want to be reckless.

You know I myself may have been reckless when I say to some of you that if you do it too much too often the only thing that will happen is you will get bored of that. But now I see on BL some people really did have some mental issues that needed tending too. But I still believe if you have your head on straight it will just become boring. And even some of the BL'ers that had issues seem grounded now. I mean I see people at my work that never took acid and are nuts!! And some people here that had issues still seem much more sane than some of my neighbors.
Also the intent means a lot.

I usually look to some of the older guys that did/do a lot of psychdelics still. Look at Bill Kreutzmann one of the drummers for the Grateful Dead. That guy is in his 70's and still takes stuff even sometimes to perform. And we are talking over 55 + years of fairly heavy use. So I take that happy go lucky attitude. But I also know you like Syd Barrett too Autotripper. But I think in that instance there was deeper issues probably exacerbated by and not caused by psychedelics.

So all I am trying to say is enjoy yourself. I have a lot of faith in you AT. My only advice is never create any definitive belief systems when ideas come up. Let them come up but don't stick to any of them. (The Hari Krishna's in the airport for instance stuck to a belief system). But I promise as you get older you won't trip this much. There seems to be a lot less time for that. Each one has to be cherry picked for a good set and setting.

 

[AutoTripper]

You know I myself may have been reckless when I say to some of you that if you do it too much too often the only thing that will happen is you will get bored of that. But now I see on BL some people really did have some mental issues that needed tending too. But I still believe if you have your head on straight it will just become boring. And even some of the BL'ers that had issues seem grounded now. I mean I see people at my work that never took acid and are nuts!! And some people here that had issues still seem much more sane than some of my neighbors.
Also the intent means a lot.

I usually look to some of the older guys that did/do a lot of psychdelics still. Look at Bill Kreutzmann one of the drummers for the Grateful Dead. That guy is in his 70's and still takes stuff even sometimes to perform. And we are talking over 55 + years of fairly heavy use. So I take that happy go lucky attitude. But I also know you like Syd Barrett too Autotripper. But I think in that instance there was deeper issues probably exacerbated by and not caused by psychedelics.

So all I am trying to say is enjoy yourself. I have a lot of faith in you AT. My only advice is never create any definitive belief systems when ideas come up. Let them come up but don't stick to any of them. (The Hari Krishna's in the airport for instance stuck to a belief system). But I promise as you get older you won't trip this much. There seems to be a lot less time for that. Each one has to be cherry picked for a good set and setting.

Thanks man. I hear you fully. And on that though, I really am alright.

Barrett lost his mind, but not entirely as it seemed.

I reckon after some neurosis mania he was actually pretty damned well alright.

Now me, I cannot lose my mind.

I'll "lose my head" all year long.

I've really no fears there.

I'm just curious, how much is considered....or just mind over matter?

At 1500 mics with 450 plugged. In my mind, that isn't too much you see.

But it's wild usage right?

Thanks for your thiughts man.

I never need "help". I just need to connect.

 

[telepathetic]

every smoke soo much weed you pass out and still wake up 9 hours later feeling out of it lol

Let mentakentnis tike t[,#@_; fu.

But yes ifni est it.

 

[AutoTripper]

Well to make things interesting now why not hey come this far....

I just ate an extra 500 mics.

2 mg's now.

I have thiugh, twice taken 5 mg's in 48 hours, both occasiins honestly been physically, emotionally, better than, notbever, just, Better!

Lol.

Why compare better? Let's just have it.

So, this one, really drew my attention as a 15 think, to the allure of ecstasy.

Brian Harvey really sells it. I like Brian Harvey a lot. He is a real guy.

My own favorite Christmas song.

Not even but then also the fact that this tune went out UK Xmas No 1, 95(?) No 1.

Kids were privvy.

These guys were in real ecstasy bliss lol.

No HR. I think this is a wicked track though.

 

[Xorkoth]

You know I myself may have been reckless when I say to some of you that if you do it too much too often the only thing that will happen is you will get bored of that. But now I see on BL some people really did have some mental issues that needed tending too. But I still believe if you have your head on straight it will just become boring. And even some of the BL'ers that had issues seem grounded now. I mean I see people at my work that never took acid and are nuts!! And some people here that had issues still seem much more sane than some of my neighbors.
Also the intent means a lot.

I usually look to some of the older guys that did/do a lot of psychdelics still. Look at Bill Kreutzmann one of the drummers for the Grateful Dead. That guy is in his 70's and still takes stuff even sometimes to perform. And we are talking over 55 + years of fairly heavy use. So I take that happy go lucky attitude. But I also know you like Syd Barrett too Autotripper. But I think in that instance there was deeper issues probably exacerbated by and not caused by psychedelics.

So all I am trying to say is enjoy yourself. I have a lot of faith in you AT. My only advice is never create any definitive belief systems when ideas come up. Let them come up but don't stick to any of them. (The Hari Krishna's in the airport for instance stuck to a belief system). But I promise as you get older you won't trip this much. There seems to be a lot less time for that. Each one has to be cherry picked for a good set and setting.

I went through a few years of tripping roughly 3 times a week, sometimes every day for a week, rarely a break. Eventually I became very sleep deprived which fucked me up for a while, but I also got bored with it, it started to just feel normal, not as much as weed does when you do it every day, but similar in that it wasn't really producing anything noteworthy anymore. I took a 3 year break, I tried to trip after 1 year one time but my tolerance was still so massive that it didn't really work. At that point I was afraid I had ruined psychedelics forever, but when I started tripping again after 3 years I found I could trip again, finally. Ever since then I have not felt like tripping very often, but I love it and it's special again now.

On the other hand some people have psychotic breaks and such. But it seems like you probably already would have so not sure I'm too worried about that for you, AutoTripper. I suspect at some point you may destroy the novelty for a while, but that's the point at which you would probably just naturally want to take a break and adjust your usage patterns.

 

[AutoTripper]

I went through a few years of tripping roughly 3 times a week, sometimes every day for a week, rarely a break. Eventually I became very sleep deprived which fucked me up for a while, but I also got bored with it, it started to just feel normal, not as much as weed does when you do it every day, but similar in that it wasn't really producing anything noteworthy anymore. I took a 3 year break, I tried to trip after 1 year one time but my tolerance was still so massive that it didn't really work. At that point I was afraid I had ruined psychedelics forever, but when I started tripping again after 3 years I found I could trip again, finally. Ever since then I have not felt like tripping very often, but I love it and it's special again now.

On the other hand some people have psychotic breaks and such. But it seems like you probably already would have so not sure I'm too worried about that for you, AutoTripper. I suspect at some point you may destroy the novelty for a while, but that's the point at which you would probably just naturally want to take a break and adjust your usage patterns.

Thanks man, your thoughts do interest and assist me always.

And yes. I am alright. I've done this forever. I've not lost any memory, skill, no confidence issues.

I'm really lucky.

But my focus alas is simply physical healing, restoration, or pure consciousness.

Now, I THOUGHT I had a point...but I am tripping an awful amount (not- awful, but awfully good lol)

But....I am not bored! How can you be bored in this world?

It's unlucky that lol.

If zero Acid next week....fine! Or, live for today.

I have a shit load of tabs here.

What for? For me lol.