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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

yeah ZB unfortunately our @Ganjcat has a lot to learn and none of it is good.

i really wish he'd take on board what we're all saying that you shouldn't be fucking with this shit and do literally everything to stop before you wake up one day and your youth is gone, your life is boring as shit score/graft/score/repeat ad nauseam and any fun aspect is just gone but you can't get out.

and yeah, tbh withdrawal was a walk in the park for me in comparison to when your brain starts processing all the shite that happened while you were using that you never processed. i was in tears for days at a time and every time i'd get a brief respite some more shit would come up, so even if i wasn't in tears i never believed it would end. and mourning mates years after they died cos you were too smacked out your face at the time to care is just weird. i dunno how i got through that clean.

anyway, some good news- at some point in the next week i think i'll be hitting my year anniversary from heroin and crack. i don't remember the dates exactly cos that period was a bit hazy. but i haven't even wanted dark.

i never thought i'd get a year without wanting dark. it was heartbreaking to let go but its good to be free.
 
Everyone on this page must still be smoking smack or doing crack the shit your coming out with one day you will look back and thing hey that kid ganjcat actually had a point
 
Ganjcat, are you okay?

Please don't take Zoppy's comments to heart. This is a peaceful forum full of support. Have you ever considered sub? Sub is ace. I actually prefer it to codeine, and I lpved codeine.

Please let us know you've calmed down. All this conflict isn't good for you. We're here to help. :)
 
If a wasp is flying near you the best course of action is to ignore it
 
@Ganjcat my intention was to cut through the vitriol to what i interpreted as the intention behind ZB's post. he is pretty brash with everyone and i didn't know he's layed into you repeatedly, so ZB calm down a bit with that please!!

i have to say, i know he started it, but your post was about the same level. so try to be the change you want to see. i don't think he romanticises the junkie lifsetyle, he makes it clear that its not worth it and tries to warn people off it, including you.

it is clear you are in a dire situation and have had a hard time of it. i don't want you to leave, you clearly get support and understanding on here. i will reiterate that you do at times come across as quite naive about your situation, and that is concerning because from that position it is easy for things to get a lot worse and none of us want to see that happen.

i've been a naive idiot and payed the price. lifers can sniff out green kids and will circle like vultures waiting for an opportunity to feast on your downfall. and the whole time you'll think they're your friends.

i hope that makes sense, if you disagree with my interpretation then please feel free to PM me.
 
chinup said:
@Ganjcat my intention was to cut through the vitriol to what i interpreted as the intention behind ZB's post. he is pretty brash with everyone and i didn't know he's layed into you repeatedly, so ZB calm down a bit with that please!!

i have to say, i know he started it, but your post was about the same level. so try to be the change you want to see. i don't think he romanticises the junkie lifsetyle, he makes it clear that its not worth it and tries to warn people off it, including you.

it is clear you are in a dire situation and have had a hard time of it. i don't want you to leave, you clearly get support and understanding on here. i will reiterate that you do at times come across as quite naive about your situation, and that is concerning because from that position it is easy for things to get a lot worse and none of us want to see that happen.

i've been a naive idiot and payed the price. lifers can sniff out green kids and will circle like vultures waiting for an opportunity to feast on your downfall. and the whole time you'll think they're your friends.

i hope that makes sense, if you disagree with my interpretation then please feel free to PM me.
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Hear, hear.

Christ, we were all naive back in the day, this is why we ended up in a position to warn others about doing the same.

But when it comes to opiates, wise words fall on deaf ears...
 
chinup said:
@Ganjcat my intention was to cut through the vitriol to what i interpreted as the intention behind ZB's post. he is pretty brash with everyone and i didn't know he's layed into you repeatedly, so ZB calm down a bit with that please!!

i have to say, i know he started it, but your post was about the same level. so try to be the change you want to see. i don't think he romanticises the junkie lifsetyle, he makes it clear that its not worth it and tries to warn people off it, including you.

it is clear you are in a dire situation and have had a hard time of it. i don't want you to leave, you clearly get support and understanding on here. i will reiterate that you do at times come across as quite naive about your situation, and that is concerning because from that position it is easy for things to get a lot worse and none of us want to see that happen.

i've been a naive idiot and payed the price. lifers can sniff out green kids and will circle like vultures waiting for an opportunity to feast on your downfall. and the whole time you'll think they're your friends.

i hope that makes sense, if you disagree with my interpretation then please feel free to PM me.
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And chin up you obviously have not been following me if you had you would know I've been going more and more days without heroin trying to quit because I don't want to end up like my dad did ok also why do you think I got on methadone and you talking to me like I've only been on heroin for a week which leads me to another thing and yet another lie from zb (the horses mouth himself)

I NEVER TRIED HERION I CHANGED TO IT SO I DIDNT GET SICK FROM 3000 MGS OF CODEINE DAILY WHICH COMBINED with heroin is nearly 8 years I've been using opiates daily 8 years and you just talking to me like you know Mr when you don't you really don't chin up just do me a favour please and leave me alone
 
Ganjcat said:
And chin up you obviously have not been following me if you had you would know I've been going more and more days without heroin trying to quit because I don't want to end up like my dad did ok also why do you think I got on methadone and you talking to me like I've only been on heroin for a week which leads me to another thing and yet another lie from zb (the horses mouth himself)

I NEVER TRIED HERION I CHANGED TO IT SO I DIDNT GET SICK FROM 3000 MGS OF CODEINE DAILY WHICH COMBINED with heroin is nearly 8 years I've been using opiates daily 8 years and you just talking to me like you know Mr when you don't you really don't chin up just do me a favour please and leave me alone
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i have seen you getting days clean. and then the next post you're scoring and completely blase about it. repeatedly. that is concerning. i am not talking to you like you've only been on it a week, i know you're in/have been in a homeless hostel and are on methadone so i know you aren't a week in, which tbh makes the naivety of some of your posts even more concerning.

you could learn off the people who got out of this hell. but ok, i'll leave you alone. you're right, i don't know you. irritatingly despite that i actually care so its hard to watch.
 
Looks like zopiclone just IDed himself



Wish you both the best. Ganja if you can manage 9 days you can manage a month, year etc if you want it enough. I found that turning the biggest reason I wanted to stop into a mantra was helpful as it can be easy to forget once things have improved and the little voice pipes up with bad suggestions.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
How do you fill up your time?
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I DON'T. That's the wrong approach.

'Filling up' implies you're frantically looking for things to do in order to allow yourself no time to do drugs. Well if doing drugs is still your automatic mental screen saver that pops up the minute you're not running a programme, ie are engaged in some other activity, then you still have the same level of lattachment to them, in which case you need to work out why that is. There's an in-built fatal flaw to the whole concept of 'replacement' or 'distraction' or whatever, BECAUSE IT KEEPS YOUR FOCUS ON THE DRUGS.

'The opposite of addiction is diversification'. In the process of getting addicted you develop this single - focus tunnel vision and everything else you used to do and enjoy gradually falls by the wayside. Getting yourself 'un-addicted' is the exact reverse process.

For me it involved re - discovering my passion for photography, getting to enjoy a good sex life again (as heavy opiate use kinda buggers your libido), doing proper cooking and finding out not only do I have tremendous fun with it but am also bloody good at it!, I have time to read and write, go hiking and swimming...
The point here is that I'm doing all of these things FOR THEIR OWN SAKE.
Because I find them rewarding. Not because I think doing them somehow prevents me from using. I take photographs because I want to be taking the photographs, not instead - of - dope. That's the crucial difference.

PS I still use, on average twice a week.
And no I' m not in fact fighting daily urges to do it every day because I genuinely don't WANT to be doing it every day. You'd literally have to tie me down and forcibly inject me if you wanted me to go back to multiple times daily. My entire motivation for using has changed and I have zero desire to be constantly intoxicated, whereas at one time I felt like I NEEDED to be or life was unbearable. That's another crucial difference.
 
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The UltimateFixx said:
I DON'T. That's the wrong approach.

'Filling up' implies you're frantically looking for things to do in order to allow yourself no time to do drugs. Well if doing drugs is still your automatic mental screen saver that pops up the minute you're not running a programme, ie are engaged in some other activity, then you still have the same level of lattachment to them, in which case you need to work out why that is. There's an in-built fatal flaw to the whole concept of 'replacement' or 'distraction' or whatever, BECAUSE IT KEEPS YOUR FOCUS ON THE DRUGS.

'The opposite of addiction is diversification'. In the process of getting addicted you develop this single - focus tunnel vision and everything else you used to do and enjoy gradually falls by the wayside. Getting yourself 'un-addicted' is the exact reverse process.

For me it involved re - discovering my passion for photography, getting to enjoy a good sex life again (as heavy opiate use kinda buggers your libido), doing proper cooking and finding out not only do I have tremendous fun with it but am also bloody good at it!, I have time to read and write, go hiking and swimming...
The point here is that I'm doing all of these things FOR THEIR OWN SAKE.
Because I find them rewarding. Not because I think doing them somehow prevents me from using. I take photographs because I want to be taking the photographs, not instead - of - dope. That's the crucial difference.

PS I still use, on average twice a week.
And no I' m not in fact fighting daily urges to do it every day because I genuinely don't WANT to be doing it every day. You'd literally have to tie me down and forcibly inject me if you wanted me to go back to multiple times daily. My entire motivation for using has changed and I have zero desire to be constantly intoxicated, whereas at one time I felt like I NEEDED to be or life was unbearable. That's another crucial difference.
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I used the day before yesterday and today I might get some I've had bad toothache though
 
Sorry folks, but I've just had to do some work and delete a bunch of posts between @Zopiclone bandit and @Ganjcat as well as other posts that have quoted them, so I'm not happy - making me do shit.

It's nothing personal to any of you, but we're all in this together. Posting advice, having a laugh and general piss taking is fine, but when it comes to personal attacks something has to be done. I know we all get off our tits and say things we maybe shouldn't have, I'm as guilty as the next man and have had many posts deleted by other mods for being a pissed up cunt. Hell, I called another member 'a fuckin nonce' in SLR the other week and had my post promptly removed (and rightly so).

I'm not fond of issuing warnings for these incidents because they usually blow over quite quickly and harmony is restored.

But any prolonged personal attacks will have to be dealt with accordingly so please can we avoid this situation in future?


Thanks all,


As you were, you cunts...
 
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