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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

The UltimateFixx said:
This is exactly 0% strange, since it stands to reason that when you develop a high tolerance to a drug, you develop a tolerance to ALL of its effects, not just to a few selectively
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Yeh, that's actually a fair point. Though the even stranger thing I found about addiction to opiates was they would often make my toothpain worse.

Since I stopped heroin and methadone, I don't get any teeth problems at all - even though I've never had them fixed.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yeh, that's actually a fair point. Though the even stranger thing I found about addiction to opiates was they would often make my toothpain worse.

Since I stopped heroin and methadone, I don't get any teeth problems at all - even though I've never had them fixed.
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Ah, this actually happens with non-opiate painkillers AS WELL.
Basically any prolonged use of any type of pain medication carries the risk of at some point paradoxically causing a reverse effect.
 
The UltimateFixx said:
Ah, this actually happens with non-opiate painkillers AS WELL.
Basically any prolonged use of any type of pain medication carries the risk of at some point paradoxically causing a reverse effect.
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That's true enough. Probably why I fall asleep on MDMA and speed yet get a buzz from the Astra-zeneca vaccine...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
That's true enough. Probably why I fall asleep on MDMA and speed yet get a buzz from the Astra-zeneca vaccine...
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Any interaction of any chemical with the brain is extremely individual and complex and still not completely understood.
For instance SSRIs work wonders for some people with depression. I got prescribed fluoxetine one time and went from clinically depressed to actively suicidal as soon as I started taking it. Needless to say this 'treatment' was NOT continued xd
 
The UltimateFixx said:
This is exactly 0% strange, since it stands to reason that when you develop a high tolerance to a drug, you develop a tolerance to ALL of its effects, not just to a few selectively.
ie need more to get high, need more to get pain relief
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Even with the tolerance I have 5 X paraceatomal tabs combined with 2 X ibuprofen tabs and 2-4 30mgs codeines always does the trick I was in such bad pain though that I didn't have the energy to reach for the painkillers
 
Ganjcat said:
Even with the tolerance I have 5 X paraceatomal tabs combined with 2 X ibuprofen tabs and 2-4 30mgs codeines always does the trick I was in such bad pain though that I didn't have the energy to reach for the painkillers
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Not saying it NEVER works. I was hospitalised for acute pancreatitis caused by migrating gallstones back in 2014, a time when I was still fully heroin - dependent ; I was in tremendous pain but high doses of morphine + tramadol sorted that out nicely
 
Ganjcat said:
For real?
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heck my first dose caused me to feel somewhat drifting and light - headed, like about the same you feel after a couple beers. I also later that day ran a temperature and felt somewhat sick for about 12 hrs.
Second dose, neither effect
 
The UltimateFixx said:
heck my first dose caused me to feel somewhat drifting and light - headed, like about the same you feel after a couple beers. I also later that day ran a temperature and felt somewhat sick for about 12 hrs.
Second dose, neither effect
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Damn wtf do they put in those things
 
Ganjcat said:
Damn wtf do they put in those things
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Nothing psychoactive. Xd
.. It's just that your immune system can react strongly to an initial administration of something unfamiliar, and this is usually actually a good thing. The stronger your response the more your system is 'on the case'.
(NOTE. I'm not talking about the pathological overreaction which can occur in a VERY few people EITHER in response to the vaccine OR to infection with the actual disease, that makes things worse.)
 
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@Ganjcat i can't believe i'm taking the bait and i will not do it again. i feel like you didn't read the post you quoted at all.

i did not imply your WD in particular was a walk in the park.

i said that my wd was a walk in the park (where you quoted "withdrawal was a walk in the park for me") in comparison to the months and months of relentless anguish that follow before you make it to the hallowed ground of vague normality (when it starts getting better but you still got a few months of being very up and down, then the rest of your life). it kind of obvious that if you don't deal with any shit that happens for years on end, i.e. you're a heroin addict (you might think you're dealing with it but you're massively blunting everything) then when you get clean, you will have to deal with it. years worth. but in a couple of months.

that is why i encourage everyone to quit ASAP. you'll have less shite in the post to deal with when you finally get clean. and thus a better chance of actually getting clean and staying clean. cos every day in fucking tears is 24 hours of danger of scoring. and you have to repeat that almost every day for at least a month. because i have met a lot of people who have entered long term recovery, i know that my experience was par for the course.

oh, and you have to deal with whatever fucked up your life to the extent you got addicted to heroin in the first place. that's still a work in progress for me.

thinking that getting through withdrawals was all that needed to happen to get off gear, despite much evidence to the contrary, is how i ended up in the shitty situation i got into. i didn't know i needed to put in some serious therapy. work out what heroin was doing for me. i didn't even know i fucking had CPTSD cos i was masking it so well with drugs, so i didn't know i needed very specialist help from that. i didn't know that i needed to get a social network of people who understood. i didn't know how much i didn't know. so i hated myself cos i thought i couldn't quit cos i was weak.
 
Its so hot and muggy - despite having a calmer weekend than is often the case, with a quarter of Silver Kush to maximise the potential of personal positivity, I have wasted the last 24 hours due to achieving an unintended level of sedation - with my Balkan based pharmacist unable to operate at present due to the disruption to local postal services stemming from the public health issue just as I literally ran out of bzds, my periodic reload included only my standard bi - monthly collection of 100 UK generic 500mcg clonazepam tablets with only a limited amount of Hemofarm 10mg diazepam tablets (50) available as well. Since starting my Sertraline Rx about 3 months ago, I have recently found the diazepam less effective than the clonazepam, something that is a noted interaction with this particular AD. However, after starting with a 40mg dose I have been in a haze of benz since Friday, with a further 20mg followed by 30mg over the subsequent 24 hours leaving me spending today awake, but splatted on my couch listening to audiobooks, not wanting to waste the bit of I have left on the dampening effect the diazepam often has on weed and other hallucinogens. So, uncomfortably hot I decided to wind the day down with a small amount of junkie bits, just a stone and 2 0.2 bags of heroin, one to fire and the second to smoke and while I am not quite at the same place as I would be at 1.30 am on a live dancefloor during an all night future disco, it has made the end to the weekend better than it would have been otherwise.
 
Bloby said:
Looks like zopiclone just IDed himself



Wish you both the best. Ganja if you can manage 9 days you can manage a month, year etc if you want it enough. I found that turning the biggest reason I wanted to stop into a mantra was helpful as it can be easy to forget once things have improved and the little voice pipes up with bad suggestions.
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Damn right too.
 
Anyone else thinking now The Northern Alliance have rolled over the fields are gonna be burned?

I know China wants to get in there for the minerals etc I wonder if The you will form some proxy army £ battle Taliban to secure the poppy fields. When 90% of the gear in Europe comes from there we're talking millions of pounds in retail. When you think on the wider geopolitical issue & all the people taking bribes all the way from the Afghan fields all the way to the UK many people are gonna be upset if the door stops & hence the cash flow too.

The next 24 months are going to be interesting to watch in my view, Afghanistan could end up like Mexico in many ways sadly.
 
Start saving all your old plates cause in a few weeks they are gonna be worth a fortune. I'm sure I got a few old ones stashed under the sofa or under the bed etc, gonna weight 'em in then finally hire a hitman to kill @F.U.B.A.R.
The swine clocked the last guy, he noticed he was being followed by a car & posted about it on here, this time I'll hire a good one from Russia & take him out with a single RPG direct to his car.
 
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