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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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Addam said:
Regarding Seroquel, I was thrown on that briefly back in my doctor-shopping, drug-seeking days. Started me out on 400mg pills, twice a day, I believe. 2 weeks pass and all of a sudden I have a moment of lucidity, like “What the FUCK? I’ve spent the last 2 weeks eating and watching TV” (I don’t watch TV)
I was on some bizarre autopilot just going through life, it killed my spark. Got off that immediately; they clearly were dosing me wayyyy too high. Totally flat affect.
On the other hand, I’ve had friends who were reasonably dosed and it worked wonders for stabilizing their mood.
No doctor am I
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400mg twice a day? Holy fuck
But indeed crazy autopilot stuff. It "works" alright, instead of one third of the time at 100%, another third at 70% and another at 20%, you're at a perpetual 40%. I won't go into it further but there are many other reasons to forego this. Maybe I'm being too short sighted, who knows on this drug.
psy997 said:
Lamictal is supposed to be a good stabilizer without horrific side effects. Easy to get on and off of, no SSRI activity, etc.
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I know I know, I'm well aware of my options, my psychiatrist is just really adamant about neuroleptics. I'll see what happens over the next few weeks. Honestly it's 75% the ADHD that's screwing me over daily.
 
had the most powerful flashback smoking this indoor sativa last night. Was fucking insane for hours heavy heavy visuals full blown trip that 6 tab trip with ketamine did its number on my brain. was meditating before it sober and was seeing insane cevs. I have taken to much LSD in my life i can see that clearly now lol.
 
Crazy, I listened to a few. The Amy Winehouse one was really convincing, I enjoyed that one. So is it that the entire thing was generated by AI through probably a neural network style learning algorithm from feeding it an artists's discography? That is really nuts.

I don't think there can be a replacement for actual people producing music from their heart and souls, and especially for seeing live music. I'm not sure whether I'd say it's gone "too far". It's definitely super interesting and an impressive result. But I can't see machines replacing humans as musicians. Even in this case, the only reason the AI could generate something new was because of the work of the artists it was trying to emulate. It didn't just come up with that stuff all on its own, like it does with humans who have the gift of music, who are truly creating something new and are expressing the incredible complexity of a feeling, or time, or place.
 
psy997 said:
Lamictal is supposed to be a good stabilizer without horrific side effects. Easy to get on and off of, no SSRI activity, etc.
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Yeah, everybody needs to find what works for them. My friend says that Lamictal saved her life, but other people have horrible reactions to it.

Mirtazapine works wonders for me, but a lot of people can't tolerate that either. Some have terrible nightmares, night terrors and sleep paralysis from it. I've always had crazy vivid dreams (even before the medication), but nothing out of the ordinary.

I've never tried Seroquel because I knew a few people who were on it and they just seemed like zombies to me.
 
I think those AI songs "by" the dead artists were actually played by very skilled cover bands, and that the AI simply wrote the tunes, and it was curated/arranged etc by the engineer. I'm quite certain we're not at a point where an AI can synthesize someone's singing voice, or instrumentation so accurately, there would have been telltale spectral glitches/smearing in there (like how shitty mp3s sound).

The real marvel in the similarity can probably mostly be credited to the covering musicians, and the AI would have simply come up with the melodies and words (which is a huge feat for sure!), possibly some of the arrangement, and this would have all been curated by a human (the AI would have also generated lot of garbage that someone would have had to sort through), and then actually played, recorded, mixed by humans.

Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think AI is quite at the level that they're trying to make out here.
 
This text AI is pretty fun to play around with: http://6b.eleuther.ai/

It's related to the famous GPT-3 algorithm, but I don't know much at all about the details.

As an example, when I prompted it @Xorkoth 's text from above:
Crazy, I listened to a few. The Amy Winehouse one was really convincing, I enjoyed that one. So is it that the entire thing was generated by AI through probably a neural network style learning algorithm from feeding it an artists's discography? That is really nuts.
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It responded with:
That was my first impression when I first read about it, and honestly, it wasn't even that crazy. Deep dream is an algorithm that attempts to get an image similar to a given image (basically to warp the original image into something closer to the original). And if you believe, that we can't even see the real thing as something generated from nothingness by mere calculations, then Deep Dream can pretty much be thought of as "nothingness being similar to something generated".

Something that doesn't exist is much closer to something that is created by our brain than something that can't be thought of as existing.
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perpetualdawn said:
I think those AI songs "by" the dead artists were actually played by very skilled cover bands, and that the AI simply wrote the tunes, and it was curated/arranged etc by the engineer. I'm quite certain we're not at a point where an AI can synthesize someone's singing voice, or instrumentation so accurately, there would have been telltale spectral glitches/smearing in there (like how shitty mp3s sound).

The real marvel in the similarity can probably mostly be credited to the covering musicians, and the AI would have simply come up with the melodies and words (which is a huge feat for sure!), possibly some of the arrangement, and this would have all been curated by a human (the AI would have also generated lot of garbage that someone would have had to sort through), and then actually played, recorded, mixed by humans.

Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think AI is quite at the level that they're trying to make out here.
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I don't know. I got in the computer biz in 1965 and I stopped underestimating what they do a long time ago. With enough processing power they could analyze a voice and plug in as much as they can from stored data to be pretty convincing. I bet those guys can have Hank Williams sr singing a Green Day song and you would swear it was him.
 
Xorkoth said:
Crazy, I listened to a few. The Amy Winehouse one was really convincing, I enjoyed that one. So is it that the entire thing was generated by AI through probably a neural network style learning algorithm from feeding it an artist's discography? That is really nuts.
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perpetualdawn said:
I think those AI songs "by" the dead artists were actually played by very skilled cover bands, and that the AI simply wrote the tunes, and it was curated/arranged etc. by the engineer. I'm quite certain we're not at a point where an AI can synthesize someone's singing voice, or instrumentation so accurately.
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There's a program called Vocaloid where you basically type in the lyrics and it creates a song. It sounds robotic, but it still creeps me out. It's like that Japanese humanoid HRP-4C that looks and acts just like a woman. I'm worried that we'll get to the point where we can't tell what's real and what's not!
 
perpetualdawn said:
I think those AI songs "by" the dead artists were actually played by very skilled cover bands, and that the AI simply wrote the tunes, and it was curated/arranged etc by the engineer. I'm quite certain we're not at a point where an AI can synthesize someone's singing voice, or instrumentation so accurately, there would have been telltale spectral glitches/smearing in there (like how shitty mp3s sound).

The real marvel in the similarity can probably mostly be credited to the covering musicians, and the AI would have simply come up with the melodies and words (which is a huge feat for sure!), possibly some of the arrangement, and this would have all been curated by a human (the AI would have also generated lot of garbage that someone would have had to sort through), and then actually played, recorded, mixed by humans.

Happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think AI is quite at the level that they're trying to make out here.
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Yeah, a friend of mine did his master thesis on music generation with GANs, the results weren't very impressive. It's logical, it would be very disappointing if a relatively small algorithm could match human creativity.
 
Autism is such a blanket term... it's not even a bad thing unless it's really severe and you are low functioning (like my friend's brother can only say his own name, has random rage breakdowns, is 40 years old and lives in a group home, etc). Tons of people are on the spectrum, to me it's just an aspect to your brain and personality. Many I have talked to even view it as a gift.

ADHD and bipolar, absolutely these need to be addressed. But clearly you are very high functioning and intelligent and able to connect with people, so I'm just saying, IMO, don't let them try to mess with your head about the autism thing.
 
OK re: the "Lost Tapes of the 27 club" project, here's some actual notes on the process they used, and it shows what I'm talking about - that the AI generated the melodies, riffs etc, an engineer assembled the bits into songs, and studio musicians played the parts, and sang: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/nirvana-kurt-cobain-ai-song-1146444/

Eric Hogan has been fronting Atlanta’s Nevermind: The Ultimate Tribute to Nirvana for the past six years. The band started out as a one-off lark for Halloween; an excuse for Hogan and his friends to perform Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, and Nirvana tribute sets. But when they saw the huge reaction their Nirvana set got, they went full grunge. When the Over the Bridge team asked him to sing on “Drowned in the Sun,” he thought the project sounded both unbelievable (in the most literal sense of the word) and cool. “After the conversation, I still didn’t really think it was a real thing,” he says. “And then they sent me files and money.”

When he first heard the music, he was dumbfounded. “I was like, ‘I don’t know how to [sing] this,'” he remembers. “I had to have the guy who came up with the AI track mumble and hum [the tune]. I would feel weird trying to assume what [Cobain] would do. They had to give me a little bit of a roadmap, and then from there, it was fine.”
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@Mister Privacy @Xorkoth @Buzz Lightbeer @Gary White @phenethylo J

I don't think musicians have anything to worry about for the time being, this is more like a tool in the creative toolbox than a black box music maker.
 
perpetualdawn said:
Are you being voluntarily held in this hospital/facility @Buzz Lightbeer, or do you not have choice in the matter? I hope you're getting the care you need and none of the care you don't need.
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Yes I'm here voluntarily, I need help because in the last 4 years I've run into the same issues over and over and I clearly couldn't solve them on my own, and there's 0 chance I can perform up to my degree's standards in a full time work environment. It's a minor price to pay if there's a chance at a much more fruitful life and understanding of what I experience. I try to make the best of my time on earth and I do believe they can help me, and it cannot possibly end up in me regretting going there since I still can take all decisions.

I talked it over with my psychiatrist and I can get off Seroquel when I want, but we're trying Ritalin next week so I need to stay on it for a little longer to avoid mania.
It is also possible that I have like 2 of the 3, they overlap and combat each other somewhat in symptoms.
Xorkoth said:
Autism is such a blanket term... it's not even a bad thing unless it's really severe and you are low functioning (like my friend's brother can only say his own name, has random rage breakdowns, is 40 years old and lives in a group home, etc). Tons of people are on the spectrum, to me it's just an aspect to your brain and personality. Many I have talked to even view it as a gift.

ADHD and bipolar, absolutely these need to be addressed. But clearly you are very high functioning and intelligent and able to connect with people, so I'm just saying, IMO, don't let them try to mess with your head about the autism thing.
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Yeah I don't let it get to my head, I'm more interested in the fact that they think so, I am very comfortable with my own brain and personality, I just don't see any of the classical autism symptoms in me, I'm skilled in social situations and I took some emotional intelligence test a year or two ago and I scored very high, but okay yeah.... But it would make some sense with regards to my childhood and some peripheral symptoms now would make some sense...

I don't mind all this stuff, I enjoy filling out forms and taking long IQ tests and stuff, and where I'm going I can do all sorts of sports and walk outside in nature.
 
perpetualdawn said:
OK re: the "Lost Tapes of the 27 club" project, here's some actual notes on the process they used, and it shows what I'm talking about - that the AI generated the melodies, riffs etc, an engineer assembled the bits into songs, and studio musicians played the parts, and sang: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/nirvana-kurt-cobain-ai-song-1146444/



@Mister Privacy @Xorkoth @Buzz Lightbeer @Gary White @phenethylo J

I don't think musicians have anything to worry about for the time being, this is more like a tool in the creative toolbox than a black box music maker.
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Good post, thanks.
Classic overhyping of AI, as expected. Though it still is very cool.
 
@Xorkoth hi man. I guess you were all alarmed as me seeing @Bella Figura ’s uncharacter like bleak apparent farewell to us all last night.

He’s always been really sound to me, and a bright spark around the place.

I do hope we see him again in better sprit,soon.

Normally I would reach out but I don’t want to patronise or touch any nerves.

Simply thinking or and wishing the best for our brother.
 
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