THC does help you get to sleep.
And it suppresses most REM sleep, which you would know if you checked out the links I’ve shared on the subject or simply Google’d it (or DuckDuckGo or whatever) for yourself to be more educated on the topic, particularly once points have been made in this manner. I’m looking for cold, hard,
real science.
CBD is known to aid deep, restful, repairative sleep in at least a different way to THC.
I just read on Wikipedia that much doubt has been cast on this assumption regarding CBD, actually. I didn’t know that either, though, tbf
I don’t ALWAYS like a stickler, use purely correct terms, but that’s not the same as using a term that conveys a substantial mismeaning.
Like what? Please tell me you’re not talking about the American English colloquialism “not hardly”. Everyone knows what that means, even if we’re to be pedantic enough to point out it is a double-negative. For that matter, I don’t say shit like, “Yes, that is I.” in response to someone calling my name and looking for me in a crowd of people. I would say “Yeah that’s me.” like most people, despite this technically being incorrect grammar by using the objective sense pronoun “me” instead of the subjective “I” since a being verb was used. The mode stays the same. I’m also fluent in Spanish but I tone down the accent at Mexican restaurants when I’m with non-Latin-Americans because it sounds pompous a bit, like the other examples. I realize you don’t have many Mexican restaurants in the U.K. and can only imagine what substitutions they make… conversely Indian food is not super common in the states, though they’re everywhere in the U.K.
So true REM, I hear you. True deep sleep, in the restful and repairative sense, is achieved more easily…I believe, with the help of CBD.
Why the inclusion of the word “true”. This implies a false REM which I’ve never heard of. Have you?
But again, it looks like maybe not regarding sleep and CBD. Seriously, hit up a search engine and you do some of the research for once. I’m tired of fetching articles no one appears to be reading.
If that relates to REM or not, I can’t recall exactly.
Well I do, and THC suppresses REM. Not the band, I mean the sleep, lol. Also, 5-HTP suppresses REM sleep. When you stop taking it after once a day for a week, you will have super vivid dreams due to a sort of build up effect after REM suppression. Some people use this as a launching point to lucid dreaming.
I don’t have a source at present saying kavalactones potentiate psychedelics.
Well then maybe you shouldn’t present it as if it were a confirmed fact. That spreads misinformation as people often do not fact check shit. Please don’t be a part of this problem. All you have to do is qualify it a bit with something like, “in my personal opinion“, or “in my own experiences” or something other than the way you stated it, as if it were common knowledge. What’d you say? “cannabinoids and Kavalactones both very potentiating with LSD” <— do you see what I’m saying? I don’t think I’m being unreasonable by pointing this out.
But kava alone is massively understudied, like decades behind cannabis but catching up well just recently.
All the more reason not to make a wild assumption like that.
Again, just because I haven’t an already conducted official study to link, does not make it fair insistence that it can’t possibly be the case.
I never said that I insisted it can’t possibly be the case. Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I asked for something to verify your claim, some “source at present” that you do not have. I’m willing to accept that it’s true if you have some evidence to point to outside of expecting everyone to accept your highly subjective personal experiences as across the board de facto always true for everyone.
I mean, you’re on medication and you have a serious ailment from Lyme Disease caught too late, you told me. It’s not unreasonable to conclude you might not be the best test subject for an average user of any particular drug. You have other variables that can call results into question. So that
extra disqualifies you from stating your opinion disguised as a fact. You likely have unusual experiences and you said you haven’t rolled since 2005? Be aware that you have very strong, highly opinionated thoughts about a drug you’ve not taken in over 15 years. A lot can change in 15 years, both externally and internally to an individual and the world around them. My unsolicited $0.02 is to question your assumptions more closely and more often. Fact check things with search engines and other resources.
My experience is what I go by with it.
Yeah, I go by mine as well, but I temper it with outside knowledge and am aware of how biased subjective experience is. Meanwhile, the only thing you seem to go by is just your singular, one-person, FPS-style experience of the world without even so much as feigning interest in any of the sourced links I’ve posted. Thirst for the truth and for knowledge that comes from outside yourself to balance the knowledge you love building internally.
I know you will only be able to dismiss that of course and I can’t argue it.
No I’m not dismissing anecdotal experiences. Part of the reason I think 25 µg is an insignificant dose is because I’ve had that personal experience numerous times now. But that’s not sufficient alone. I then looked at reference material to see what the medical, biochem, and pharma industries think about a 25 µg dose. Yep, it’s active. Nope, no one says this is “strong”. You can attempt to claim you meant something different involving the word strong but I think you’re trying to save face. It’s not even a big deal; I truly believe you just misspoke without thinking critically about it first. I do this too from time to time.
I’ve also taken HUGE doses of LSD, including god knows how much I took in thumbprinting once with a group of hippie friends, including the LSD chemist who had made that batch. I’ve had pretty fully detached, in-and-out of deliriant states LSD trips where I was tripping so hard my whole ego was dissolved, I could not remember my name, age, or where I was born, I was completely gone in the aether. Once
—this is embarrassing, but—I was at Burning Man and had taken a ten strip of some acid that turned out being much more than 100 µg/hit though I never found out how much exactly. But at some point during this trip, I don’t recall doing this, but I wedged my fist into my own mouth and after somewhere between 30 minutes and an hour I suddenly snapped to but was panicked and could not understand why I couldn’t speak. It took some really pretty, angel-winged chick to come over to me and calmly grab my wrist and remove it from my mouth. I was fucking mortified, and of course she was way too good looking for this to not maximize the embarrassment factor for yours truly. Then I still pretty much couldn’t carry on a conversation and was having a difficult time seeing more than 10 meters in front of me because of the fast moving, heavy visuals. I couldn’t make sense of things, and was very confused as to where I was, who I was, what anything in the world was, and it was fairly overwhelming and humbling in a very crushing kind of way I probably need at that time.
I’ve been through that, but still… no 24 hour trips on LSD. It’s always 12 hours for me unless I take one hit, in which case it might be more like 8 to 9 hours.
Fact is, few few people report using large amounts of kava and acid together, but before I ever tried it I did scour a few accounts of people having a similar experience.
[sigh…] Again, any evidence I can verify??? Conveniently for you, nope.
The kavalactones really influence neurotransmitters,
This is not in dispute, but it also doesn’t mean jackshit regarding it’s interaction with LSD.
Define full range there, champ. Do you realize how many neurotransmitter subtypes exist in the human brain? And researchers are uncovering more year after year. Hell, LSD was discovered before 5-HT. And the 5-HT receptor subtypes have split and grown since then. I don’t believe any one drug hits every neurotransmitter. That seems hella illogical, but I will verify this later. (See how it works?)
so why again in the absence of the proof you request, should it be so inconceivable that it could effect the LSD?
Also I’m only pointing this out this one time to make this point, I usually let grammar slips go, because it’s very petty. So notice I’m not breaking your balls over using the wrong form of “effect” there. I make that mistake occasionally. It’s easy when you’re transcribing your thoughts. Does this make me think less of you or necessitate I act holier than thou?
Not hardly 
Setting aside the fundamental problem you glazed over called “absence of proof”, it’s not inconceivable to me that Kava could potentiate LSD – again that’s putting words in my mouth. However, why do a strongly doubt this to be true? Again, b/c Kava acts as a sedative in the body. Everything else in the drug world that acts as a sedative has a counteractive effect on psychedelics, including LSD, which tend to have effects that ride hand-in-hand with anxiogenesis. Stopping the anxiogenesis appears to be tantamount to counteracting the psychedelic effects LSD produces. It doesn’t take a genius to figure this one out. It’s fairly intuitive, if you ask me.
Man it’s fucked up that you admit none of this is based on fact, but just arbitrary conjecture based on a trial group of one person. And you misrepresented my points by claiming I said it was “inconceivable” and “can’t possibly be the case”, which I
never said. This is exactly what’s so frustrating to me. Then I get comments from the peanut gallery from this one and that one, but amazingly NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM had anything of evidence to point to.
What is the point of random, frequently uneducated conjecture? Doesn’t anyone else want to know things with certainty? I know I’m not the only one here who yearns for actual factual truth and not random brickwork guesses
