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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Basic LSD Questions Thread - The Fourth Iteration

jakhavry said:
Hi
Has anyone here tried Dr suess 100ug tabs from dark net markets. If so are they clean? Also how is the quality of this produc?
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Theres countless dr Seuss prints out there, at all different dosages. Nobody on here can pinpoint what or how good your tabs are, best bet is to start slow (allergy test even if you dont have a test kit, better safe than sorry) and work your way up.
 
I was just wondering if the purity of acid would change the experience you have because i have seen multiple things saying that if you were to take acid that is about 89% purity the high would be a more social party high with a strong body effect and if you were to take acid that has purity into the high 90s the experience would be different in the sense the visuals would be much cleaner and you would have little to no body high what so ever etc. Is this true or does all acid feel the same if it is the same strength?
 
Hi friends! I have a friend who was recently put on insulin to manage their diabetes and they're wondering if LSD has any interaction with insulin? I don't think so, and I've tried using the search engine here (and elsewhere) without much luck. From what I can gather, it seems like there's no interaction, and most folks who are diabetic who have dosed just take a measurement of their sugar levels before and after tripping, and keep a soda or something similar on hand in case their sugar levels dip. Does this seem correct? Does anyone have any advice for them?

Your input is most appreciated.
 
I have a friend who was always on insulin since childhood.
they can take acid like a normal person.
 
jakhavry said:
I was just wondering if the purity of acid would change the experience you have because i have seen multiple things saying that if you were to take acid that is about 89% purity the high would be a more social party high with a strong body effect and if you were to take acid that has purity into the high 90s the experience would be different in the sense the visuals would be much cleaner and you would have little to no body high what so ever etc. Is this true or does all acid feel the same if it is the same strength?
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The 'brands' and purity do not matter. It is either actual LSD, or a completely different research chemical.

The dosage of the LSD, set, and setting are what influence an acid trip.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
The 'brands' and purity do not matter. It is either actual LSD, or a completely different research chemical.

The dosage of the LSD, set, and setting are what influence an acid trip.
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purity plays a major part. 95% vs 99.9% is very noticeable on the body load and the comedown. 99.9% has zero or very low body load. 95% gives me alot of nasuesa, stomach is doing constant backflips on high dose of 95% white fluff compared to when i take high dose needle point and my stomach feels fine even i ate a pizza 2 hours before. 95% is white fluff and is usually the most common form anything less pure than this is acutally rare these days.
 
Yes, @TripSitterNZ , I completely agree.
And the fact that we know there are impurities like iso-lsd and other ergolines present in sub 99.9% is what I think contributes to these less-desirable effects.
Even if these impurities are not “active at that level,” no one can say they don’t have any altering effect on the parent compound itself.

I know from personal experience (hundreds of trips thru the late 80s to present day), always tripping on pure WoW by NS (lived a couple miles from him!).
The one time I obtained a sheet from someone else, due to his absence, we all complained about the gritty comedowns, speedy and tweaky effects of that sheet.
The thing is, I didn’t tell folks this was different, because it was still WoW (and lsd is lsd, right?), but uniformly I received the same complaints. Must/could have been tornado juice, or lavender laid or something.

So until someone can irrefutably prove that these otherwise inactive iso’s and other impurities/ergolines simply cannot have a mechanism of cascading or synergistic effects either on the lsd itself, or on our body chemistry - I’m going to posit that the diffs I and many others feel and report (maybe we’re just too sensitive to these things or overly so), must/could have a causal relationship to effects felt other than dosage, set and setting. Now I agree that those are chief players in the outcome of any trip, but I allow room in my thinking for the potential of these impurities being capable of altering the experience.

Don’t hate on me folks, I’m no scientist and I know this opinion will be met by a chorus of “here we go agains,” but ask yourself this: can YOU actually PROVE and KNOW this is all just placebo?

One day, double-blind trials may prove one side right; until then, it’s up for respectful debate.
:)
 
This conversion really works at home and is based on 1992 adducts study, have experienced it twice, like an upgraded version of LSD.

At-home conversion of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD in 1 step (similar to but beyond even ALD-52) 1 page synopsis

I have made 1-acetaldehyde LSD twice so far from 3 LSD blotters and then 4 LSD blotters the 2nd time, it is extraordinary, easy to do in one step and based on the 1992 adducts study with indole see below note (6). This is absolutely no "pro-drug" it has effects all on it's own, COMPLETELY...
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The Axe said:
I've seen teks on the web for mushrooms that don't seem plausible at all, like lemon tek, but on the other hand I've seen other simple teks with lye or food grade lime seem like they do strip off part of a chain. I'm just wondering, other than subjectively, how to confirm whether there's an acetyl attached to the LSD-25 or whether something else is going on with acetyl during metabolism.
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Well said The Axe, let's not forget the possibility that acetaldehyde could be adducting onto the NH group nitrogen of the ergoline indole of LSD "in vivo" in the liver to convert this to 1-acetaldehyde LSD. After all, the Aztecs and Mayans added the morning glory extract to wine/liquor, and the 1992 adducts paper is entitled:

"Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone: possible role in ethanol toxicity."

Note (2) Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch: "The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally are added to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37)."

Here's an example: If you soak coca leaf tea bags in wine, and the wine drunk, the cocaine is converted into coca-ethylene in the liver...cocaethyelene is orally potent, it has a "higher like" rating than even cocaine when human tests were done in 1994. This was the basis behind the famous commerical "Vin Mariani wine" back in the 1860's popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison, and scores of other famous people. I don't see any cleavage taking place with this molecule but rather addition/transformation. This "in-vivo" liver transformation of the molecule was not even discovered till 1994 !

Perhaps this same "in vivo" transformation of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD takes place in the liver via an enzymatic reaction that has not yet been discovered. I know the effects of LSD and 1-acetaldehyde LSD very well, as I have taken acid hundreds of times, and the 2 times I tried 1-acetaldehyde first at 300ug and 2nd time at 400ug were completely different, in fact I prefer the 1-acetaldehyde LSD by a long shot, it's the only way I will take acid for the rest of my life, I don't mind the extra expense of using 3 or 4 tabs at once for the conversion, it's cheap and plentiful in dreams. You have nothing to loose, my grocery store carried just one brand of Sherry wine, seen in the 1st pic of linked thread with 13 pics, "Taylor brand sherry" and the peppermint extract was right down a few isles.

Like I mentioned earlier, I've taken acid in all different amounts with 400g of fresh cactus tea (I grow lots of cactus under shade cloth) for over 15 years, and it always feels just like "acid + cactus", but when I took the 400ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD with 400g of fresh cactus, for the 1st time in my life it felt like 700mg of mescaline, it was THE most profoundly infinitely beautiful and powerful trip of my entire life, I can't stop thinking about even 1 week later, big time life changing. I had complete control of my faculties, no tenseness or anxiety like with acid, no wandering thoughts, it was deep mentally, real gem, I would wave my hand and see not only tracers, but fractals inside the tracers, the beauty of the 2 women on screen from the new hulu movie "to the stars" was overwhelming, I was in heaven, the colors were out of this world impossible and breath-taking for hours on end...I thanked Heaven for this remarkable experience, the most profound of my life. Just my 2 cents.

Normalperson said:
what's the worst that could happen? lose a couple of tabs and be stuck with a bottle of shitty wine? or maybe i would like the wine and become a wino? I'll try it out soon.
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I laughed my ass off reading that.
 
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TripSitterNZ said:
purity plays a major part. 95% vs 99.9% is very noticeable on the body load and the comedown. 99.9% has zero or very low body load. 95% gives me alot of nasuesa, stomach is doing constant backflips on high dose of 95% white fluff compared to when i take high dose needle point and my stomach feels fine even i ate a pizza 2 hours before. 95% is white fluff and is usually the most common form anything less pure than this is acutally rare these days.
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DrumTripper said:
Yes, @TripSitterNZ , I completely agree.
And the fact that we know there are impurities like iso-lsd and other ergolines present in sub 99.9% is what I think contributes to these less-desirable effects.
Even if these impurities are not “active at that level,” no one can say they don’t have any altering effect on the parent compound itself.

I know from personal experience (hundreds of trips thru the late 80s to present day), always tripping on pure WoW by NS (lived a couple miles from him!).
The one time I obtained a sheet from someone else, due to his absence, we all complained about the gritty comedowns, speedy and tweaky effects of that sheet.
The thing is, I didn’t tell folks this was different, because it was still WoW (and lsd is lsd, right?), but uniformly I received the same complaints. Must/could have been tornado juice, or lavender laid or something.

So until someone can irrefutably prove that these otherwise inactive iso’s and other impurities/ergolines simply cannot have a mechanism of cascading or synergistic effects either on the lsd itself, or on our body chemistry - I’m going to posit that the diffs I and many others feel and report (maybe we’re just too sensitive to these things or overly so), must/could have a causal relationship to effects felt other than dosage, set and setting. Now I agree that those are chief players in the outcome of any trip, but I allow room in my thinking for the potential of these impurities being capable of altering the experience.

Don’t hate on me folks, I’m no scientist and I know this opinion will be met by a chorus of “here we go agains,” but ask yourself this: can YOU actually PROVE and KNOW this is all just placebo?

One day, double-blind trials may prove one side right; until then, it’s up for respectful debate.
:)
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That is the placebo effect, marketing/hype, and branding. LSD is LSD.

Nicholas Sand and the brotherhood of eternal love as well as other groups of chemists or drug distribution groups were all about making, promoting, selling, and marketing as much of their 'brand' of LSD as possible, and making as much money as they could.

It is still like this today with LSD sold online on the darkweb and via street dealers, they hype up their product so people buy it from them, and not from the competition.

I remember reading in one of the many books about LSD and other psychedelic drugs I read as a teenager and in my early 20s about how people selling/distributing LSD in the 1960s and early 1970s would sell LSD with different blotter art or different coloured gelatin or windowpane type. People who were told that certain colours of LSD gelatin or windowpane, or blotter being sold were "bad" had "bad trips" 'felt dirty', etc., or that other colours or blotter art were "good" had good trips, the LSD felt 'clean', etc. However, in reality it was all the same LSD, at the same dosage, but the carrier such as the gelatin square or blotter art just looked different, and it was based on marketing, brand hype, and the placebo effect.

This is a link which shows how the brand of Sandoz LSD is just like any other 'type' of LSD.

Erowid LSD (Acid) Vault : LSD Purity

Myth Debunking and Storage: LSD Purity, by Earth and Fire Erowid
erowid.org
 
Again, we lack empirical study which supports either claim.
This is a case where I’ll respectfully agree to disagree; it has approached a similar status to that of the Sasquatch.

At the risk of sounding dull, I simply believe this to be true, and await an ontology or empirical proof that could refute the possibility of impurities having an effect, not on their own - as Sasha has elucidated - but in concert with the lsd itself, as an adulterant. That, after all is the question.
 
Its not about making the most money though the ones making the most money are the ones making impure product that affects the trip in different ways. When you refine to 99.9% you lose alot of hits in a batch that is over 30k hits.

When you have taken LSD many many times you quickly see which crystal is the greatest. I know that its real so i will avoid trash crystal that makes people have terrible body load.
 
Further, it’s a dubious notion that branding was the key, as I mentioned two cases of WoW tabs; clearly not an issue of promoting a particular product via blotter art, per se.
I do agree with the premise that branding did occur, and still does with various prints etc., but this in no way accounts for the case I raised.

Try eating some ipomea seeds - you’ll have a trip if enough is consumed, albeit with some pretty real and for most, major discomfort.
Then try refining it via an extraction and note the differences.
Similar trips, but one is much smoother on the body, due to other alkaloids present in stronger ratios than wanted for the desired effects.

Also, @PriestTheyCalledHim I had read that article before, and one interesting fact they leave out is that it’s highly unlikely anyone, including Sandoz, has been able to synth a 100% pure product. That would be awesome, by the way! ;) So it‘s all tainted, really, but some more so than others. These are differences that some claim to be sensitive to, myself included.
 
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Interesting but LSD still surprises me. Especially in regards w tolerance-took a tab and at 6 hours in thought I might as well take the second since I just wanted to increase the duration and didn't expect much that far in-hit as if it was a full second tab. Tripped way harder than expected.
 
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A little off topic, but have link to a groundbreaking new study on LSH compared to LSD:

New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water. - Botanicals - Mycotopia

Page 2 post #40 of link above includes BRAND NEW 2020 receptorome study which compares LSH from the morning glory seeds with LSD, this is the first study of it's kind. It shows LSH to be quite powerful receptorome wise.

LSD chemist Skinner made wine extracts of claviceps paspali ergot (3 page trip report on post #32) that kept their strong activity for many years, have done the same using fresh off vine morning glory seeds. They both contain exact same alkaloid profile when fresh. This is how the ancient Maya and Aztec would extract the seeds, into acidic alcoholic drinks, see link above with pics of this from "The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive plants". Sherry wine also contains 10mg acetaldehyde per shot glass or 30 ml, and according to the LSA adducts theory from psychonaut.com, there is a high probability that acetaldehyde can adduct onto the amide nitrogen to form LSH from LSA after 3 hours of soaking and stirring once per hour in fridge of sherry wine extraction solution. LSH is a simple adduct of LSA + acetaldehyde, adducts are easy to form. See the several strong wine extraction seed reports at the end of the linked to paper above, page 4 or post #63. LSH only survives when extracted into acidic solutions, like wine for example (ph=4) else it decomposes to LSA almost immediately in neutral (ph=7) water. Study for this given in above paper, from 2016 Polish morning glory study.
 
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Does anyone know what print this is from by any chance? Double sided blotter.
 
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