Tryptamines DPT sucks

[sin_is_synthetic]

The first time I heard about DPT being the dark twisted brother of DMT was around 2004 in the book Breaking Open The Head by Daniel Pinchbeck. Given the mass publishing of that book it makes me wonder if Pinchbecks interpretation of his personal DPT trip became somewhat of an "idea virus" and like a placebo has flavored 1000s of trips since then.

 

[Xorkoth]

The first time I heard about DPT being the dark twisted brother of DMT was around 2004 in the book Breaking Open The Head by Daniel Pinchbeck. Given the mass publishing of that book it makes me wonder if Pinchbecks interpretation of his personal DPT trip became somewhat of an "idea virus" and like a placebo has flavored 1000s of trips since then.

A lot of the early trip reports of DPT from some of the Erowid pioneers made it out to be something terrifying and dark, yet worthwhile. I think it's interesting how trip reports add to the collective headspace of substances. By putting your experience out there, you are effectively helping to shape the future experiences of others. I've always found that fascinating. Those early trip reports I grew up reading still, to this day, have made me so cautious and nervous about the drug that I have yet to try it, even though I have like 1.5 grams of it.

 

[tired of crap]

I believe Shulgin said something similar, in PiHKAL or TiHKAL, about how we assign character to these substances, as much as they have their own.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

For me the bad trips were def a dose iissue.
Since lower doses are very similar to generic tryptamines with alot of euphoria and breathing walls etc.
So for me it was just natural to keep dosing untill it got intense enough to show its own chararacter.

The problem was that the threshold between low and boring and way to high is so small.
Im sure there is a sweetspot somewhere that is just perfect.

Also both My high doses were in a polydrug combo with att least 2other psychedelics involved ATM.

I actually had One other dpt trip that was just nice.
It was att boom 2012, i was going to take the Night off and just chill.
But then i started doing ketamine lines in My tent.
After a few bumps i started mixing dpt in My lines and got a really unique Buzz going.
So i went to THE dance floor and sat semi holing listening to kindzaza

Low doses of this drug sound like low or moderate doses of LSD, mushrooms, or what would happen if I ate, smoked, or vaped lots of high quality Sativa, or Sativa dominant hybrid herb. Obviously it is not going to be like these three completely different drugs.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

A lot of the early trip reports of DPT from some of the Erowid pioneers made it out to be something terrifying and dark, yet worthwhile. I think it's interesting how trip reports add to the collective headspace of substances. By putting your experience out there, you are effectively helping to shape the future experiences of others. I've always found that fascinating. Those early trip reports I grew up reading still, to this day, have made me so cautious and nervous about the drug that I have yet to try it, even though I have like 1.5 grams of it.

Why not try it in a low dose? On its own without anything else.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah good idea, maybe I'll put that next or high up on my list for my next trips. Get the feet wet before plunging into the deep end.

 

[sin_is_synthetic]

A lot of the early trip reports of DPT from some of the Erowid pioneers made it out to be something terrifying and dark, yet worthwhile. I think it's interesting how trip reports add to the collective headspace of substances. By putting your experience out there, you are effectively helping to shape the future experiences of others. I've always found that fascinating. Those early trip reports I grew up reading still, to this day, have made me so cautious and nervous about the drug that I have yet to try it, even though I have like 1.5 grams of it.

It's funny but I think I did the exact same thing around that time with a sample that was gifted to me. Had it in a drawer and would eye it time to time but always hesitant. I lost it when I threw away some things I wished I held onto after my first wave of psychedelics before moving for college.

 

[electronDegenerate]

I'm in the same boat. I have 2 samples (one came to me straight up rust colored, so I got a second one) and they have just been sitting there for years.
I always intended to vape some, but when I first got a stash of DMT I found out that for some reason when I take big hits my lungs skip immediately to feeling like I can't get oxygen. Tripping out while you are pretty sure you are suffocating is not fun. So DMT and a very small sample of 5-MeO-DMT years before that are the only vaped psychedelics I have any experience with. I can hit my DMT vape pen okay though.
On top of that I have sinuses that do not lend themselves to drug use so an active dose of DPT in a pile of powder is a bit much and likely to stuff me up completely for a day or more. Even though I loved MXE, Ketamine was a dud for me because of my sinuses. Snorted a mountain only to get a mild body numbing drunkness and had to deal with the consequences. I can snort little bits of coke and anything else that is active in a dose range below "tiny mountain".
I guess maybe I need to make a DPT vape pen.

 

[Xorkoth]

I always intended to vape some, but when I first got a stash of DMT I found out that for some reason when I take big hits my lungs skip immediately to feeling like I can't get oxygen. Tripping out while you are pretty sure you are suffocating is not fun. So DMT and a very small sample of 5-MeO-DMT years before that are the only vaped psychedelics I have any experience with. I can hit my DMT vape pen okay though.

I feel the same way about DMT. Every single time I try to vaporize it with a lighter, it feels like it's crystallizing in my lungs, it's very alarming and bad feeling and it fucks with my trip and I can't break through. When I hit a DMT vape pen, it feels like breathing air and the trip is so much better.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Yeah good idea, maybe I'll put that next or high up on my list for my next trips. Get the feet wet before plunging into the deep end.

Take it tonight on its own and then write a trip report?

 

[Xorkoth]

Well tonight isn't really calling to me for a trip, but perhaps I'll do it soon, and at that time I'll write a trip report.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Also intramuscular injection is the superior way to take dpt.
Snorting is awful since it feels really caustic and makes the bodyload way worse...

With injections you can ride the wave and slowly titrate your dose.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Also intramuscular injection is the superior way to take dpt.
Snorting is awful since it feels really caustic and makes the bodyload way worse...

With injections you can ride the wave and slowly titrate your dose.

I thought most people took it orally? I remember reading about a cult on erowid that apparently takes it in high doses that way.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

The first time I heard about DPT being the dark twisted brother of DMT was around 2004 in the book Breaking Open The Head by Daniel Pinchbeck. Given the mass publishing of that book it makes me wonder if Pinchbecks interpretation of his personal DPT trip became somewhat of an "idea virus" and like a placebo has flavored 1000s of trips since then.

That is an interesting theory. I grew up with the "idea virus" of people saying things about LSD such as:
LSD causes your brain or spine to bleed!
If you take acid more than once you are legally insane!
If you look at yourself in a mirror on an LSD trip you will go crazy and have a bad trip!
LSD has strychnine in it!
LSD can be cut with Amphetamine/speed.
LSD causes chromosome damage to you and your future children.
My friend's cousin's sister's ex-boyfriend took LSD, had a bad trip and now he is committed to a mental asylum and bed ridden as he thinks he is a glass of orange juice and thinks he will spill if he gets out of bed!

Acid makes you go crazy but shrooms are fine as they are all natural.

Shrooms make you trip because it is your brain reacting to the poison in them!

I ignored all of this and never had a bad trip on acid or mushrooms.

 

[Xorkoth]

I heard all of that stuff too, only for us it was "if you take LSD 7 or more times you're legally insane". All the rest were exactly the same. I believed it in middle school and I imagined "acid" as a green cube that would dissolve in your mouth and burn your mouth. I was scared of the kids that everyone said took acid, lol.

 

[cosmic charlie]

My father a Dead Head and told me about how beautiful LSD Was since i Was a child so thankfully i never believe any of that nonsense. I started dropping Acid when i Was 14 years old and the other people in school talked all kinds of shit, fuck um. They used to say i Was on Heroin way before i even tried the stuff, kids are cruel. I was never good at school tho im highly intelligent, im not much into following rules...

 

[σ1R]

Also intramuscular injection is the superior way to take dpt.
Snorting is awful since it feels really caustic and makes the bodyload way worse...

With injections you can ride the wave and slowly titrate your dose.

i.m. definitely works, that's for sure. I'm not sure it's the superior ROA for DPT. The comeup is fast but not instant (5-15 minutes) and tryptamines in general are hard to dissolve in water, it ends up more like an oily substance that leaves some pain (not much, more of an annoyance really but it does affect gait) the day after near the injection site. (Unless I am doing it wrong, in that case tips are welcome!)

In those 5-15ish minutes, the comeup is weird, in my experiences I felt progressively less and less comfortable in my own body, until I nod off a few seconds at a time having wild thoughts and subtle CEVs. I wonder if it might be less scary/worrying to just get the peak near-instantly, as you do with smoking.

I think DPT is a very polarizing substance with a highly nonlinear dose response curve that also varies a lot depending on people. It's not to be underestimated.

 

[solarbear]

A lot of the early trip reports of DPT from some of the Erowid pioneers made it out to be something terrifying and dark, yet worthwhile. I think it's interesting how trip reports add to the collective headspace of substances. By putting your experience out there, you are effectively helping to shape the future experiences of others. I've always found that fascinating. Those early trip reports I grew up reading still, to this day, have made me so cautious and nervous about the drug that I have yet to try it, even though I have like 1.5 grams of it.

I always viewed it as one of the classics funny you say that I read those presumably and saw it as something almost sinister supernaturally dark uncanny terror perhaps inexplicable but then also heard of people sensing of being God or something haha I am aware of the Church of the Light or something a sacrament for them lol makes me think of K&B Organic Church of Neuroscience from some years back before the Pastor died I think in a car accident freaky correct me if I am wrong used his MXE offered as a sacrament which made me a parish member

I heard all of that stuff too, only for us it was "if you take LSD 7 or more times you're legally insane". All the rest were exactly the same. I believed it in middle school and I imagined "acid" as a green cube that would dissolve in your mouth and burn your mouth. I was scared of the kids that everyone said took acid, lol.

I heard that rumor too. Also a rumor about dirty acid in the projects laced with strychnine lol that's what caused them bad trips haha or the one kid just dosed way too much of strong stuff he kept wanting to go further no one thought it was a good idea to go that far he did bug out lost his mind but he stopped at least before he was gone for good

 

[Curious Chemist]

Dpt suckass

I disagree. For me DPT has provided a number of quite wonderful experiences. Whether insufflated (painful and unpleasant) or ingested as aqueous solution (requiring at least twice the amounts)… a fast onset to an amazing reality meltdown into a maelstrom of colored sparkle. There was some body load, but that seemed small in comparison with the effect on the mind. Back after 4-5 hours with no after effects. Most similar to DET, which is more potent and even more beautiful.

I think it's interesting how trip reports add to the collective headspace of substances. By putting your experience out there, you are effectively helping to shape the future experiences of others. I've always found that fascinating.

so true... And DPT clearly has a bad reputation in being considered somewhat “sinister”. That’s why I believe that experience reports at reasonable (non-heroic) dosages that systematically describe drug effects, good or bad, would be most valuable for potential user.

 

[negrogesic]

I heard all of that stuff too, only for us it was "if you take LSD 7 or more times you're legally insane". All the rest were exactly the same. I believed it in middle school and I imagined "acid" as a green cube that would dissolve in your mouth and burn your mouth. I was scared of the kids that everyone said took acid, lol.

Did you ever try the DPT? Just smoke it, lower doses are easy tolerate and its short acting.

I bought some DPT a while back and played around with it (smoked only). It definitely has quite abit of euphoria but there is this weird creepiness to it. Spooky stuff and hard to explain. Felt very different than DMT. I found it caused colors to appear desaturated, while producing some very eerie brightness/halos of light. I think I see why that DPT "church" refer to it as "The Light". Those must be some weird motherfuckers.

Never would I take it via any other route than vaporized. Intranasal sounds like a real horror show, like you're a character in a horror film.

In some ways, I actually found it less anxiogenic than vaporized DMT, but I never pushed the dose.