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Thought I would share the residal gunk dried out for a long time that I had cleaned up with acetone and IPA. You can see the original stuff back somewhere in the page 50 or so. I can link it later. But since a picture is worth a thousand words, here's 2000 words. One not zoomed, the other zoomed. It's in a mason jar obviously.

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In terms of the comeup, for me it kind of depended on my stomach. Definitely feel the comeup within 30m or so. Somtimes it was longer though. I'll have to take note next time.
 
Unfortunately I think it's a mixture of rose tinted glasses and how healthy our receptors are.

We're seeing the same from mephedrone veterans such as myself. I can never reach the high I used to achieve but the tests are coming back as pure product so cant argue really.

Move onto another drug and start working on those receptors :D. I've been using 2cb. Highly recommend
 
hendrix1969 said:
Unfortunately I think it's a mixture of rose tinted glasses and how healthy our receptors are.

We're seeing the same from mephedrone veterans such as myself. I can never reach the high I used to achieve but the tests are coming back as pure product so cant argue really.

Move onto another drug and start working on those receptors :D. I've been using 2cb. Highly recommend
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No it ain't. My rose tinted specs are blown off my face when I get genuinely good product...
 
anon65535 said:
That's what was left behind after I purified.
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This has been a long thread, and I don't quite remember your experience with the purified product. Was it still meh, or had it become more magical after being cleaned? Would you be open to having the "gunk" tested?
 
indigoaura said:
This has been a long thread, and I don't quite remember your experience with the purified product. Was it still meh, or had it become more magical after being cleaned? Would you be open to having the "gunk" tested?
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Been a bit since I rolled but I remember it being better than prewash. I almost always mixed with MDA though because I prefer it. Next time I have a chance to roll I'll give a report. Unfortunately I washed them out after I took the picture but I have more unwashed, I could potentially wash that.

Whatever it was, it was definitely the source of the smell. My guess is it was MDP2P and and some other stuff. This was the stuff that got washed by the aceton and IPA and went through the filter.
 
I think this is relevant to this thread, and I am curious for other people's comments.

Last night I smoked some weed for the first time in about 15 years. I had been avoiding it because of the phytoestrogen properties.

Anyway, I smoked some Indica.

I got more music enhancement from being minimally stoned than I have gotten off of any MehDMA. The songs took on that 4 dimensional quality that used to be common on MDMA. Typically, I just hear the surface of the song, but MDMA used to open up all of the background sounds, drums, backing vocals etc. The weed did the same thing.

Some of the songs that I played last night were the same songs I played the last time I rolled, and they sounded so much more enhanced and textured with the weed. They basically just sounded normal with the MehDMA.

For those of you who still have access to "magic" MDMA experiences...do you find the music enhancement from MDMA to be superior or similar to the music enhancement from weed? If your MDMA was not producing music enhancement to the same degree as weed, would you question your MDMA?
 
indigoaura said:
I think this is relevant to this thread, and I am curious for other people's comments.

Last night I smoked some weed for the first time in about 15 years. I had been avoiding it because of the phytoestrogen properties.

Anyway, I smoked some Indica.

I got more music enhancement from being minimally stoned than I have gotten off of any MehDMA. The songs took on that 4 dimensional quality that used to be common on MDMA. Typically, I just hear the surface of the song, but MDMA used to open up all of the background sounds, drums, backing vocals etc. The weed did the same thing.

Some of the songs that I played last night were the same songs I played the last time I rolled, and they sounded so much more enhanced and textured with the weed. They basically just sounded normal with the MehDMA.

For those of you who still have access to "magic" MDMA experiences...do you find the music enhancement from MDMA to be superior or similar to the music enhancement from weed? If your MDMA was not producing music enhancement to the same degree as weed, would you question your MDMA?
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So I know that feeling you speak of with cannabis and it was one of the main reasons I started using cannabis asa kid. Getting really high and listening to some older classic rock was amazing lol.

That said after 15+yrs of daily use I barely get that effect anymore...

But comparing to back then, yea MDMA was pretty on par with that feeling. I often can get a little antsy too if I’m at a good festival and amazing music is playing in the background, my desire to dance sometimes can’t be quelled easily.

You should start smoking more often to see if it has any effect when you try again. I’ve wondered if regular cannabis users get better more consistent effects than non users. It likely causes neurogenesis and protects against toxicity during.

-GC
 
Cannabis music enchantment on those lethal 25% thc sativa strains is like a full blown LSD trip at points visuals sounds insanely good. But i find a very good mdma roll is still a bit above but i usually smoke cannabis on mdma as soon it kicks in to take it to another level where i just melt into the couch and feel at one with the universe.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Cannabis music enchantment on those lethal 25% thc sativa strains is like a full blown LSD trip at points visuals sounds insanely good. But i find a very good mdma roll is still a bit above but i usually smoke cannabis on mdma as soon it kicks in to take it to another level where i just melt into the couch and feel at one with the universe.
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I always felt the same way about E being "above" weed in terms of, well, everything. I used to smoke quite a bit from 2000-2003. I was in a relationship at the time with a pothead. He smoked all day every day. So, I would come home from work and usually be handed a bong right when I walked in the door. At that time, I thought the musical effects of MDMA dwarfed the musical effects of weed. MDMA was the first drug I ever tried, I had never even been drunk before. So, when I tried weed for the first time after having already tried MDMA, I was not impressed at all. Weed seemed like a joke.

I was surprised this time around at just how enhanced the music was. Yes, there was a psychoactive element. My mind created worlds to coincide with each song, and each sound was associated with some scenery or person within the world. It was awesome.

@G_Chem Yeah, I was wondering if the weed will have any effect on my MDMA experiences. I will keep ya'll posted!
 
i find weed brings out a visual aspect of mdma especially CEVs. Relaxs you alot on the stimulation of the body high and jaw teeth grinding. Your lungs have so much power to smoke while on the mdma aswell so you can just take hit after hit makes the comedown alot easier. Really mixes together amazing. Weed without tolerance and these modern day strains will send you to outer space now.

Then you have edibles which damm the music is on another level compared to smoking and imo with no tolerance and a strong one will blow you away harder than like 3.5 g of cubensis. But i still feel like mdma especially for certain music genres tops it. Like fast beat psy tracks or drum and bass.
 
I’ve actually only rolled one time without cannabis (for the most part). I had tried to quit for awhile but was still smoking like a hit a week. I remember the roll actually not being as good even though it was some very good MDMA/MDA mix pills. Then when I got home I took one baby little rip and was getting like dissociated from my body, it wasn’t pleasant.

All my other experiences I’ve been high on cannabis, in fact I’m always high on cannabis lol.

-GC
 
indigoaura said:
People who came into Houston from out of town used to comment on the different quality of our ecstasy back in the 00s. They said it was more intense than what they found elsewhere. I wonder if this batch you have is the same as what was going around Houston. It sounds the same from your description. Do you think there is any chance this batch you have is a leuckart synth?
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Again as I've said several times we need to find out how meh is being made.we need to know route specific impurities. is it one method or several.
Until answered we just go round and round on this "what's the cause" merry-go-round
 
G_Chem said:
Indigo, I just thought too if this batch is Leuckart and I send it in, I could ask the lab to look for n-formyl-MDMA. This should be there in quantities hopefully visible to their analysis, and is unique to Leuckart.

One study for PMMA showed that there was 15-20% n-formyl-pmma when made via Leuckart. Extrapolating for MDMA, and it’s reasonable to think if it’s there and there looking well enough they’d find it.

-GC
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If sending anything for testing please ask for them to try and find out route specific information.this is far more valuable than finding out if it's testing positive for mdma
 
draculic acid69 said:
If sending anything for testing please ask for them to try and find out route specific information.this is far more valuable than finding out if it's testing positive for mdma
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I did :) asked them to look for Leuckart impurities than further specified n-formyl intermediates. I agree we need to push the labs to look a bit deeper and even give them direction.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
I did :) asked them to look for Leuckart impurities than further specified n-formyl intermediates. I agree we need to push the labs to look a bit deeper and even give them direction.

-GC
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Route specific impurities for all meh samples is needed.we also need to know if it's another method besides just leuckart.was this a meh or magic sample?
 
@draculic acid69 The meh samples that I sent in to Drugs Data previously were all supposed to have been made from safrole. The one that was tested once with IEC and I have to send off to IEC again for more in depth testing is also supposedly made from safrole with al hg reaction.
 
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