What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[G_Chem]

Well if reagents aren’t ever challenging...

Did a side by side of everything I got, noticed some patterns but overall I’d say inconclusive. It seemed the better products overall had a more bluish indigo purple whereas the lesser potential meh batches were reddish/brownish/purplish/black.

And then I by accident found how to make them react blue..

When a drop of Marquis is placed onto a plate, and the absolute tiniest amount of product is sprinkled over top, I was able to fairly often replicate a blue to black Marquis reaction with almost all the batches.

The better batches were more “radiant blue” whereas the lesser batches would produce more of a reddish purple even at the smaller amounts or more of weak grey blue.

Not sure what to make of all this...

Maybe the old 90’s EZ Test Marquis had a weaker concentration or something which slowed the reaction? Maybe the pills were weaker (unlikely)?

The thing too is when done in this fashion to produce the blue reaction it started first and remained for quite awhile eventually going to bluish black, the old reaction was straight to black followed by blue. So two different timelines.

While I feel this is the first time I could start to semi reliably see visual differences between batches, they were too slight IMO to be used by anyone to help determine product unless I can fine tune this somehow.

Long story short, I think this may be something. I can tell you from now on when I do Marquis in new product I’ll be more weary if there’s a reddish/brownish hue to Marquis.

-GC

 

[Jmoda]

On Meh I would rather silence, every time. I am a dancer, sober or on any drug, and on Meh not only does music not sound good, I don't want to listen to it, and I sure as fuck don't want to dance.

That seems absolutely crazy to me. What would even be the point of rolling then ha.

I get the not dancing part, i much prefer to sit and enjoy music or the show vs running into the crowd (always feels like i would need a stim with it in order to get in that mood)

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Concerning pupil dilation; I do not think this is a good way to judge between Meh and Magic. My pupils sometimes don't even dilate on LSD because I often times take it with a mild opioid like kratom. I've had pupil dilation on both Meh and Magic. Even without opioids it seems very random now. I don't just get this with these two substances. Various RCs known to dilate pupils sometimes don't do it to me. Sometimes they only dilate for parts of the trip/roll.

With opioids being so common now I wonder how many reports of pupils not dilating are just folks mixing MDMA with an opioid. Another thing to consider is Fent being such a common cut that it's showing up even in cocaine. I wouldn't doubt that some people are cutting crystal MDMA with Fent down the distribution line. These idiots are adding it to everything these days because they think it'll hook the customer faster.

 

[Negi]

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #8732 - Uber Eats, 8732

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result

www.drugsdata.org

Isn't this the pill referenced in this article?

Sci-Hub | | 10.1016/j.forsciint.2020.110332

Same design, different colors.

With opioids being so common now I wonder how many reports of pupils not dilating are just folks mixing MDMA with an opioid. Another thing to consider is Fent being such a common cut that it's showing up even in cocaine. I wouldn't doubt that some people are cutting crystal MDMA with Fent down the distribution line. These idiots are adding it to everything these days because they think it'll hook the customer faster.

A fentanyl/MDMA mix has never shown up on ecstasydata.org before, and they can certainly detect it. I've never seen a confirmed case of fentanyl contaminated MDMA. There have certainly been rumors and some deaths where the combination was claimed, but I've never seen one with a lab confirmation.

 

[G_Chem]

Same design, different colors.

The study says greyish green, those pills look grey one side green the other, or am I missing something?

Also based on the low MDMA dose and synthesis byproducts I’m assuming if they are different still from the same manufacturer.

-GC

 

[Negi]

The study says greyish green, those pills look grey one side green the other, or am I missing something?

Grey/Green vs Grey/Blue

I don't believe that the Korean paper ever mentioned the dose of MDMA in the pills. It would be interesting if someone with a academic looking email address could email the authors and ask, and someone could message the Swiss service and link the paper to see if the contaminates matched.

 

[indigoaura]

The study says greyish green, those pills look grey one side green the other, or am I missing something?

Also based on the low MDMA dose and synthesis byproducts I’m assuming if they are different still from the same manufacturer.

-GC

What I find interesting is that they can't identify those byproducts, they just know they are there.

 

[Negi]

What I find interesting is that they can't identify those byproducts, they just know they are there.

Looking at the results, the Swiss harm reduction sources never break out what the synthesis byproducts are. Even Energy Control just lumps stuff as that sometimes.

 

[psy997]

That seems absolutely crazy to me. What would even be the point of rolling then ha.

I get the not dancing part, i much prefer to sit and enjoy music or the show vs running into the crowd (always feels like i would need a stim with it in order to get in that mood)

Exactly. I pretty much refuse to take MDMA now because all it does is piss me off that it's such a bad experience. It's worse than sobriety for me.

I don't think you get the no dancing part, though. I dance no matter what. Meh makes me not want to dance. That is not normal for me. I don't need stimulants to dance.

 

[Chonciceptor]

@Chonciceptor Would you clarify for some of the newer participants in the thread what your history of use was (you and your wife) when you first encountered MehDMA? As I recall, you had the same situation as me to some extent. Your dealer quit or you lost touch, and then you were cut off from a reliable supplier, right? As I recall, you had a long history of use but your wife was new to MDMA, yet you both felt the same MehDMA feelings when you tried the new product. Previously it had been all sexy and wonderful, and the new stuff was just meh.

This is a very concise and accurate description, by the way: "Absolutely no dilated pupils, no euphoria, no closeness, not really interested in music or conversation, just felt cold and high."

I absolutely will. I was first introduced to ecstasy in 1998. Ithere was a major rave in the state between 98 and 2002 , then I was there. Airport 1&2, market hall 1-4, transit, you name it. actually I think the last rave I went to was Zen Fest, which was out in the middle of nowhere between Ft. Worth and Waco. Anyhow, every roll I ever took, unless it was a bogus roll, was absolute magic, and I think I only got gipped twice. The last ecstasy tab I took was July 2002, it was pure magic, but for some reason, while rolling, I got a severe headache and quit taking ecstasy, period. I did do other party drugs until 2005 and quit all together. Fast forward to 2011 and I meet my wife. She has never taken drugs, ever! A year into our relationship, We moved in together and she expressed interest in trying some ecstasy, since I had so many stories of partying and great experiences, etc.
Sadly, at this point in my life, I have absolutely no connections that I would even seriously consider. So, 2013 and I’m at work with a buddy and he lets slip that he’s getting some molly and I was like, what is that? He asked if I had ever heard of ecstasy and I was like, ya, that used to be my DOC! I asked if he’d mind getting me a few pills. He laughed and said, “ No pills, pure crystals.” Needless to say, my mind was blown. We conversed on what he could get for how much so I asked for a gram. I got 1 solid rock that weighed just over 2 grams, it was the size of a large marble. It was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Everything this guy got was like that. Let me also add that I have never ever been able to perform sexually on mdma from the past. So with that being said, for our first roll I acquired some cialis to see if that would help. We bought a scale and I measured out 125mg into veg caps until the rock was gone. We dosed at 9pm if memory serves. At 930 my wife was laying on the floor asking me how it was possible that she was able to fly! That’s not a joke, it took me 20 minutes to convince her that she was laying face down on our floor. This was hands down the best roll I had ever taken, and the cialis worked and we were crazy sex demons all night long, for 2 straight years we had this kind of fun on mdma. Every. Single. Time. Low and behold, my friends hook up dropped off the face of the planet owing us $200 worth of product. So, being resourceful, I turn to the darknet. Ever since, we have gotten nothing but mehdma from all over the world. And each roll is basically the same story. Also, cialis and viagra does not work with this stuff. So that the long version of our experiences.

 

[Chonciceptor]

Let me also add that with the product that my friend would get, we would do 2 solid redoses and roll for seriously 12 hrs straight, I just couldn’t believe the quality.

 

[G_Chem]

Let me also add that with the product that my friend would get, we would do 2 solid redoses and roll for seriously 12 hrs straight, I just couldn’t believe the quality.

Any visual, smell or taste differences? Is the product since then not big chunks?

-GC

 

[Chonciceptor]

We’ve gotten all shapes and sizes, no smell, visual, or taste differences at all, just quality of the roll itself.

 

[indigoaura]

Interesting. I just noticed the 2013/2014 parallel in @Chonciceptor's story too.

@G_Chem What was going on with production around that time?

Chonciceptor and I were probably eating the same pills, as we were both in the same area and going to raves at the same time. There were some amazing pills going around from 2000-2004. Chonciceptor, do you remember any of the presses you had from that time?

This is the kind of story that really cements the idea that it is a product issue. Would Chonciceptor and his wife really have both lost the magic at the exact same time, and at the exact same moment the product changed? They had no reason to believe the DW product would be subpar, so it doesn't make sense that it was mental suggestion either. I'm sure they both expected to have the same experience that they had before.

 

[G_Chem]

Interesting. I just noticed the 2013/2014 parallel in @Chonciceptor's story too.

@G_Chem What was going on with production around that time?

Chonciceptor and I were probably eating the same pills, as we were both in the same area and going to raves at the same time. There were some amazing pills going around from 2000-2004. Chonciceptor, do you remember any of the presses you had from that time?

This is the kind of story that really cements the idea that it is a product issue. Would Chonciceptor and his wife really have both lost the magic at the exact same time, and at the exact same moment the product changed? They had no reason to believe the DW product would be subpar, so it doesn't make sense that it was mental suggestion either. I'm sure they both expected to have the same experience that they had before.

I agree, when you see stories like this that coincide so well it’s impossible to not start asking questions.. We’ve seen lots of similarities between stories throughout our time here, too many to just throw out.


That’s a good question regarding production at this time.. Looking back it appears this is when production of MDMA really started back up in full gear. I’m thinking it was maybe Dutch product of origin but of much higher purity than as the years have gone by.

I remember people loving some of the early Dutch products, but like anything once you’ve got a market cornered usually quality drops. I’m sure even in those days therecwas “meh” product but probably less likely than today.

That’s my best guess...

So from around 07-13 my area had a local ecstasy pressing crew that is still today known as being the best domestic MDMA this country has ever seen. I’ve talked about them here before.

Around 12-13, lots of high quality MDMA shard began flooding the area and although the “synthesis” was better (that’s how we used to describe the differences in batches, called it a different “synth”) with the local presses, the price and potency of the shard outshined the local presses which at this point were kinda old news (people like new and exciting things.)

This shard was said to all be coming in from the Netherlands at that time. But based on the large amounts of beautiful shard MDA I kinda wonder if that was false since MDA is a Canadian product.

Whatever the case this influx of good shard wiped out the local production, and as far as I can see it hasn’t come back.

If I were to rate the years in my area based on quality and availability.. 5 out of 5, 5 being best.

05 - 3
06 - 3
07 - 3
08 - 2
09 - 1
10 - 1
11 - 3
12 - 4
13 - 5
14 - 5
15 - 4
16 - 5
17 - 5
18 - 3
19 - 4
20 - 1

-GC

 

[Chonciceptor]

Absolutely I do, the first roll I ever took were called green marshmallows, then I had double stacked blue monsters, white Mitsubishi’s, the best roll I had ever taken at the time though was Double Stacked Orange Tulips, they supposedly had mescaline, but I will say they had some crazy visuals, that’s for sure, I’m having trouble remembering any other names from that time though! Also rolls royces

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Ever the optimist, I had another go on the meh cola stuff last night.

Set and setting were the same as usual - me on my own in the kitchen. However, there was one significant difference this time - I wasnt absolutely hammered on vodka.

So I was curious to see if this would positively affect the quality of the 'roll'.

20:30 - Dissolved 150mg in water and necked it on an empty stomach.
21:15 - Started to feel it coming on so went for a shower. I love coming up in the shower.
21:30 - kicking in nicely. Actually had some pupil dilation, not massive but significant. Nystagmus was increasing in intensity along with some bruxism and slight nausea. "Perhaps this will be it" I thought to myself. Redosed another 80mg.

But alas, as with all meh product, it promises so much yet fails to deliver.

The come up was nice (as usual) but by 23:00 I was starting to face plant the kitchen table. At some point I redosed another 80mg which had absolutely no effect whatsoever. I should know by now that redoses do fuck all with meh product, I just can't help myself.

Sometime around midnight I was away with the fairies.

If anything, the lack of booze probably increased the waking duration by about an hour, but did bugger all for the quality.

I've just got to accept that meh is meh and there's fuck all you can do about it...

 

[indigoaura]

@F.U.B.A.R.

I also like coming up in the shower. Get some of that eucalyptus shower gel. Top notch!

You did one of the things I have thought about, which is to dissolve it in water first. I see that had no effect. Unfortunate.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

@F.U.B.A.R.

I also like coming up in the shower. Get some of that eucalyptus shower gel. Top notch!

You did one of the things I have thought about, which is to dissolve it in water first. I see that had no effect. Unfortunate.

Ooh, I like the sound of that eucalyptus shower gel, gonna score me some.

But yeh, I started dissolving it in water a while back in an attempt to get it to kick in quicker. I always used to bomb it but I dont think there's much difference really. I can feel the good stuff in 15 minutes - it's like a sudden shift in consciousness and i know it's going to be a good ride. But the meh stuff takes anything up to an hour to feel the first alerts. If it was in a hard pressed pill it would probably be a good 90 minutes before anything happened.

 

[indigoaura]

But yeh, I started dissolving it in water a while back in an attempt to get it to kick in quicker. I always used to bomb it but I dont think there's much difference really. I can feel the good stuff in 15 minutes - it's like a sudden shift in consciousness and i know it's going to be a good ride. But the meh stuff takes anything up to an hour to feel the first alerts. If it was in a hard pressed pill it would probably be a good 90 minutes before anything happened.

I used to always come up about 15-20 minutes in. By the 30 minute point, I was feeling it intensely. If I did not, then I knew something was wrong with the pills. With the meh, I agree, it is more like 45 min-60 min before the come up really occurs.