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I think the whole idea of pikhal was so even if everything got banned it would still be out there for a dedicated chemist to make the more special compounds. Alot of those precursors are still sold by the RC wholesale lab. Eastern europe is also very corrupt and drug makers could move operations there and pay off the government if they were truly desperate to make a few compounds.
 
Yeah, but in practice what happens is that banned compounds fall out of public availability, like 2C-T-7, methylone and mephedrone did, like 4-FA is doing, and apparently also MXE, and many others.
 
methylone and mepherdrone are still made in huge amounts here. One guy was even synthesizing DOM and DOC here a few years ago til his operation got busted.

2C-e might start up here depending on what this underground chemist is doing with his 2cb and peoples demand for other products.

It just ends up becoming very niche products that will go to the darker corners of the web in small amounts or on the streets in small circles and limited to people who have the means to acquire difficult precursors. I know in australia aswell they have many RC's been made locally in some states. Alot of million dollar drug operations are now been run by young adults in their 20's all due to the darknet in the OCE.
 
Working_Class said:
Does anyone here have experience with any of the mescaline analogues?
MAL, PAL and... gotta look this last one up too! I'm going senile!
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MAL was great--about as good as mescaline in my book, but different. I can't vouch for the safety profile being as forgiving as the OG, though. It's dreamy rather than crystal clear, and it's got a surging body energy and eroticism about it.

They all have their fans, but most thing that the other common ones were duds. Proscaline I didn't care for, although a friend appreciated it okay. Allylescaline didn't sound good anywhere I saw reports. Some people really liked escaline in very high doses (like 2C-D) but most people dosing at normal levels thought it was bland. 3C-E and 3C-P are...complicated. I wouldn't compare them directly to the other mescalogues. Cyclopropylmescaline sounded great, but I never saw it in the wild. The weirder NBOx/FLY/whatever variants I can't speak to.

PAL? That's a new one to me, too.
 
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Did some 4-FA tonight, first time, kinda on a whim, but okay. It was fun, all I can say :)

I don't know what would be the best use for the drug, doesn't make me overly chatty or lovey, isn't too stimulating, just very smooth and long. Mixed feelings, because I'm missing like a magic touch. The mellow headspace could use either more serotonin, orrr more interestingly: a psychedelic. Some of the 2C-x must mix wonderfully I'm sure, specifically 2C-C or 2C-D. Or maybe I'm wrong all together and I should just dose higher next time.

Calling 2C-D bland I don't agree with, I suspect it stems from an apparent neutral vibe to it, but there can be value in that too! It's like a pure phenethylamine experience, allowing your mind to travel at a calm pace to where ever you desire, backtrack on your thoughts here and there, quite visual too. :) But I've never gone above 50mg on it, so I might be misjudging it's real character.

Written on a semi high dose of etizolam, deep sleep incoming :sleep:
 
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I once combined 4-FA and 4-HO-MET and experienced incredibly profound euphoria, it was insane, but ended up with a horrific stomach ache that almost made me call 911 it was so horrible... so not worth the high and it lasted for like 6 hours after the peak. Dunno if it was unrelated but it seemed like it must be related. So I never tried to repeat the combo. Never had anything like that from either of those two drugs alone or in any other combinations with other things with either one.
 
I'd love to try it, but I'm just too nervous about the possible neurotoxicity of fluoridated amphetamines (well, the serotonin releasers at least.) Buzz, did you say you've never had 2C-B? But you've had 2C-D and 2C-C? Or was that someone else?
 
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I actually love 4-FA, one of my faves. Pretty euphoric, and I found it to be considerably serotonergic. What was your dose?
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80mg oral, 50mg snorted.

Pfafffed said:
I'd love to try it, but I'm just too nervous about the possible neurotoxicity of fluoridated amphetamines (well, the serotonin releasers at least.) Buzz, did you say you've never had 2C-B? But you've had 2C-D and 2C-C? Or was that someone else?
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I've had 2C-B, cool stuff. It's the 2C-T-x that I've never been able to try
 


Today, is a beer drinking pillow fort kinda day. Skipping studying, might do some 4-HO-DiPT to know a little bit more about that one. So far only done a 1 mg test, a 5 mg test, and today will be 10 I think.

Also, we're watching the monster universe in our pillow fort. My GF turned 30 yesterday so we're livin' it up!
 
I took 10 mg (4-HO-DiPT) and waited for the effects to develop. After 60 mins, it felt as full on as it was going to get. Color saturation, physical stimulation and interesting physical sensations were a pretty prevalent theme. Took another 5 mg at 80 mins in and it seems to have stalled the comedown, I could see this one being really intense at higher doses. At the 3 hour mark, somewhat unremarkable but still entertaining, on the downward slope for this experience. A novelty that fit the day well.
 
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I took 10 mg (4-HO-DiPT) and waited for the effects to develop. After 60 mins, it felt as full on as it was going to get. Color saturation, physical stimulation and interesting physical sensations were a pretty prevalent theme. Took another 5 mg at 80 mins in and it seems to have stalled the comedown, I could see this one being really intense at higher doses. At the 3 hour mark, somewhat unremarkable but still entertaining, on the downward slope for this experience. A novelty that fit the day well.
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I have taken 4-HO-DiPT once, it was like the 4th psychedelic I tried, back in 2005 when I hadn't tripped much yet and was having really powerful trips and was not hardheaded at all yet (as an aside, I am getting increasingly more sensitive to psychedelics these days, after getting less and less sensitive to them for a long time), and I took I think 20mg and it seemed so transparent and weak, I didn't get much from it.
 
had quite a old guy who lives on the street at his ex girlfriends house from way back in time on the yard in his van come over outside and randomly talking. Was quite funny he was saying he has been doing meditation for 20 years now and all lockdown and that he got a thought that what if our consciouness is just a hologram of light or something and this is all fake. I didn't mention psychedelic drugs but i might talk to him more and see if he has done them before then probably give him some free lsd to have some meditation and thinking on. Such a random dude to meet he must be in his 60s and im pretty sure the way he was talking he must of done a bit of acid in his youth.
 
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I have taken 4-HO-DiPT once, it was like the 4th psychedelic I tried, back in 2005 when I hadn't tripped much yet and was having really powerful trips and was not hardheaded at all yet (as an aside, I am getting increasingly more sensitive to psychedelics these days, after getting less and less sensitive to them for a long time), and I took I think 20mg and it seemed so transparent and weak, I didn't get much from it.
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Yeah for what it was worth, I don't think I would take it by choice again really even at a higher level other than possibly....for science. The peripheral side effects after the initial anticipated / intended effects were definitely more pronounced than I would have liked. The bodily Sensations are kind of cool but there is a multitude of other drugs which, in terms of the total net effect would cause less peripheral side effects. The one I just couldn't ignore was the Quickend heart rate and definitely harder heartbeat by about the 4th to 6th hrs, didn't bother with blood pressure this time, was just relaxing in the pillow fort. It was probably just transient vasoconstriction. I've never tried 5-MEO-DiPT, but I would imagine it's got some character similarities with a bit more "get up and go" to it. I'm curious about the 5-MEO's but also hearing about the prevalence of unwanted sides, have avoided them so far
 
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