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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

Here in frankfurt you literally get benzos thrown after you. Mad cheap. 100x 2 mg clonazepam for 30-40€. Very easy to get from private doctors aswell,but unlike opioids bezos are very cheap at the pharmacy even with private script. I believe you pay 15 € for 100x 2 mg clonazepam at the pharmacy.

This seems to be the case in any country except the UK. We're ridiculously strict with benzos not for any actual medical reason but because doctors got sued for throwing Valium at everyone and getting them addicted in the 90's and lost so now they've made it very difficult to get a new script even if you have severe anxiety.

Kind of like the opiate situation in the US right now, they went from overprescribing to underprescribing.

Why can't they ever just find a happy medium with these things eh?

I've heard they script benzos real easy in France too. Even in Turkey which you'd expect to be stricter, the docs apparently chuck Xanax around. It's just the UK alone in being absurdly strict with them.

The NHS doesn't even script alprazolam at all. As in it is not an approved drug. You can only get it from private doctors and even then the maximum dose tablet available is 0.5mg.

And yet they don't make 1mg clonazepam here, just 0.5mg or 2mg.

Makes fuck all sense to me...

However benzos are cheap at the pharmacy with a private script here too. Because they're all generics that are easy to synth I imagine. I paid a fiver for a box of diazepam when I first got my script. Cheaper than the NHS prescription charge.

But hey speaking of the French and Xanax, this is good for a laugh:

 
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A Private Prescription charge is whatever the cost of the drug is, so say if it costs 10 pence per pill and you have a box of 28, your charge would be £2.80 plus the fee the Pharmacist/Dispensary charges, which the BMA sets at £15.50, but the practice can charge whatever they like in reality.
 
This seems to be the case in any country except the UK. We're ridiculously strict with benzos not for any actual medical reason but because doctors got sued for throwing Valium at everyone and getting them addicted in the 90's and lost so now they've made it very difficult to get a new script even if you have severe anxiety.

Kind of like the opiate situation in the US right now, they went from overprescribing to underprescribing.

Why can't they ever just find a happy medium with these things eh?

I've heard they script benzos real easy in France too. Even in Turkey which you'd expect to be stricter, the docs apparently chuck Xanax around. It's just the UK alone in being absurdly strict with them.

The NHS doesn't even script alprazolam at all. As in it is not an approved drug. You can only get it from private doctors and even then the maximum dose tablet available is 0.5mg.

And yet they don't make 1mg clonazepam here, just 0.5mg or 2mg.

Makes fuck all sense to me...

However benzos are cheap at the pharmacy with a private script here too. Because they're all generics that are easy to synth I imagine. I paid a fiver for a box of diazepam when I first got my script. Cheaper than the NHS prescription charge.

But hey speaking of the French and Xanax, this is good for a laugh:


benzos are mad cheap in synthesis.They are fully synthetic and therefore dont require expensive precursors like oxycodone or hydromorphone does. Also most of them are pretty potent and are active in the low mg range,So say so have dirt cheap precursor which costs like10-20 pounds per kg and you turn it into clonazepam in 2-3 steps with 40% yield. So now you have 400 grams of clonazepam which translates into 200.000 2 mg pills,which you sell in wholesale at like 5 pounds per 100 pieces. So now you have made 10 thousand pounds from these pills as a manufacturer.
m glad i dont have to pay my morphine myself. Its way more expensive than a private methadone script.A box of 90 x 200 mg substitol(morphine sulphate) pills costs 220€. I get 35 200 g pills and 7 100 mg pills very week so i would have to pay roughly 350 € per month to pay for my morphine. At the moment i pay 10 € per script per week.

I dont understand why they would stop the diamorphine program in the UK. I mean its expensive compared to methadone treatment, but it is much more effective and junkies make up only a tiny fraction of the population, so in total the costs arent that high.All those pensioned people who run to the doctor 3 times a week and getting loads of prescription drugs each are 100x more expensive for the welfare state,especially lookin at the demographic change thats coming.More old people= more sick people which translates into much more costs for the healthcare system.

I find it ridiculous that the parliament in germany and uk still hold on to the current pension system. It was clear that it doesnt work,this was known when it was introduced back then,because the dempgraphic change thats coming on us was known back then aswell. Im all for a welfare state,but it has to be even remotely fair and im not willing to pay into the pension fund when im not getting back even close the amount i paid. Im not willing to pay for people who always bought a big car and failed to provide a private pension fund for themselves.
The situation wouldnt get so dramatic in the future,if the state workersa would pay in the pension fund aswell,but they dont.They get tax financed pension which is actually 25% higher in average than the normal pension.
Just turn into full private and provide free food for those people who fucked up. My father always lived a very modest life,never spend much. His car costs 2500€,yet he has 4 apartments he owns.Most people instead of buying stuff that actually help you to gain profit and help you to secure a good pension,they buy a fucking audi a8 or a big SUV which costs 100k+.I would never buy a car like this,even if i had a few millions. If i had 50+ millions, i would buy a car like that,because then its not a big share of my money. But when i have 3 million i dont buy a car for 200k but i buy a apartment which pays itself after 20 years and which i can give to my kids later
 
Will a private doctor just write a script right off without having to hear how much terrible pain I'm in etc?
 
Why do you pay so little?
Because its not private.
Will a private doctor just write a script right off without having to hear how much terrible pain I'm in etc?
Not every private pain doctor does that in my experience.Just try a few till you find one.Then let yourself script what you want,aim for extended release generics where the extended release mechanism is easily broken up. One examle are zomorph morphine capsules in the uk. Doctors tend to not want to prescribe IR medicine like oramorph in high concentration(20 mg/ml).
Another good one are the 24 mg hydromorphone capsules,which are easily dissolved in water.
The thing is that its not really more cheap than when you buy on the street in bulk. Thats why if u gonna do it, aim for gems which are not easily found.
 
Not every private pain doctor does that in my experience.Just try a few till you find one.Then let yourself script what you want,aim for extended release generics where the extended release mechanism is easily broken up. One examle are zomorph morphine capsules in the uk. Doctors tend to not want to prescribe IR medicine like oramorph in high concentration(20 mg/ml).
Another good one are the 24 mg hydromorphone capsules,which are easily dissolved in water.
The thing is that its not really more cheap than when you buy on the street in bulk. Thats why if u gonna do it, aim for gems which are not easily found.

I can only get this nasty cut gear atm & I'm not a fan of it to say the least & with this Brexit thing coming up I can see a huge dry spell coming up that will equal anything that I went through in the last drought when the DEA sprayed the Afghan crop & the gear cooked up with a weird sand stuff in the bottom & if smoked tasted of TCP.

If I can get a decent medical grade score I'm all over it I swear.
 
The Drug Prohibition in its whole is the biggest bullshit ever done, and people never learn out of history.I heard people talking about how bad drugs are and talking about how the blacked out on alcohol and slept in their vomit only 5 mins apart. The alcohol is the best example of why prohibition doesnt work. Watched a 3 hour documentary about it and people in this documentary came up with this hard stances against the prohibition like saying "why would the state interfere in how i life" yet when talking about opioid prohibition people support it all over again.

Fentanyl is a product of the drug prohibition,the whole black market is. The drug probition alone costs America 80 billion every year.This money could be invested in providing registered heroin addicts pure,cheap(or free) heroin. Since they introduced the diamorphine program here in frankfurt,the shoplifting rate has gone done by nearly 5 % and also the overdose rate has gone down.People get their heroin in a preloaded rig,give the shot themselfes in a controlled space,where doctors and social workers observes if somebody goes over.

Prohibition did never work and will never work. People consume drugs that will never change and if a substance is legal or not doesnt change the amount of people who take the substance
 
you could aim for the morphine 100% an oxy habit would turn out to be too expensive
Yeah aim for the zomorph capsules. They are cheaper at the pharmacy than oxy i believe. Morphine builds up tolerance slower than oxy and lasts longer and the high is identical to heroin almost(if u brake the extended release mechanism)
 
I've seen a lot of very light looking Fentanyl / Carfentanyl stuff up here atm.
You can get a nod from smoking, but you need to be gentle with the flame and most of the time it needs combining with other CNS depressants WHICH YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T DO!!!! - But those who know their tolerance will know if they're going overboard ;)

When I first came here I said I'd never IV, obviously many said that I should "just wait", yet still I have never done so :) I'm not having a go at those who do: It's a personal choice that got... well... out of hand innit.
But it sounds like another purpose of the Fent cut is to get more peeps on the pin perhaps? :confused:
Total speculation there.

p.s. Nice one @Zopiclone bandit !!! Keep it up and try give yer nose a break :D
p.p.s. @Inso - Really nice to see you around mate :)
Yeah I can eat..... god knows how much Codeine and all it can do is keep the WDs at bay (I'm lucky in that regard), but they may as well be misshapen jelly babies, just not as fruity and delicious :cautious:
 
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I've seen a lot of very light looking Fentanyl / Carfentanyl stuff up here atm.
You can get a nod from smoking, but you need to be gentle with the flame and most of the time it needs combining with other CNS depressants WHICH YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T DO!!!! - But those who know their tolerance will know if they're going overboard ;)

When I first came here I said I'd never IV, obviously many said that I should "just wait", yet still I have never done so :) I'm not having a go at those who do: It's a personal choice that got... well... out of hand innit.
But it sounds like another purpose of the Fent cut is to get more peeps on the pin perhaps? :confused:
Total speculation there.

p.s. Nice one @Zopiclone bandit !!! Keep it up and try give yer nose a break :D
p.p.s. @Inso - Really nice to see you around mate :)
Yeah I can eat..... god knows how much Codeine and all it can do is keep the WDs at bay (I'm lucky in that regard), but they may as well be misshapen jelly babies, just not as fruity and delicious :cautious:
The purpose of the fent cut is to maximize profit by a big margin. Fent is dirt cheap,1kg goes for about 20 k on the DN. 20 mg cut into 980 mg milk sugar is just as strong as one gram 100% diamorphine. So 5-10 mg of fentanyl cut into a gram very weak heroin is enough to make it super strong stuff.
10 mg fentanyl costs about 20 cents if you buy the fentanyl in bulk. If you dont buy it in bulk it costs about 3 times more,so 60 cents.
Fentanyl has a much higher affinity to the ooioid receptors than heroin does. Its very hard on the respiratory system and is very sedating and very strong but not very euphoric
 
I put two of my butrans patches on one week, the GP found out now I have to collect one each week rather than four for the month. I'm in the doghouse ?

I would never seek it out, but out of interest I'm wondering how Heroin compares to other opiates for actual pain relief?
 
I put two of my butrans patches on one week, the GP found out now I have to collect one each week rather than four for the month. I'm in the doghouse ?

I would never seek it out, but out of interest I'm wondering how Heroin compares to other opiates for actual pain relief?
much better for pail than burpenrophine at least
 
How did they even find out?

I had already packed another one on one evening when I couldn't take the pain any more, so had to tell GP because I'd be one short last week of the month. I had looked up the opiate conversion Butrans -> Oramorph and seen that 20mcg/hr (two patches) is equivalent to 40mg daily Oramorph. I was on 60mg daily Oramorph before so I figured how could two patches be dangerous?

I was scolded like a naughty child, told I could die in my sleep, etc. The paranoia about opiates at my gp surgery is next level
 
I'd like to add that I know more about opiate dosing than my GP by reading the first page on Google. Cunts.

Anyway, on topic, how's the Heroin going folks? ☺️

I've never taken it but have a strange, morbid fascination with the concept.
 
The clown I usually go to has refused to give me bag till tomorrow & his the guy I've been going to quite a bit.
I'm starting to feel ill, how bad is that Fent stuff to kick with nothing to help you?

I'm feeling it as I sit here now & my legs are hurting inside the bone as it is & it's only just started, I got a feeling I'm going to be sick today & it is all this moron's fault.
I'm never scoring off him again I swear to God, to hell with him & his deadly bashed up gear, he can stick it up his arse.
 
Oh it is fucking funny you prick @PUGinaRUG huh?
I hope you burn to death while chocking on cock!!!!!!!

@F.U.B.A.R. Ban this moron, this isn't fucking funny & my temper is starting to get really thin right now.
 
Well that just shows you the quality of some EADD / BL posters imho.
I'd NEVER take the piss outta someone who's in my boat but I guess you are a sick in the mind fucker OR have NO IDEA what it feels like, that is IMHO equal to laughing at someone who has just got brutally hurt. I swear to God if you think it is funny you prick you need mental help & god help you if I ever catch hold of you I swear I'll knock your teeth down your throat so you shit them out for a week.

You really are a total cunt, I hope you suffer in the most horrific way.
In all my time on the gear I'VE NEVER laughed at ANYONE sick, you really are retarded, I bet you laugh when cats get run over too.
 
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