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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Five

For me at higher doses it gets more of a dreamy head space to it where it feels relaxing and and kind of dream/sedating type of feel. I always come up fast and hard on this. The first 2 hrs usually are intense and i feel better just laying there checking out thr CEV. Then it mellows out for the next couple hrs and is like a regular trip. I havent done it in a while but its the only psych that produces that body buzz sensation thats very euphoric in a deep way for me . ofcourse dmt does that also. Im accustom to that clean clear ald-52 body load these days. My recent 4-aco-dmt trip was uncomfortable with the intense body buzzing and dmt'ish quality.
 
Yeah I also find the first couple of hours to be very intense with this. To me the first part feels like oral smoked DMT - it has the same high-frequency buzzing and discombobulating effects, and chaotic headspace, but obviously isn't nearly as fast or overwhelming as actually smoking DMT. I find it rather uncomfortable and quite socially difficult. Then the second half feels very much like mushrooms, it really changes gears.
 
It was a long time since my last time with 4-aco-dmt, but yesterday I decided to take 23mg.

That was intense as fuck, I was in the verge of a bad trip for 2 hours because of the body load, I had stomach pain, yawning, nausea, tremors, and a lot of peeing and shitting was done. What a purge! The trip itself was very soft, without nearly visuals, and once the body load subsided I was left with a lot of thought loops, and was drifting between closed and open eyes, with a lot of body temperature fluctuations, and without beeing able to focus on anything.

It was nice, I needed something like that as I was abusing the shit out of my stash lately and the 4-aco-dmt showed me that I need to take a break. But for recretional purposes 4-ho-met is better, and I missed combining this with a disso in order to don't give a fuck about the body load.
 
My only experience with this was 30 mg and it was enjoyable as fuck, very intense indeed. I had a friend next to me "trip sitting" which probably made it less intense than I wanted but yeah, I want to try this again. Preferably with a dissociative!
 
I have always been a big fan of this one but after taking 20mg of 4-aco-dmt with 15mg of 4-aco-met in combination I will never take either alone again. Tears of joy, euphoria and rushes like I have never experienced before on any substance in the past 15 years of experimenting. Was a perfect dose for me but as will all combos ensure you are experienced with both first. I personally can't see myself having a bad one on this but it could be overwhelming in the wrong setting. I will be try this at lower dosages at a festival.
 
Yeah I combined 4-AcO-DMT (35mg) and 4-HO-MET (10mg) once and it was one of the best trips ever, so enveloping and euphoric and dreamy.
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah I combined 4-AcO-DMT (35mg) and 4-HO-MET (10mg) once and it was one of the best trips ever, so enveloping and euphoric and dreamy.
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It was actually your post that inspired me to try the two aco's together, I found they fit so well. It was the euphoria that made this one an unforgettable experience. I have pushed MDMA to silly levels as a naive teen and never felt like that. I also felt slightly disassociated.

Hi I will try it with 4-HO-MET as well but I find the come up a bit more jarring with the 4-HO. Too many possible ratios, not enough time.

I have been been trying to find a suitable way to find the best ratio for these combos but there are too many variables.
 
How does tolerance with this work? Can it be dosed consecutive days? Is it just a matter of needing a larger dose, or does the experience qualitatively change if you don't give your brain a chance to recalibrate between experiences?
 
DroneLore said:
How does tolerance with this work? Can it be dosed consecutive days? Is it just a matter of needing a larger dose, or does the experience qualitatively change if you don't give your brain a chance to recalibrate between experiences?
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I think you knew all the answers already :)

-Similar tolerance to those of mushrooms or acid and observed cross-tolerance to other psychedelics.
-You can dose on consecutive days but it will require upping the dosage.
-The experience will be qualitatively diminished if taking on consecutive days, especially after breakthrough trips.

Good luck and be safe! ;)
 
I took 15mg yesterday sublingually but it felt underwhelming so I redosed +30mg insufflated three hours later, the trip was very good at that point and lasted a solid 4 hours. Is it normal that 45mg had a moderate effect on me? This is 4-AcO-DMT fumarate from <snip>. It felt just like mushrooms to me but I don't feel the magical afterglow today. I suppose this has to do with the other tryptamines/alkyloids in mushrooms. Oh well, at least there's no nausea.
 
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Please, no sourcing Hyperflux, I suggest correcting your post ASAP!

Also, its not unusual to be a hard head for certain psychedelics, could also have something to do with what you ate that day and how your immune system was, e.t.c.

Next time I'd suggest for you to take 30-35mg orally dissolved in acidic juice if you want effects to come in faster and stronger! ;)
 
What's the tolerance like with 4-AcO-DMT and compared with other lysergamides 7 days later? Do you simply need to take 120% of the original dose to get the same effect as per the logarithmic chart on Bluelight?
 
Probably something like that, but that won't guarantee "the magic", which usually just needs time to replenish.
 
Can someone describe the dose response curve and what's considered a low, medium, and high dose? I haven't taken more than 15mg, and I wonder how much more intense it gets? Do higher doses make the body load better or worse? I IVed 13mg and that was really fucking intense. What do you think the equivalent of that would be for an oral dose?
 
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Probably something like that, but that won't guarantee "the magic", which usually just needs time to replenish.
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What do you mean by "the magic", is this just a subjective effect or is it a real objective effect? I dosed 45mg nine days ago and 72mg a couple days ago (both insufflated), I didn't perceive any loss in "magic". The 72mg dose should have felt like ~60mg, and I think that was correct based on subjective experience. It lasted longer than usual though, 7 hours even though I snorted it. I also took curcumin and noopept that day though so maybe it has something to do with it.
 
Of course "The magic" is a pretty subjective term.
It is generally noted that for most people, the more often you trip the less "meaningful" the trips feel. You can up the dose and consistently get visuals, music enhancement, pleasurable body sensations, thoughtloops, mindfuck, you name it ...
But the sense of wonder and radical perspective shifts become rarer if you keep tripping regularly.

Most people cite a month in between trips to keep them feeling insightful, in my personal experience even tripping once a month for an extended period ends up making the psychedelic experience feel trivial. Taking breaks here and there is adviced, I took three months off tripping and had a pretty nice comeback a few days ago.
 
I understand the loss of magic, but can't say i've ever acutely noticed it even with a high frequency of tripping. I've noticed it can happen easily with 'Ecstasy' but then again, if my most magical roll was on a pill with 100mg MDMA, 90mg MDA and 10mg methamp, and then i take a 200mg MDMA pill it will certainly feel less magical.

4-aco-dmt seems to retain it's effect profile really well for me, I can theoretically dose several times a week and have great experiences, whereas with LSD the second trip in a week will provide a nasty body load trip.
 
Anyone experience brain zaps and or feeling like you may pass out? Iv heard that passing out on mushrooms does happen fairly often just havnt heard the same with this. I really want to push this one further (been up to 30mg) but the last time I kept getting brain zaps and extreme light headedness and dizziness.

I love the short duration of this one and find it has given me some of the most significant trips but Im quite worried that if I push it much higher there may be a chance i could have some sort of siezure or worse.

Incase it matters, the material I have is quite degraded and looks like black tar. Still just as potent as white powder batches I've tried.

Any info on this?
 
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