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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Five

Ballz_Trippington said:
5mg might do something depending on your tolerance and or sensitivity to the compound.
It is truly amazing combined with MDMA
Just like mushrooms and MDMA is amazing.
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So what do you think that low dose (5mg - 10mg) of 4-AcO-DMT combined with, say, 125mg MDMA would feel like?
 
Planning to take 30mg 4-aco-dmt and 10mg 4-ho-met on Thursday. Going to do the quiet in the dark thing and meditate and see what comes up. I've had been getting pretty depressed and feeling anxious in my body. Ready to hit the reset button. I've been journaling about my intentions and really want to go into this open and hopeful.
 
It went pretty well :)

I ended up a bit over 30mg on 4acodmt and about 16mg 4homet. Ate just a scrambled egg and dosed about an hour later. Alerts at 20 min and ++ at 45min.

I was hoping to go a lot deeper but I just couldn't break through. OEV never really manifested but CEV were pretty intricate. I figured the hefty dose would get me there, especially since 20mg of this 4homet has been spectacular. I haven't taken this batch of 4acodmt over 10 mg though. I did bump tiny bits of 2c-e a week before but probably only 3mg total... So maybe tolerance was a facto, maybe a shitty synth (odor and taste are pretty weak and the peripheral effects were not great, I had vasoconstriction in my toes which I don't remember ever getting with tryptamines).

I spent a good bit of the time not very comfortable and actually wanting it to be over. I got in the bath which was nice for a while but was super restless. Decided to go for a run and that dispelled a lot of tension. I spent the early part of the trip and the run trying to "go into" the fear and anxiety I've been dealing with. To be honest I think that may be the reason for the discomfort, universal love and acceptance were not the purpose of this one. I confronted some selfish decisions and self-denial that have been simmering below the surface. I did some figurative and literal throwing away of a bunch of bullshit that I have been clinging to. I definitely felt like I was doing some honest hard work. And I can say that my physical anxious symptoms have calmed quite a bit.

One really interesting thing. I became acutely aware of how often my inner monologue consists of rehearsing how I would say something to one person or another, or how I would post a thought somewhere online. This got me in some recursive loops of rehearsing the description of the rehearsal in some other context. I feel kind of rewired to practice a different kind of empty mind in which i dismiss conceptions of external expression/judgement of my feelings and thoughts and just be with them. It is not easy.

I read the Tao Te Ching #10 (Ursula Le Guin's). It is so beautiful. "Can you keep the deep water still and clear, without blurring "

And this, as a parent, hot damn

"To give birth, to nourish, to bear and not to own, to act and not lay claim, to lead and not to rule: this is mysterious power."
 
So I've been relatively clean the last 60 days or so, and today, after getting all the important stuff of the week done, having been paid, and then paid my bills, and having no weed, or anything else but a plethora of 4-aco-dmt around, I found myself wanting to get high, but still too afraid IV 4ACO-DMT again. It was really such an absolute brain-melting and psych-dissolving rush that my memory serves as an effective resistance to ever trying it again. Wow.... And to think I had IV'd 50mg of it 3 days in a row. And then, when I consider the way it was IV, now I'm even a bit put off of eating the stuff. Maybe someday. In the meantime, I guess there's this bottle of Evan Williams.
 
^^^ It does, but it's no Brawndo. Orally, it just doesn't got what plants crave. jk (at least at the time) The whiskey was good. Ended up raking leaves for my friend across the street, whose cancer, and its treatment, has left him in a bad way, especially this week. Glad I didn't mess with the stuff today.
 
Could anyone help me determine if I have furmate or not? Its very light tan and very fine but kinda fluffy. I got it from *snip*, but they dont specifiy if its furmate or freebase.

It looks just like this photo (not my photo): http://i.imgur.com/Ux3fAjL.jpg
 
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Just A Guy said:
So I've been relatively clean the last 60 days or so, and today, after getting all the important stuff of the week done, having been paid, and then paid my bills, and having no weed, or anything else but a plethora of 4-aco-dmt around, I found myself wanting to get high, but still too afraid IV 4ACO-DMT again. It was really such an absolute brain-melting and psych-dissolving rush that my memory serves as an effective resistance to ever trying it again. Wow.... And to think I had IV'd 50mg of it 3 days in a row. And then, when I consider the way it was IV, now I'm even a bit put off of eating the stuff. Maybe someday. In the meantime, I guess there's this bottle of Evan Williams.
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Yeah IV 4-Aco-DMT is a different beast all together. After my last trip, I haven't done it again since. Scared the living shit out of me. What was weird was there was a happy afterglow, which only lasted about 12 hours. But after that wore off, I started really thinking about that trip and got anxiety about things, like death and stuff. Never have I been scared of death (so I thought)

Anyways... yeah a break from tripping was much needed. So that's about where I am now with it
 
Acideater69 said:
Could anyone help me determine if I have furmate or not? Its very light tan and very fine but kinda fluffy. I got it from *snip*, but they dont specifiy if its furmate or freebase.

It looks just like this photo (not my photo): http://i.imgur.com/Ux3fAjL.jpg
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I have some that I received as a sample. And it looked exactly like that. It was the HCL. The vendor always had the furmate kind, and it was usually white powder. Then sent me sample of HCL and that's what it looked like. But I have heard of psilacetin looking all kinds of ways.
So to be safe you should send the vendor an email and ask. :-)
 
I'm interested in the 4-ACO-DMT and 4-HO-MET combo. On it's own I find 4-HO-MET far too stimulating and edgy for me but I love how visual it is even at low doses, it has the magic fairytale sparkle to it that liberty caps have and cubensis tends not to have. I wonder if the 4-ACO-DMT would take the stimulated edge out of it?
 
Probably. I used to do combinations with 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-MET. Amazing combo. 4-AcO-MET wires you so you're not too sedated from the 4-AcO-DMT, but 4-AcO-DMT also takes the edge off of 4-AcO-MET's stimulating properties.

The visuals on this combo are to die for as well.
 
MocCozmiK said:
Yeah IV 4-Aco-DMT is a different beast all together. After my last trip, I haven't done it again since. Scared the living shit out of me. What was weird was there was a happy afterglow, which only lasted about 12 hours. But after that wore off, I started really thinking about that trip and got anxiety about things, like death and stuff. Never have I been scared of death (so I thought)

Anyways... yeah a break from tripping was much needed. So that's about where I am now with it
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Definitely one of the only substances I have actually followed my better judgement on (how often will I experiment knowing the risks?) -- the risks really seem ominous -- that body load... I remember reaching a higher frequency with IV 4-aco-dmt; my perception was 256-bit, at 1200 frames per second, and I could hear things that I'd never noticed before, and seen things with such dynamic resolution. It upped my existence but at the risk of leaving one kind for another...

Edit: Also...under this substance's influence, I feel like I'm turning into a lizard. Like a reptile in me is taking control.

MocCozmiK said:
Has anyone ever IVed 4-aCo-DMT and the rush hit so instantly it was insane. I've done it many times and this trip yesterday was nuts. Instantly I felt I had to get my sweatshirt on. Ran outside and put my animals back in the house. I felt something was after me. Usually I feel a female presence. Not this time it was something of male presence. I had to get the animals inside because he was outside. But I refused to be afraid of it. It was about 6;30 in the evening. Sun was going down. I was sitting in my back yard and the grass and bushes with small white flower looked as if they were putting on a show for me. They were colorful and dancing. I needed my earbuds. I couldn't find them. I wasn't getting up because to mesmerized by the dancing in the yard.
I had forgotten about that sinister male presence. But I started hearing things yelling at me from a far. Not saying nice things to me. But i was ignoring it. I tried to smoke a cigeratte but my hands looked like a plastic blow up dolls.
What the fuck? The cigeratte felt so light and empty. I was having trouble holding it with my fAt looking hands.
It wAs amazing. But the same time terrifying. I was hearing something from somewhere yelling mean things at me. Then some wonderful man who sounded like rev. Al sharpton voice came from somewhere in the trees and said "don't you listen to those evil, don't let them evil thoughts in your head!" I was like omg thank you sir. Because the mean voices were getting louder.

Sorry if this is hard to understand but I am still trying to make sense of it all my self. I IVed and large amount. But I already had some tolerance. IVed 85mg. Holy shit. Without tolerance - I suggest no one ever do that. With tolerance I suggest no one do that. I can't say I regret it, because parts of it were beautiful. At one point after my hands stopped looking plastic. I could see the electricity in my body in my arms and hands. And it was blue and purple and greens. And I felt there was electricity all around me. I was like protected in an electric ball of color. It was amazing. I needed this experience. It goes so much deeper and I plan to write about it later. But I needed this. I showed me things I had forgotten about. Like living here on earth. I had started hating people a while ago, just from my own experiences with people who betrayed me, caused me pain. The things I have seen on the news (the reason I quit watching it) just because of the horrible things people do to one another and animals. It makes me sick that people can be so cruel and heartless. But I realized not everyone is this way. I have shut myself out from the world for so long (well like 4 years or so). The only people I really interact with is my family, my husband and my daughter. My daughter wasn't home last night that's why I decided good evening to trip. Really wanted to see a beautiful sunset. But I saw way more than a sunset. Remember people EARBUDS!!! I think if I would of had my earbuds and music I wouldn't have heard whatever yelling nasty things at me. Even when I was walking very fast through the house trying to get my stuff to go outside. Every door I shut would say something nasty to me, I just gave it the finger and kept on moving. Trying to get away from the male presence. Never saw what he looked liked. Just know I was on a mission to get my shit and get out side. Found everything I needed but my earbuds. I had my phone. But couldn't read a word it said.

There was an important message in this trip i can't describe. It made me feel I needed to wake up. Stop hiding and running and being so angry. And pay attention to the people who have been good to me. Make more efforts to spend time with my family or call them (they live in another state).

All I can say is the rush of the IV was intense. Ive IVed before it's always intense but never this intense. I assumed with the large tolerance I had that it would be ok. What amazes me about 4-aco-DMT is that every trip amazes and surprises me! It's never the same. Things were like a roller coaster of nucking futts! One minutes nature was dancing and beautiful and seemed to be dancing just for me then the next something that sounded like an echo was yelling mean things at me. The Al Sharpton voice in the trees helped. I started believing that there is something real that only psychedelics allow us to experience out there. That without no one can see or hear. There is energies around us all the time. Some of them are kind and loving and helpful and protecting us. Then the others are testing our sanity and who we are. The negative energy calling me all those ugly names, was fucked up. It wasnt the male presence I sensed earlier to. He was there. He just wasn't saying anything. He was just trying to scare the shit out of me. But the dancing bushes and neon nature colors over powered his nastiness. Everything would change instantly. One minute i felt like laughing and was mesmerized by everything. The next I was like holy shit what is that.

So crazy. But amazing. 4-aco-dmt never fails to surprise the shit out of me. But I think I am going to give it a long break and give my veins a break for a while. I never used needles in my life. But I had tried 4Aco every other way so I thought why not. And after I did it the first time a while back ago. It was almost addicting. But this trip was needed and necessary. Because I feel no need to do it for a little while now.

Even tho if I didn't have anyone or any animals to take care of. I think I wouldn't mind being in that state all the time. It as beautiful. And my fears from this particular trip seem to have been demolished. I'm not afraid anymore. Of life and living. It's really just a weird confusing thing.

But I am grateful for this experience. I really am.
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That was one hell of a trip report, by the way. I loved the lessons, what you were taught, and how you described it.
 
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^^ yeah it was crazy. It was actually the next trip that scared the shit out of me - to the point I haven't touched the stuff since. I'm too scared too... and I love psilacetin. And I was so comfortable with it. I think that's what happened. I got to comfortable. I had to no fear of it, that's when I started IVing it in normal doses. But then started going higher with dose. The last time I did it, I was like nothing I have ever experienced. Just scary. I also think I experienced ego loss, I couldn't even make out where I was anymore. It was just strange. Very DMT like or 4-Ho-dmt like. Because the trip was so chaotic.

IV really makes it a completely different kind of trip, vs taking it orally
 
Admit tried some 4-AcO-DMT last night and attempted to watch Enter The Void.
Ended up getting down with Mazzy Star and cuddling all night instead.

My first go with this substance, and wow. There was a little anxiety coming up initially, but once that passed it was pure bliss and euphoria. Looking forward to trying this stuff again, and doubling the dose :) I put it up there alongside MXE as the best RC I have tried. And there isn't anyone else in the universe I would have rather experienced it with <3 10/10
 
CosmicG said:
Admit tried some 4-AcO-DMT last night and attempted to watch Enter The Void.
Ended up getting down with Mazzy Star and cuddling all night instead.

My first go with this substance, and wow. There was a little anxiety coming up initially, but once that passed it was pure bliss and euphoria. Looking forward to trying this stuff again, and doubling the dose :) I put it up there alongside MXE as the best RC I have tried. And there isn't anyone else in the universe I would have rather experienced it with <3 10/10
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I'd be careful about straight doubling the dose. While this one can be supremely beautiful, just like mushrooms it can kick your ass.
 
Oh man, I tried watching Enter the Void during my first test of psilacetin, just 10mg, and got so caught up in anxiety from the film that I had to turn it off halfway through. I still haven't finished it.

I've seen people talking about combining this with other 4-subs and I was wondering, for those that have tried it, what is your favorite combo? I'm interested in maybe delving into psilacetin again but it was only dysphoric on its own but really shined in combination with MDMA or LSD.
 
4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MET seems to be a favorite, I love the combo, they really fill each other in and produce something great. I think actually that's the only one I've combined 4-AcO-DMT with.
 
CosmicG said:
Admit tried some 4-AcO-DMT last night and attempted to watch Enter The Void.
Ended up getting down with Mazzy Star and cuddling all night instead.

My first go with this substance, and wow. There was a little anxiety coming up initially, but once that passed it was pure bliss and euphoria. Looking forward to trying this stuff again, and doubling the dose :) I put it up there alongside MXE as the best RC I have tried. And there isn't anyone else in the universe I would have rather experienced it with <3 10/10
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What was your dosage?
4-aco-DMT is such a precious gem to me. I've never felt a dash of anxiety on it. Which is not how tryptamines usually work for me. I would say it's my favorite drug, and I wouldnt be lying. It's just that I have a holy trinity of favorite drugs. It doesnt get much better than 4-aco-deemt though.
 
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