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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

Ziiirp said:
@ MSK, Marauder

What are the doses and ROA, on which you experience this pronounced long-term stimulation ? I can imagine, that it would not be as stimulating for me, because at the moment I take stimulants too regularly.
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I usually take 20-25mg oral, and I must be honest, I don't feel it really stimullating at that dosage and ROA. I usually combine some beers and cannabis into the experience, and after 4-5h I usually can sleep without the need of a benzo or GBL, like with 3-MeO-PCP whatever ROA I use.

Snorting it, though, whatever the dosage and even if I don't redose, feels stimulating and lackluster, not the best ROA in my experience. The few times I tried snorted I needed some benzos or GBL to be able to sleep, and the effects weren't anything remarkable that I would want to experiment again.

25mg Oral + 1-2 beers + 1-2 joints + some tryptamine at +3h is my prefered way to take this one :D
 
What dose would you suggest to someone without any prior disso experience?
Is 10mg to low to experience dissociative effects? I don't wanna get overwhelmed, a basic
understanding of what I am messing around with would be enough for my first time!

This is what it looks like: I assume I need to crush all the crystals first, I don't really wanna volumetric dose it though. Do you think
it's good enough to place something like 100mg on my scale (0.001g) and then remove the o-pce till the scale displays 0.090g?
Would that be an accurate measurement (I know most scales have difficulties measuring out small amounts like sub 20mg).

Upon researching, I think I'll go for 12mg orally. That should give me a good impression, of what dissos are about!

//edit: I went with the 3-meo-pcp instead, around 10mg in a cap.
 
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MSK said:
I usually take 20-25mg oral, and I must be honest, I don't feel it really stimullating at that dosage and ROA. I usually combine some beers and cannabis into the experience, and after 4-5h I usually can sleep without the need of a benzo or GBL, like with 3-MeO-PCP whatever ROA I use.

Snorting it, though, whatever the dosage and even if I don't redose, feels stimulating and lackluster, not the best ROA in my experience. The few times I tried snorted I needed some benzos or GBL to be able to sleep, and the effects weren't anything remarkable that I would want to experiment again.

25mg Oral + 1-2 beers + 1-2 joints + some tryptamine at +3h is my prefered way to take this one :D
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Thanks. Sounds like 3-meo-pce then (and 3-meo-pcp), regarding the qualitative differences between ROAs. I must admit, that, although orally 3-meo-pce feels a lot more recreational (basically it is instant holiday feeling, independent of actual stress level), I like it also as a stimulant, perhaps even more. I suppose, that my preferred ROA with 2-oxo-pce will be snorted as usual =D The synthetic drug, that I prefer orally was not invented, yet. :p
 
Sourtulip said:
Never remove material directly from the tray while measuring as this will yield inaccurate results. This is how to do it: Find a small bowl or similar which fits the tray (I use a guitar pick). Measure the weight of the item in question and write it down for future reference. Add your material to the bowl and weight it again. Subtract the weight of the bowl from the weight of the bowl + material. Remember to use the tare function or on/off function between each measurement and also to calibrate your scale every now and then.
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Volumetric dosing anyone? Take a known amount of material (dividing a known amount by 2/4/8 etc. works well enough imho), dissolve in water which leaves the substance evenly distributed in the liquid. Then split the liquid volemetrically as needed (with a syringe). E.g. 500mg / 10ml water would equal 10mg per .2ml water or 20units in an insuline syringe. You can either use that solution orally, intravenously, rectally or via a nasal spray once you know how much liquid you get per push (not very accurate). Alternatively you dry the liquid on an even surface and scrape it up for intranasal use. Drying, say 80mg and splitting the powder into halves would also work. 80->40->20->10mg... Accurate enough imho.
 
IM'ed 100mg yesterday at around 9pm, woke up at 11am with slight motor skill impairment and am fully recovered now at 1pm. Feels like I just came home from a long vacation. Damn I needed that.
 
Rather uneventful. There are always those holes where nothing big ever happens. I IV'ed this at 25mg, IM'ed it at 50mg and 100mg, really nothing worth talking about. It was very euphoic the first time I tried t and it was still very euphoric these last times, but not much in terms of psychedelia I'm afraid. I still value the substance highly, see my report:

2-Oxo-PCE - 100mg IM - Beyond experienced - Time for a Timeout

A massive decrease in tolerance to pot, booze and stimulants was observed in the following the days.
 
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Aren't such high doses of NDMA-antagonists considered to be neurotoxic ? It is a legit question, as I am not sure, under which circumstances those substances become neurotoxic.
 
Ziiirp said:
Aren't such high doses of NDMA-antagonists considered to be neurotoxic ? It is a legit question, as I am not sure, under which circumstances those substances become neurotoxic.
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Probably. I personally do not care, since I've been doing this for a long time and my cognitive functions are still intact. The way I see it - Be prepared to lose a few cells here and there. Except for a few episodes I haven't been using ketamine, pcp or other dissociatives on a daily basis, so I've never seen it as a threat to my health.

NMDA antagonists are neuroprotective up to a certain dosage level and I don't even consider my dosage that high. It was definitely subanaesthetic.
 
I think the PCP derivates are neurotoxic. The piperidine cannot be easy metabolized like ordinary alkylamines. And in addtion a metabolite of ketamine (3-hydroxy-norketamine or something like that :D ) is active on AMPA-receptors. This leads to nerve cell growing or at least some activated neuroplasticity. In professional research NMDA-antagonist MK-801 is used for protection of neurone cells against glutaminergic over stimulation. I am going to a MRT next month, we will see if a have olney-liasions :D
 
Thanks for the clarification @ both.

MRTs can get intensely claustrophobic. You should probably dose a disso before entering the tube. %)
 
I have been iving 20-30mg o pce and I absolutely love it is so absolutely euphoric. It's my first experience with ACHs apart from k I suppose. Tolerance does raise quite fast but it is such an enlightening and enjoyable experience every single time. Gone through a gram so far last few weeks no negative side effects so to speak
 
What is all that stuff about 2-Oxo-PCE being stimulating? Knocks me flat on my ass and transitions me smoothly to sleep towards the end. I'll IV 50mg later today and then 50mg IM, let's see how that goes. I hope it's not as dull as it has been the last few times. I also tried 2F-Ketamine the other day and was absolutely amazed, almost as good as ephenidine and surely better than racemic ketamine (the s isomer being shit).

Btw since someone asked, my mood has been in perfect balance the since my last 2-Oxo-PCE dose.
 
crOOk said:
What is all that stuff about 2-Oxo-PCE being stimulating? Knocks me flat on my ass and transitions me smoothly to sleep towards the end. I'll IV 50mg later today and then 50mg IM, let's see how that goes. I hope it's not as dull as it has been the last few times. I also tried 2F-Ketamine the other day and was absolutely amazed, almost as good as ephenidine and surely better than racemic ketamine (the s isomer being shit).

Btw since someone asked, my mood has been in perfect balance the since my last 2-Oxo-PCE dose.
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Yesterday, with medium/nearly high tolerance I took 30mg oral of this at 6:30p.m. plus a few lines of 2-OxO-PCM (I can go up 50mg lines without really feeling it too much), and I was able to sleep without benzos at 1a.m. with just some cannabis and two beers. I only feel this one stimulating when snorted. And not stimulating in a 3-MeO-PCP or dopaminergic (cocaine, amphetamine) sense, but just beeing awake and finding hard to sleep.
 
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Ok well. I kinda get what people may mean I suppose. I had a bit of a hard time falling asleep myself last night, despite the whopping dose of this chemical in my blood. Maybe it was just my anxiety about that damn 30 liter fishtank I brought to it's knees if I was even aware of it at the time. Worst. Dissociative Experience. Ever. How I am still alive is beyond me. One of those very few stories that I will not even share with my closest friends for now. A story I just can't tell because it'd bring such shame upon those involved for not leaving a stupid motherfucker like me to rot.

Godamn I wish I could write a report about this. Wild. So fucking wild.

But first I wll take care of the water. Oh the damage.
 
I'm feeling the urge to write up my most recent experience.: As you probably read earlier, I am new to the whole disso world. I've never gotten my hands on MXE nor any other dissociative substance. I went ahead and got my hands on both 3-meo-pcp and o-pce. 2 Days ago I took a small dose of o-pce, which was around 7mg (insufflated). Nothing special happened, other than some warmth and music appreciation.

Today I insufflated 20mg of o-pce, I want to add that I just broke my right feet, which requires me to lay in my bed. This is why I thought o-pce was a good idea... and I was right. Again, I have no prior disso experience so my words probably sound kinda virgin to you. My head started to feel kinda heavy and I was feeling like my legs where floating, even though I didn't move them at all... This was quite enjoyable, even though it actually scared me, because I thought there was something wrong with my limbs (it felt like they where cut off from my body). My arms looked different, it looked like they where a lot longer, can anyone relate to that?

A warm feeling was taking over my whole body, but at the same time I felt super drunk. I had double vision and everything was kinda spinning, I didn't really like that but I assume it's part of the disso experience... When I closed my eyes I felt like I was on another planet, the music sounded amazing (this is what I listened to). I've never heard music like this before, not even LSD or MDMA came close to that. I didn't really enjoy rap though, idk why. But the music I linked was awesome as fuck... I had some crazy CEV, I was running through a tunnel or space, I can't put it into words... It was just me, the universe and the music. nothing else. I've never felt anything like that before.

Honestly, I feel kinda "dumb" now (it feels like my IQ got divided by 2 and I am acting kinda slow), I took the o-pce around 5h ago, is this part of the afterglow? When I am turning my head, my brain needs quite some time to process what it's seeing. Has anyone else ever experienced something like this? I guess, this is what a retard must feel like. Not trying to offend anyone, just writing up my thoughts... don't get me wrong. I just took some 4f-mph to combat the negative effects, hopefully reaching baseline soon again.

I would be happy if anybody took some time to answer, because I am quite overwhelmed.

Also: Cr00k, I love reading your posts; I know it's OT but isn't today the day, where the new German blanket ban becomes legally valid? I am not familiar with bluelights rules, feel free to delete this but Germany is definitely taking a big step into the wrong direction... people will just go back to meth/speed and shit like that instead of all the banned rc's... /rant over
 
iRavage said:
I'm feeling the urge to write up my most recent experience.: As you probably read earlier, I am new to the whole disso world. I've never gotten my hands on MXE nor any other dissociative substance. I went ahead and got my hands on both 3-meo-pcp and o-pce. 2 Days ago I took a small dose of o-pce, which was around 7mg (insufflated). Nothing special happened, other than some warmth and music appreciation.

Today I insufflated 20mg of o-pce, I want to add that I just broke my right feet, which requires me to lay in my bed. This is why I thought o-pce was a good idea... and I was right. Again, I have no prior disso experience so my words probably sound kinda virgin to you. My head started to feel kinda heavy and I was feeling like my legs where floating, even though I didn't move them at all... This was quite enjoyable, even though it actually scared me, because I thought there was something wrong with my limbs (it felt like they where cut off from my body). My arms looked different, it looked like they where a lot longer, can anyone relate to that?

A warm feeling was taking over my whole body, but at the same time I felt super drunk. I had double vision and everything was kinda spinning, I didn't really like that but I assume it's part of the disso experience... When I closed my eyes I felt like I was on another planet, the music sounded amazing (this is what I listened to). I've never heard music like this before, not even LSD or MDMA came close to that. I didn't really enjoy rap though, idk why. But the music I linked was awesome as fuck... I had some crazy CEV, I was running through a tunnel or space, I can't put it into words... It was just me, the universe and the music. nothing else. I've never felt anything like that before.

Honestly, I feel kinda "dumb" now (it feels like my IQ got divided by 2 and I am acting kinda slow), I took the o-pce around 5h ago, is this part of the afterglow? When I am turning my head, my brain needs quite some time to process what it's seeing. Has anyone else ever experienced something like this? I guess, this is what a retard must feel like. Not trying to offend anyone, just writing up my thoughts... don't get me wrong. I just took some 4f-mph to combat the negative effects, hopefully reaching baseline soon again.

I would be happy if anybody took some time to answer, because I am quite overwhelmed.

Also: Cr00k, I love reading your posts; I know it's OT but isn't today the day, where the new German blanket ban becomes legally valid? I am not familiar with bluelights rules, feel free to delete this but Germany is definitely taking a big step into the wrong direction... people will just go back to meth/speed and shit like that instead of all the banned rc's... /rant over
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The feeling slow and visual processing delays are relatively normal with diss' use. Careful combing stimulants and Eticyclidone as it can be very speedy and hypo/manic. I usually felt "normal" about 24 hours after my last dose. Usually after a little sleep. Stay safe; sounds like you had a good time :D
 
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