Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Five

[kidklmx]

Anyone else get a massive amount of deja vú when taking a good dose? (~25mg, I think) The first 2 hours are close to being the best experience I have had, but after that every single thing that happens is a deja vú. It doesn't turn sour, but its really annoying to me, and no other psych gives me that experience. Would going for a higher dose give me more of a peak-like beautiful experience? Seems like a bad idea in terms of HR and what not, but I have done my fair share of higher doses with other psychedelics. And like I said, other than being annoyed by the deja vú I feel fine. Visuals and the beautiful inspiring thoughts subside when that happens, so it makes me think that maybe I need to pass some sort of threshold to be able to hold on to the cosmic brilliance of the first phase.

Or is this just me trying to talk myself in to taking more of a drug?

Well this was interesting. Did a larger dose (35mg) and the deja vu was gone, but the trip turned very dark after 1 hour. I guess now is a good time to reiterate that this chemical needs to be treated with the utmost respect. Did work through some personal stuff and feel a bit more confident about myself right now, so I guess it was worth it.

 

[blur878]

Hey folks..... Been a lurker on here for a while. I have gotten a lot of great information from you folks in the past and just want to say thank you! I have just recently been introduced to 4-aco-dmt fumarate and would like to share some of my experiences.

This compound is amazing! I recently got a sample from my vendor and after doing a bit of research, reading through the threads I decided to dose at about 30mg....well i guess it was actually somewhere between 30 and 40mg as the scale we where using couldn’t weigh anything under 10mg... I am a pretty avid user of al-lad and 1p-lsd so I was really wanting to try something different. I have always been a hard head with these compounds and I have always had to take quite a bit more to get the effects I was looking for. That being said, The 30-40mg range really didn’t impress me at all. At that dose really all that I felt was just a very mild euphoric feeling similar to a low dose of MDMA. Very mild visuals...had to really concentrate to see anything special. That first trial left me disappointed. Had to save the night with 600ugs of al-lad.

The next weekend we where determined to have a better ride on this stuff. So my friend and I took the rest of our sample which was somewhere around 120-140mg dumped it into a cup of distilled water, let everything dissolve into solution and split into half a cup doses and we each downed it. After we took our dose we went outside to have a cig talk a bit then came back in...one other person was there and he was just taking al-lad...it was his first time. when we came in i started to set up a gaming console my friend had brought over. as I was trying to set this up the guy on the al-kept asking me computer questions, I could feel something coming up fast and while getting asked these questions and setting up this console my whole world came crashing in on me....the aco took hold and I got this overwhelming feeling of failure lol....I could not explain it but it felt like the whole world was depending on me and I was failing. It became to much and I ran to my bedroom and buried my face in a pillow.......OMFG! when i did that I started seeing the most amazing CEVs I had ever seen! I mean mind bending stuff....I spend about 20 minutes buried in the pillow mesmerized. After the extremely overwhelming failure feeling had subsided I decided to come back and join the group but I was tripping so hard all i could do was lay on the floor and listen to music....I spend 2 hours curled up underneath my coffee table in a feeling of complete bliss...I have never done DMT, but I believe this to be very close to that type of experience...I was in my own world listening to Shpongle and watching the crazy geometric pyramids in my mind grow and get brighter. This is hands down the hardest I have ever tripped in my life Major Head fuck and CEVs that were off the charts.....even more than 1200ugs of al-lad. I could not believe it! I am just floored by this amazing substance and more trials are definitely in the works. Another thing I found really amazing is how gentle this stuff is. No body load....and very sedative I actually yawned all the way through the experience...which is something I have never experienced on other lysergimides. After about 3 hours of the most intense trip I ever had I decided it was too short so i took 450ugs of al-lad to ride the rest of the night out. God, what an amazing night.

Sorry if that was too long....I just wanted to share what a higher dose did to me...so amazing. Next trial will be at about 80mg I cant wait. Will post about that one when its finished.

Thanks again for all the info over the years!

 

[kidklmx]

You really are a heavy hardhead if 40mg doesn't even give you any visuals. Are you sure you didn't have tolerance? What was the last time you did a psychedelic before your 4-AcO-DMT trials and how frequently do you trip?

Your AL-LAD dose range seems similar to what I need to get me going.

 

[blur878]

Two weeks prior to the first ACO trial I had dosed about 750ugs of al-lad. Tolerance shouldn’t have really been a factor. I had about a 15 day break.

I generally trip every other week. depending on what I have going on.

 

[kidklmx]

Yeah you really are a hardhead then, anyone reading this: Start with 20mg :D

 

[The Shadow Self]

I will say that AL-LAD tolerance reset seems to take a longer time than some other psychs, including LSD. After having consumed over a sheet and a 1/2 of it over the course of the last 2 1/2 years, I can tell you first hand. I learned the hard way after building up a large tolerance to AL-LAD. In fact, I have taken as much as a 10 strip of AL to get desired results. Yes, that's a lot, but I was working on a big tolerance and had been tripping about every ten days, give or take, with some breaks just to get back to baseline. Rinse, repeat. I recall that I had to wait for up to three weeks to a month to get my tolerance for LSD, 4-ACO, and what have you in order to bring ANY magic back to it at all after AL benders. Even after waiting 2 weeks after a good AL dose, I needed to take FAR more AL or 4-ACO-DMT than normal. After waiting, everything else righted itself, though.

 

[FATHOMZ]

Yeah you really are a hardhead then, anyone reading this: Start with 20mg :D

our entire group seems to be this way. i thought i was an exception until i started hanging out with them. maybe its placebo haha. the interesting part is during the groups first trial, one of us did about 20mg more and he absolutely loved it. I agree with blur it was very mdma like... and it had the beginning of mushroom style visual warping and patterns but never evolved more than that.

keep in mind this group usually needs 600mics of AL-LAD to be satiated. the weird part is that i find my tolerance to swing up and down even though i trip every week. one week 3 tabs of AL makes me fry and the next week 3 barely gets me a ++. I suppose it depends on my body chemistry on that day, diet etc. That is why we do this IN THE NAME OF RESEARCH

i plan to insufflate a beginner dose when i get my next batch and compare the effect to the same amount orally ingested and see what happens.

 

[Clathrin]

4-Aco-DMT 7mg +MAOI. Psychotherapy potential...

Hi guys, I've lurked for a while, got a lot of invaluable info from this site and thought I could add some of my own.
I've had experience with many different psychedelics, and wanted a solo, introspective trip, so 4-aco-dmt was chosen.

DOSE: 7mg 4-aco-dmt, strongly potentiated by Moclobemide (RIMA/MAOI) (I take 600mg daily and have done for years, only took 300mg that morning)
ROUTE: Orally in parachute, empty stomach
DURATION: 7 hours strong->medium effects, 2 futher hours residual trippiness.
BODY WEIGHT: 64kg, female, mid 20s

I wrote my intentions before dosing:
1. wanting a lasting positive mindset (treatment of depression)
2: Why do I want to take drugs often?
3. How can I be a better person?
4. How can I enjoy my work more?

Dosed 7mg orally on a beautiful sunny sunday afternoon, in my nicely decorated and comfortable bedroom. Been feeling good recently after coming out of a depressive episode in the winter.

My notes start here:

15.33 7mg 4AcoDmt. Sunny day!
15.55 Alerts! Shower wall breathing. Cheeky smile. Textures! [I remember starting to see 'zooming' in form constants on closed eyes]
16.06 Confused by drips in the kitchen. Where are they coming from? Wrong person to ask LOL
16.36 Masturbated. Awesome. Bit of yoga on come-up felt lovely. Off for a walk! Adventure!
[here some beautiful visuals were coming into play. Closed eye shifting colours and patterns red and white upon orgasm, my yoga mat starting to glow with glossy rainbow shading, pattern recognition enhancement on carpets, dusty surfaces and walls become beautiful. Textures much brighter. Feeling very Mother Earth.]

...And the notes end there. This section felt very euphoric.

As I decided to go for a walk, I realised my mood dropped and I'd need food. I wander into the kitchen to make some avocado on toast. This was surprisingly easy, considering I was distracted by faces in the floating, wispy, organic and DMT-esque geometry coming off the tiles in the kitchen.
I normally see vague faces which are fine but these ones touched me deeper and made me feel unsettled.
I ate the toast (seeing a chameleon in the avocado and being sad I had to eat him), grabbed a banana and went to my room.
Here I became a little confused. Banana? Coat? Banana? Felt dysphoric and though I was itching to get into the sunshine, I felt it best to meditate. That's what I wanted right?
Right.


Turned my music off, sat on my yoga mat with sun streaming through the window. Close my eyes and breathe. I start to see the organic geometry I saw on the kitchen tiles. It's beautiful, intricate. Then an image appears of a young girl with her hands covering her eyes in an expression of deep pain. Like The Scream by Edvard Munch. I was shocked into opening my eyes, took a breath, and decided to go further. I spoke - what was that? Who are you?

Eyes closed, she came back. I immediately realised she was a depiction of me, as a child, suffering. (short background: anorexia nervosa + suicide attempt as a child/teen. Sober, this feels like an entirely different life that I've basically suppressed)
I sympathised so much with her. She shouldn't have had to feel like that. I wanted to hug her,to look after her. And then a huge, primal wave of anger hit me that she hadn't been looked after emotionally at all. I had had to parent myself. Anger towards my father for failing to even try to understand, when she needed him most. And then a realisation. I'm holding on to this anger, this pain, and the only person it's hurting is me. I need to forgive him. I'll be much happier if I can. (we have never gotten on. It's caused rifts)

I try. I try and think from his point of view. I try and think of how scared he must have been with an ill child, the worry he must have faced about my future, the impact it had on the rest of the family. I still can't get past the the neglect. I don't want to forgive him, I'm not ready to. It feels red and hot and unfair, and some tears are streaming down my face.


I open my eyes, and look at the beautiful glossy, soft rainbow patterning and shimmering around my necklaces, how the pattern on my yoga mat has turned into little wolf heads. It's beautiful.


I'm still feeling some of the trapped emotions I felt as the little girl. I tell myself, out loud, that she's fading. She's faded, and I'm a strong adult woman now. Self-resourceful, resolute and assertive. I've done so well.
I close my eyes a little longer and take some breaths. Some intricate, mechanical, flowing shapes are shown to me. I think of how my personality is a breath of fresh air in the environment I work in. How I'm an adult learner, and can take responsibility for that. How I'm interested to learn some stuff soon!



I finally decide to go and walk. Some thought loops persist over my dad, trying to explain his behaviour. I realise I've just got to have a conversation with him to ask him frankly.

I walk to the park, listening to my favourite music. It's all impregnated with meaning. A song I've performed, remembering my anxiety and how it wasn't necessary, and how awesome my performance was! A song I associate with my ex. Appreciate the incredible times, the beautiful drug experiences we had, and appreciate how good a friend he is now. Start crying a little as a family walks past and get some funny looks

I get to the park and the trees, the fields, the sky, everything is gorgeous. Pattern repetition, symmetry, strange fractalline or organic shapes. A bush morphs into an odd frog shape. Reminds me much like DMT in its spiritual feeling. I giggle at a crow which is having a paddle. I walk past a fallen tree trunk, which looks like an old, muscular, tattooed arm. I appreciate the beauty of all body shapes... Elderly people are beautiful too, their bodies, scars and all, tell a story.

I sit by a lake and find my banana! How to eat it? I manage to eat it, trying to look normal, before realising the people walking past don't give a crap. Clarity. Some little girls whizz past on scooters, leaving tracers. I'm mildly confused, I feel too clear for tracers to be that visible!
Keep walking, giggle at ducks doing the things ducks do. Find some people tightrope walking between two trees and watch for a while. They notice me and I didn't want to put them off (and would be incapable of holding a conversation) so I wander off with a smile.

Keep walking around the park during the slow comedown, thinking, seeing, feeling. Pink Floyd playing now. I smirk at the irony, and wonder if anyone else in the park is tripping.

Start to feel tired and the only visuals still present are enhanced and softened textures. I head home, buy a beer and some tomatoes, and make myself some nice pasta. So hungry by now! It's 20.51.
I begin watching The Breakfast Club, which helps to put my struggles into perspective. Great film.
Slept at 12 midnight with the help of 7.5mg Zopiclone (some interesting hypnogogic hallucinations here, almost like floaty netting/spiderwebs in the corners of my room. Form constants?)

Side effects: Slight nausea on come up, quite thirsty, needed to urinate freqently.
After effects: Today I felt tired, but assertive. I started a new placement and was far more confident. I noticed the difference. I'll make it last!
Abuse potential: You couldn't do this regularly.


I almost wonder if I had taken a higher dose, would I have been able to forgive my dad? Would be interested in thoughts.

Thanks for reading.

 

[streetnigga]

" strap "

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

I just received a new batch of 4-aco-dmt from a so far extremely reputable vendor but it has a brown appearance and smells strongly of vinegar... They are claiming 97% purity.
I was wondering if there is a relatively easy way to purify 4-subbed Tryptamines?
The colour I'm not too concerned about but the strong vinegar odour is of concern. I'm assuming the vinegar smell is left over acetic acid from making the AcO ?
And not a harmful precursor... They did provide their own NMR analysis and it turned purple when I tested it with an Ehlrich test kit.
If anyone more knowledgable than I could help me I would greatly appreciate it.
I hope talking about removing impurities isn't considered synth discussion if so please remove this and I apologize!

 

[Ziiirp]

I dunno, whether I already discussed this with you in another thread, but IMHO tryptamines in the most cases are earth colored (beige/orange/brown/ash grey/dark grey) and have a strong odor.

I personally do not like this compound that much, because it once provided a really miserable trip with a lot of self pity. Set and setting play a big role with this (bigger than for any other psychedelic I've tried) because it modulates thought patterns a lot on the emotional plain and if you're unstable it is merciless and you cannot steer the trip in a positive direction. Also really low doses (~5mg) caused depression for me. All in all positive experiences with this were rare and it is the only psychedelic for me, that could not be appreciated. I have to add, that my 4-aco-dmt could have degraded into 4-ho-dmt and that is why it lost its gentleness.

Found a post by sekio regarding degradation byproducts :

the colored material is actually inactive quinone type stuff (i personally suspect it's too polar to effectively enter BBB, maybe not though) and its closely related to other neurotoxic substances (5,7-dihydroxytryptamine is a seorotonin-nerve-cell killer) so i would not be encouraging oxidation.

[...]

Could well be, that my trips were miserable, because of the byproduct content. Luckily I did not indulge often. I would be interested, what color 4-Aco-DMT usually can have and what color those quinones have.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

I dunno, whether I already discussed this with you in another thread, but IMHO tryptamines in the most cases are earth colored (beige/orange/brown/ash grey/dark grey) and have a strong odor.

I personally do not like this compound that much, because it once provided a really miserable trip with a lot of self pity. Set and setting play a big role with this (bigger than for any other psychedelic I've tried) because it modulates thought patterns a lot on the emotional plain and if you're unstable it is merciless and you cannot steer the trip in a positive direction. Also really low doses (~5mg) caused depression for me. All in all positive experiences with this were rare and it is the only psychedelic for me, that could not be appreciated. I have to add, that my 4-aco-dmt could have degraded into 4-ho-dmt and that is why it lost its gentleness.

Found a post by sekio regarding degradation byproducts :



Could well be, that my trips were miserable, because of the byproduct content. Luckily I did not indulge often. I would be interested, what color 4-Aco-DMT usually can have and what color those quinones have.

All extremeley pure 4 substituted Tryptamines will be white ,crystallized, and odourless.
In fact I believe this true for all Tryptamines in general except for aMT and aET which do have a smell.
I believe even the common plastic mothball smell of extracted DMT is from Skatole from the extraction process.

 

[Xorkoth]

Untrue, many pure tryptamines have an odor, especially the base tryptamines. DMT, AMT, AET, DiPT, MET, DPT... those are the base tryptamines I've smelled and they all smell quite strongly, and similarly (AMT is the worst by far though). The 4-substituted tryptamines have a smell too but in general it's quite less potent of a smell. The phenethylamines in general have an odor too. Many chemicals have an odor actually, even if it's not too strong.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Untrue, many pure tryptamines have an odor, especially the base tryptamines. DMT, AMT, AET, DiPT, MET, DPT... those are the base tryptamines I've smelled and they all smell quite strongly, and similarly (AMT is the worst by far though). The 4-substituted tryptamines have a smell too but in general it's quite less potent of a smell. The phenethylamines in general have an odor too. Many chemicals have an odor actually, even if it's not too strong.

Strange that none of my chemicals except aMT have even the slightest odour except for obviously incomplete synths. My brown dpt that reeks of vinegar is around 50% potency of my white DPT???
I have a pretty diverse collection of trypts and I don't recall anything having strong odour except my aMT and the crappy brown DPT.
But I'm also not breaking anything out of long term storage to smell it. But now I'm curious.

 

[phuckingnutz]

and the crappy brown DPT.

I got the same DPT and the vendor made good on it. You might check it out.
Their MET was also brown foul smelling shit...actually, now that I think about it, it smelled of DMT.
Oh, as for smell, DMT always smells to me. As soon as I hit it with the lye I can start to smell it...I love that smell!

 

[Help?!?!]

I got the same DPT and the vendor made good on it. You might check it out.
Their MET was also brown foul smelling shit...actually, now that I think about it, it smelled of DMT.
Oh, as for smell, DMT always smells to me. As soon as I hit it with the lye I can start to smell it...I love that smell!

Then it's all downhill once that flame goes near it, the plastic shit smelling, and tasting DMT washes over you in extravagant beauty as your rocketed to the moon! Pre vape DMT smells floral and is really nice!

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

I got the same DPT and the vendor made good on it. You might check it out.
Their MET was also brown foul smelling shit...actually, now that I think about it, it smelled of DMT.
Oh, as for smell, DMT always smells to me. As soon as I hit it with the lye I can start to smell it...I love that smell!

That particular vendor (95% sure it's the same one ) actually sent me their entire remaining Poorly synthed MET supply. Almost 100 g because they said they were going to flush it anyway. I was under the impression that the same lab made that brown DPT and red MET.
The MET was impossible to freebase but however impure it was it certainly was orally active!! ?

 

[Help?!?!]

MET is probably my favorite simple tryptamine. It's really awesome. I had an amazing time IM'ing this with MXE and getting super stoned!

I think I'm going to retry 4-AcO-DMT soon. Pretty excited. The problem I had was either under dosing or overdosing. I need to find the middle ground which will probably be between 20-30mgs.

 

[phuckingnutz]

That particular vendor (95% sure it's the same one ) actually sent me their entire remaining Poorly synthed MET supply. Almost 100 g because they said they were going to flush it anyway. I was under the impression that the same lab made that brown DPT and red MET.
The MET was impossible to freebase but however impure it was it certainly was orally active!! 

Yep, same one RED.
I flushed it after using it a time or three. It was active, but F'n SCARY looking.
The days of eating just any old thing to get high are over for me.


Well, mostly anyway.

 

[Help?!?!]

The people I got mine from was a decent vendor. It was light brown with a little smell to it. It was so excellent IM. Right up there with IM DMT. In fact because of its easy going personality yet strong effect it was highly enjoyable!