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Recovery Another detox attempt.... U-47700 and Tianeptine.

I have someone from China sending me a gram of MAB-CHMINACA, which is a noid.
I'm a little skeptical trying it because I do not want to have any rebound anxiety or any other nasty side-effects.

I will be doing a taper off Kratom and use a small amount of benzo to help combat withdrawals.
If it get's too bad (which I'm hoping it doesn't) I will go to the hospital and try to obtain some clonidine.
I have just heard some mixed experience on Kratom withdrawal.
I think it would be most similar to tramadol withdrawals, which isn't too physically bad, but there are a lot of mental withdrawals (brain zaps, depression, anxiety, RLS)
I'm a big baby when it comes to that, lol.

I just have so many mixed emotions going on right now, I want to stay on Kratom because it helps so much, however, I'm starting to go tired of having to dose multiple times a day to feel better.
 
Just out of curiosity, why would you keep the MAB-CHMINACA instead of Kratom if that bill passes, as both would then be schedule I? You might as well just stay on the kratom as you know that helps you and you're familiar with the effects. If I were in your situation I would be very hesitant about trying new drugs, particularly RCs as their designed to function more intensely and efficiently than their counterparts. Be careful - you're doing so well right now - you don't want to jeopardize your progress.
 
^Very good advice. Be careful. Before you order anything, practice S.T.O.P.

  1. Stop whatever you are doing, sit, stay still and simply be present.
  2. Take a breath.
  3. Observe what is going on with YOU: thoughts, physical sensations and feelings.
  4. Proceed with whatever task you are involved in, but now with a bit more insight, hopefully, about your intentions in doing whatever you are doing.

Perhaps that may help in making wiser choices.
 
I was going to use that to help combat withdrawals from Kratom. Im doing some research right now to see if it would help. I would only take it for a couple days then stop. Not a good idea?
 
wow0mg, a lot of people here mentioned kava, do you have any experience with it? I took it off and on for 2,3 years and loved it. Sadly I ended up developing really dry eyes, mouth and itchy skin with it and am now almost allergic to kava. I was probably overdoing it, but it's not addictive and a very powerful anxiolytic. I can highly recommend it against anxiety, just give it a few weeks to build up in your system.

As for RC cannabinoids, I'm never touching those again, no sir .. Took some Spice when it first became popular, people were mixing it with regular herb. We were driving and it gave me a full-on panic attack we were going to crash (the driver was sober and doing the speed limit). Crazy stuff
 
Thank you everyone, I was thinking about using a dissociate to lower my opiate tolerance and use that to get off the Kratom.
I'm just looking at my options. I had taken 3-meo-pcp for 2 days in the past and I woke up the third day feeling fantastic, with no withdrawals!
I just need to be careful though because it's said to show up as PCP on drug tests and I have a PO appointment on the 2nd. I do not want to fail for any drugs.
 
hey wow0mg we should do this together! Just took my last dose of kratom at 1pm, except a 6g rescue dose I'm officially out! I might even eat that too to leave no temptation laying about. And it's not like I'll order more.

So why not just join me on a CT? The worst that can happen is it resets your tolerance lower if you do start again .. So join me, don't they say ' misery lives company';)
 
Having just finished off a bag of u47 yesterday I'd like to throw my .02 out here...

Don't try it! Shit is extremely toxic. I am fortunate in that I'm not in WD like the op. I don't do needles, I railed it all. It burns something fierce, and tastes as lovely as meth (sarcasm). I also developed a very nasty sinus infection within a day, it mangled my nostrils... Blew out quite a bit of blood. If you really can't help yourself and are not going to seek help, I recommend doing some other substance. In my 4-5 day binge I managed to really jack up my sinuses, can't imagine what this would do to your veins, bum, or any route actually. Toxic garbage! Yes it gets you high, but there are safer things out there. Not condoning use of any substance, but this one in particular stay away. It would not take long to do some serious damage to your body, addiction aside.

..I.. U47
 
Fishlips said:
Having just finished off a bag of u47 yesterday I'd like to throw my .02 out here...

Don't try it! Shit is extremely toxic. I am fortunate in that I'm not in WD like the op. I don't do needles, I railed it all. It burns something fierce, and tastes as lovely as meth (sarcasm). I also developed a very nasty sinus infection within a day, it mangled my nostrils... Blew out quite a bit of blood. If you really can't help yourself and are not going to seek help, I recommend doing some other substance. In my 4-5 day binge I managed to really jack up my sinuses, can't imagine what this would do to your veins, bum, or any route actually. Toxic garbage! Yes it gets you high, but there are safer things out there. Not condoning use of any substance, but this one in particular stay away. It would not take long to do some serious damage to your body, addiction aside.

..I.. U47
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Thank you for sharing Fishlips! I think it's really important to share the negative aspects of certain drugs, especially new ones such as RCs so people can make a more informed decision. in theory RCs seem like a much more convenient choice, but they also seem so much more potent than their illegal counterpart, and they are not very tested so it's difficult to find accurate information.

The thing that I find particularly worrisome are long term effects (i.e. 5, 10, 15 + years down the road). I used spice for about 6 months when it was the JWH series, and I'm still concerned about the naphthalene ring. I quit because I was really afraid of how carcinogenic it is. It's been several years, but I still worry. If I had been smart, I would hve just found a resource for weed, but the spice was more convenient at the time :/
 
I'm still hanging in there,
I have not yet tapered off my Kratom.

I tried to make an attempt to take a dissociate to help maybe lower my tolerance to make it easier to get off the Kratom,
Sadly, I ended up taking a mega-dose due to tripping so hard and repeat redosing, it has been about a week and I still have not been feeling right in the head.
I'm hoping this clears up over time and is not like this forever!

Much love!
 
w0w0mg said:
I'm still hanging in there,
I have not yet tapered off my Kratom.

I tried to make an attempt to take a dissociate to help maybe lower my tolerance to make it easier to get off the Kratom,
Sadly, I ended up taking a mega-dose due to tripping so hard and repeat redosing, it has been about a week and I still have not been feeling right in the head.
I'm hoping this clears up over time and is not like this forever!

Much love!
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I don't think there is any sense in rushing your way off the kratom. You have tremendous progress upo to this point so now is probably a good time to just hold where you are. specially if you have to use other recreational drugs to soften the withdrawal.
 
Wow0mg that sucks with the excessive dosing. Dissociatives always do that to me too! I posted about ether a while ago, imo it's a really safe dissociative substance. I will allow myself to take it once every blue moon even during sobriety. Better that than harder stuff!

It really is very harmless, read the msds!

@moreaux, funny i tried the gwh family too, and DID NOT like it. any of that stuff was an instant panic attack for me!
 
Spice was the RC that truly scared me the most. Many of my friends switchd to it to beat drug tests, and you can just see the toll that drug takes on their psyches.
 
manboychef said:
Spice was the RC that truly scared me the most. Many of my friends switchd to it to beat drug tests, and you can just see the toll that drug takes on their psyches.
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Likewise. A couple years ago one of my friends suffered permanent kidney damage from a blend he bought at a gas station.
 
w0w0mg said:
I'm still hanging in there,
I have not yet tapered off my Kratom.

I tried to make an attempt to take a dissociate to help maybe lower my tolerance to make it easier to get off the Kratom,
Sadly, I ended up taking a mega-dose due to tripping so hard and repeat redosing, it has been about a week and I still have not been feeling right in the head.
I'm hoping this clears up over time and is not like this forever!

Much love!
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Because things like that happen, I never recommend dissociative a for coming off opiates
 
Yes - it was bad news bears.
I also ended up blacking out on pure etizolam poweder and nodded off laying wrong on my leg - i now have foot drop and nerve damage. i hope it gets better :(
im just sticking to my kratom, I have some gabapentin that was prescribed so maybe that will help, just took one about 10 mins ago.
 
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