Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

[swilow]

^Well said.

 

[Ninae]

One thing about this is that in real life people are used to that vegetarians are just shouted down as they're in the minority. This is a bit unusual in that there's actually a strong voice from the vegetarian side and it seems a bit frustrating to some. But you don't exactly need to be offensive for people to take offence, just the fact that you're vegetarian so many seem to find offensive in itself (just in case you have any ideas).

 

[Erikmen]

God&Love, (Re: what is quoted above)

Nobody lives their life with no sense of right and wrong, they only discount certain things as wrong when it's convenient to them. Everybody has a moral compass. The vegetarians and vegans in this thread are just expressing their opinions about the topic at hand. Nobody is projecting illusions of morality anymore than anybody projects illusions throughout their daily life.



That sounds amazing, but - really - it's bullshit.
There are things that are off limits for you.
You are just as human as the rest of us.

I'd wager that you'd have moral issues with stealing from the poor or taking advantage of vulnerable people.
If not, then you're not a very good person IMO.

Morality is an "illusion" as much as everything is illusory... But we need to maintain the illusion, all of us.
We can recognize that everything is meaningless, in other words, but can't live that way.

Your sarcastic post about willow eating meat indicates, to me, that you're not particularly enlightened.
No more than the rest of us, anyway... You're just the latest person to attempt to ethically justify the unjustifiable.

Indeed a great post.

 

[socko]

... just the fact that you're vegetarian so many seem to find offensive in itself (just in case you have any ideas).

I see it happen all the time.

 

[Xorkoth]

But before you do, a/s/l? If you turn out to be a female I'll leave meat for good besides getting legitimately turned on. Although, the way this opiate comedown is driving my libido I could fuck a guy. Once it hits full throttle I might even have a gang bang with you, god and love, ms Murphy, ninae, willy Wonka, and busty without even having to add him to the list.

Tl;dr

and more...

I just wanted to say I would expect better conduct from a senior moderator. With a few exceptions, everything I've seen you post here so far has been inflammatory, rude, and at times highly insulting. I'm pretty sure you know better.

Thread has been reduced to small talk and gibberings

Yes, and you didn't help that at all. If it were me I'd step out of this at this point.

 

[turkalurk]

It has been suggested by some great spiritual teachers who wanted to reduce the suffering of animals. Killing a fish is on the level of killing a rodent, anyway.

why is ok to kill the rodentia order? They are mammals like us? They have a limbic system similar to ours.

 

[Ninae]

Im a girl but i'd never touch a dirty carnie (that's vegan talk for meat eater donchyaknow?)

Thanks for the idea

 

[socko]

Haha yo uliked that too Ninae?

Im a girl but i'd never touch a dirty carnie (that's vegan talk for meat eater donchyaknow?)

Do you ever notice that people who eat a lot of meat stink? Pork-eaters are the worst and smell like rancid pork grease.

 

[turkalurk]

^FWIW, I think that consuming fish seems to be most damaging, in terms of worldwide fish stocks being in grave decline with many species facing extinction. Ovefishing is a real problem. I think simply going fishing- you know, a dude and a rod- is acceptable, but the mass factory ships and trawlers are disturbing and extremely bad for sea creatures.



Come now erik, lets be pleasant



The reason you overreacted when a single misspelt word was corrected is all because of this topic's propensity to inspire gloating?

how did I over-react? Are you now over-reacting to my over_reaction?

 

[Ninae]

tbph the first time I ate meat after not eating meat for years or something, I felt knocked down. It always made me feel dirty. Not guilty, but like... Well. I don't know. It was a different energy. As a vegetarian and vegan I had a high hum energy going on. I felt a connection to the higher.

Meat does lower your vibrational energy and holds you back to some degree if you're spiritually ambitious. I know most will argue this but I don't care. I think it's true.

 

[turkalurk]

LOL - happy for you to post your corrections... :D of my 'puncuation'... :D (given you don't seem able to spell the word I am sincerely interested. :D)

I'm not the one claiming it matters. I'm the one that says only a deuchebag would point out those kinds of errors and act like they matter. Its a shallow criticism when you correct a mistake that does not change the meaning of an argument. Its a distraction away from the argument. Its fallacious, because its an attempt to diminish credibility on irrelevant grounds.

 

[Ninae]

Haha yo uliked that too Ninae?
Do you ever notice that people who eat a lot of meat stink? Pork-eaters are the worst and smell like rancid pork grease.

It tends to give rotten breath and more body odour. But just think of all the rotting meat and fish inside the body. Rotten vegetables still don't smell anything that bad.

 

[Xorkoth]

I eat meat and I smell gooooood.

 

[Ninae]

You can if you eat quality meat and have very good hygiene.

 

[turkalurk]

Nature is Nature, she does what she wants. The exterior is just a reflection of the interior, there is not and never has been an "out here". Everything takes place within, surprise. I'm not the one trying to project illusions of morality onto a moral resistant canvas. You are. I'm not the one playing pretend, diluting myself with delusions of sanctity. For I know that there is no such thing as right or wrong, good or evil. These are constructs, symptoms of the ego, a mind bound to unreality.....A mind bound to Boundaries... A mind bound to Limitations... To No's, dont's and can'ts.

Sorry, but I'm a Yes man and I say yes to infinity and I say yes to infinite possibility. Nothing is off limits for me, my mind is as free as the breeze. I've destroyed the ego. Nothing is unholy, nothing is auspicious, for everything is of God and everything is of divinity, and everything is one. No compartmentalization.

No offense, but the way you boast of destroying your ego sounds ironically egoic. We are one; but you and I are not the same. You are you, and I am me. We can only do our best to minimize egoic tendencies of self centered thinking and selfishness, but we are never without our ego. Enlightenment isn't about destroying the ego, its about avoiding our tendency to attach all of our identity to our conscious thoughts. Our ego is the facade of our personality. Its an inherent part of our consciousness. I am unsure how a person would function without some sense of individuality.

 

[turkalurk]

I told you I'd leave meat for good. I'm a man of my word. No more me being a dirty carnie junkie. It's all about you and me now. Nonetheless, I'd like to see how vegan food stacks up to dirty carnie food so list your top 3 dishes. Vegan of course.

May the World bless all the hottie vegans turning manly meat eaters into whimpering willows.

 

[Ninae]

Enlightenment isn't about destroying the ego, its about avoiding our tendency to attach all of our identity to our conscious thoughts. Our ego is the facade of our personality. Its an inherent part of our consciousness. I am unsure how a person would function without some sense of individuality.

For once I agree. I don't think you can get rid of the ego completely, you can just purify and refine it. The way I see it part of living in this world is to experience yourself as an ego, or separate self, and learn from it as it's an experience that can't be had in the higher dimensions.

When you die I think you hang up your ego for a while and take it up again when you come into a new life where you have to re-start where you left off. But without an ego it wouldn't be possible to preoject yourself as a personality in the world or defend yourself against others.

 

[turkalurk]

tbph the first time I ate meat after not eating meat for years or something, I felt knocked down. It always made me feel dirty. Not guilty, but like... Well. I don't know. It was a different energy. As a vegetarian and vegan I had a high hum energy going on. I felt a connection to the higher. Then I ate meat and it felt like poison. But I didn't experience the same reactions. And I honestly experience pain with just about everything I consume. I just choose what hurts the least, usually, or fulfills requirements without hurting as much. Without feeling like I might suffocate or something due to rapid inflammation. I don't really think I will, because I am a badass and cannot die, but I guess I can never really explain it to people, who are not hypersensitive, as I am, what it is like. But meat... At least... Is densely packed, easily digestible... Yea. And I eat sprouted nuts of sorts, if I get lucky (if mold is nil). I could eat a lot more things, but as I said, it is painful. I choose least pain, and am a bit cornered. This is also why I become defensive. I also don't really want compassion, or at least the kind that offers advice. I only want understanding. This doesn't even mean I want to be liked. I mean, who doesn't? But, the truth is I would really kill you, more than likely, when it came down to it. Or I would sacrifice myself for you (for myself, as I would be applying myself to concepts I have). The later option is most likely. But, if you wanted to be a fascist, the former. You'd be getting fascisted.

Basically, yea, it feels bad. But I can't get into that. I may just decide to stop sometime. I feel like I reject everything. And I've always been hateful. I seem to like something to hate. Or not really actively be in a state of hate against, but I will have pent up tension or pain that I'll release. I think we all do it. We project our world onto what others are saying. We are all tossing shapes up into the air and sometimes it is more like pareidolia what others see. What we see. I don't know. I'm talking bullshit.
As always.

But yes.
Meat eating is in ways bad.
But so are we. Sinful.

And anal sex is wrong. I mean really. But it is pretty cool. At least the last time I did it.
Damn.

did you ever read the link about soylent?

http://www.soylent.me/

 

[turkalurk]

For once I agree. I don't think you can get rid of the ego completely, you can just purify and refine it. The way I see it part of living in this world is to experience yourself as an ego, or separate self, and learn from it as it's an experience that can't be had in the higher dimensions.

When you die I think you hang up your ego for a while and take it up again when you come into a new life where you have to re-start where you left off. But without an ego it wouldn't be possible to preoject yourself as a personality or defend yourself against others.

I think there are many Egos just like mine. When I die, life hangs up my ego, but its potential to emerge within a new frame of reference will continue to exist and manifest itself in countless others.

 

[Erikmen]

Haha yo uliked that too Ninae?
Do you ever notice that people who eat a lot of meat stink? Pork-eaters are the worst and smell like rancid pork grease.

Lots of people feels the same about some countries in Europe like in France or Scandinavia and their shower routines.
Although I don't believe it, in some countries, perfume is a must.

It's common sense in a lot of these countries to shower twice max 3 times a week.
Bad for the skin and bad weather.
Not insulting anyone, I've lived in Europe and it's cultural.

No more different than suggesting that meat eaters stink..