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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

There are humans who don't experience pain. This also makes them different psychologically... They never build circuits the same way. I think I'm going to find one, and kill them. Or maybe cut their arm off and eat it in front of them. "This doesn't bother you, right? You can't feel pain so it must not matter."

Honestly I can't determine if you are conscious. I can only assume. I can try to deduce. You could easily just be my food source, and it is a trick to think you're anything more.
 
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Ninae said:
I think fish experience some discomfort but not the gruesome pain that mammals do. Their eyes are really cold. A mice probably experiences much more pain.
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You have obviously never fished. It seems to me that an ability to scream in pain is your only prerequisite to being able to eat something. Not having eyelids probably reduces their ability to express their true emotions. I have hunted eels since I was a young barefoot kid in the bush and I can attest to not only their intelligence and cunning, but also their desire for revenge.

Octopuses are another creature which although evolutionary speaking may be less developed than vertebrate, possess an amazing ability to solve complex puzzles.

They are delicious too.
 
^FWIW, I think that consuming fish seems to be most damaging, in terms of worldwide fish stocks being in grave decline with many species facing extinction. Ovefishing is a real problem. I think simply going fishing- you know, a dude and a rod- is acceptable, but the mass factory ships and trawlers are disturbing and extremely bad for sea creatures.

Erikmen said:
Of course you were Ninae, as you also claim to be from a superior kingdom of Angels. I'm talking about people in general. I don't think vegetarians are strange, just different maybe.
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Come now erik, lets be pleasant :)

turkalurk said:
Or, because I mispelled the word invasive. It depends on how you look at it. Maybe, all this is because you decided to write a thread condusive to ethical gloating about food choices.
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The reason you overreacted when a single misspelt word was corrected is all because of this topic's propensity to inspire gloating?
 
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It's simple to me. People may have different points of view and that happens a lot, reason for which we use IMO.

But with Ninae it's different because she wants to impose her opinion just because she's saying so.

I disagree with her, I don't think having a spiritual teacher telling you things make them right. And those affirmations is just like these religion radicals who want to impose their opinion based on their God.

NO Ninae, you are not qualified IMO to determine who suffer more or less on the alimentary chain!

That's why I agree with some of the posters here when it comes to level of conscious in order to feel pain, Ninae is not the expert here, and imo she should stop pretending she is.

Like I said, lots of fascists and racists have the same logic she applies. Convince yourself than it's okay. BS!
 
One Thousand Words said:
You have obviously never fished. It seems to me that an ability to scream in pain is your only prerequisite to being able to eat something. Not having eyelids probably reduces their ability to express their true emotions. I have hunted eels since I was a young barefoot kid in the bush and I can attest to not only their intelligence and cunning, but also their desire for revenge.

Octopuses are another creature which although evolutionary speaking may be less developed than vertebrate, possess an amazing ability to solve complex puzzles.

They are delicious too.
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This
 
Unfortunate abject was cornered into leaving the thread by page 2. I enjoyed his point of view as well as otw's. Decent thread but deeply lacking in sources and sprinkled with a lot of shit talking. Not subscribing.
 
baooozs said:
Unfortunate abject was cornered into leaving the thread by page 2. I enjoyed his point of view as well as otw's. Decent thread but deeply lacking in sources and sprinkled with a lot of shit talking. Not subscribing.
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But if you think this, perhaps you should join in and try and improve it? :)
 
willow11 said:
But if you think this, perhaps you should join in and try and improve it? :)
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I'd rather not be called a haughty schoolmaster after presenting a well supported viewpoint in a completely civil manner. I'll politely decline your invitation. I did just read all 26 pages at once so that should count for something at least.

I also have many farms and slaughter my animals halal. I eat tongue, testicles, brain, intestines, eyes, ears and every other orrifice of an animal where meat can be found.

Ps. This steak is delicious.

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Willow, if you don't mind me asking...a/s/l? I'm sure I can get you to munch on some sausage at the very least.
 
baooozs said:
I'd rather not be called a haughty schoolmaster after presenting a well supported viewpoint in a completely civil manner. I'll politely decline your invitation. I did just read all 26 pages at once so that should count for something at least.

I also have many farms and slaughter my animals halal. I eat tongue, testicles, brain, intestines, eyes, ears and every other orrifice of an animal where meat can be found.

Ps. This steak is delicious.

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Willow, if you don't mind me asking...a/s/l? I'm sure I can get you to munch on some sausage at the very least.
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Lol..
 
baooozs said:
I'd rather not be called a haughty schoolmaster after presenting a well supported viewpoint in a completely civil manner. I'll politely decline your invitation. I did just read all 26 pages at once so that should count for something at least.
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Sorry, I must have missed where you were called that.

My comment was genuine. I wasn't being passive aggressive or anything like that. I think you may have taken it in the wrong way. Oh well.

Willow, if you don't mind me asking...a/s/l? I'm sure I can get you to munch on some sausage at the very least.
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You serious? Grow up dude.
 
willow11 said:
My comment was genuine. I wasn't being passive aggressive or anything like that. I think you may have taken it in the wrong way. Oh well.
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I'm sure it was.

Was this one sincere as well:

Sorry, I must have missed where you were called that.
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If it's still hard to decipher that I was talking about your comment towards abject, I'll kindly point you to page 2..right about where this thread turned to shit. And not the kind you put on grass for cows to eat either. More like the diarrhea kind you get after a vegan Indian spicy curry dinner.

Grow up dude.
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Easy. All I have to do is increase my meat intake.

You serious?
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Just checked your profile and it says you're male. No thanks.
 
willow has maintained his composure pretty damn well for 40 pages.
Nobody's perfect, but he certainly hasn't acted like you acting right now.
I'm not sure if you're a teenager, but that's how you're coming across ATM.

You're derailing a thread by going on off on a tangent about how the thread was derailed.
You're cornering someone about cornering someone.
Grow up.

ur the one who needs to grow up that was a quality post
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No, it wasn't.
It's "shit-talking" and more so than most people are doing, around here.
 
I'll go and do some nutritional soul searching. Before that though I'll search for a sense of humor. Might start a thread with an OP like this:

I don't have a sense of humor. Now I'm not biased towards people who do or don't but I'd like the pros and cons of having one in order to validate myself. I'll take into account and immediately dismiss all facts presented. Thanks.

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