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Don't kid yourself that people don't think you stink. It is very rare for polite people to inform even their close friends that they smell. It's takes an extremely confident person to destroy another human being like that

This week alone I had two women comment on the fact that I smelled nice. I can assure you that I use more than baking powder and natural pheromones to attract the opposite sex.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Don't kid yourself that people don't think you stink. It is very rare for polite people to inform even their close friends that they smell. It's takes an extremely confident person to destroy another human being like that
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What kind of friend lets a friend go around stinking? It is your duty as a good friend to politely tell them they have a problem they need to take care of. If it were me stinking, I would be angry if they didn't tell me.
There is someone at work who reeks like meat sandwiches that have turned sour, and he sweats out rancid pork grease all day. I don't like him for other reasons so I avoid him and never say a word. Other people seem to be uncomfortable to be around him, and in the 6 weeks he has been here, I assume everyone else is too polite to tell him because he hasn't stopped stinking.
 
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Soap messes with our natural biome. As long as you shower semi regularly it isn't really needed. I use baking soda. There is much on this subject.

The skin is an organ. All the chemicals we dump on it many of us on a daily basis is bad for it and us, and can make us smell worse/less able to deal with stuff.

I find synthetics absolutely disgusting, revolting, and frankly I want to commit mass murder against those who use them. Or at least force them to change or eat a bullet.

I agree some people really stink. I'm saying I can go a week at this point before I smell as bad as most do in about two days. Not that you want to bury your face in my ass.

I do usually shower before going on dates.. I would much prefer to smell the girl I'm on a date with, than some shit made in a factory/lab.
 
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I'm not trying to make you feel bad, and maybe you have already done this and are sure of yourself, but maybe from time to time, you should ask a close friend to make sure you smell OK.
Also, I agree on the synthetics being disgusting. Some people use certain soaps, body washes, laundry detergents that make my eyes burn and my nose run.
 
I have. My mom/dad would tell me, too. My mom definitely would... Not that she can smell much though over the crap she dumps on herself.

If the world shifted and I didn't have access to clean running water, I would try to find clay, and I would coat my body in it. At least the nether regions and maybe my face.
 
murphythecat said:
we would have to agree on the definition of real. material are all impermanent. they have a reality. the material reality is real in that sense.
the idea of a self, a entity, is not real though.
there is suffering but no sufferer. there is the deed but no doer, there is the path but nobody to enter it. ect.

corelesness (non-self) is one of the three characteristic of existence: impermanence, stress/suffering/insatisfaction, corelesness.


definitely, the idea of a self must take a back seat. there is much more important thing in life then me. to experience reality and the moment present, we must give up a lot of ego/thoughts.

about the body belonging to you. your heart is you, your bladder, your lungs, your nose. all you? so you have many self. or yourself is a conglomorate of many things that you put together and call, me! the me is a mental fomation.
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it is a mental impression representing something real. Therefore, it is an allusion of the real, as it is experienced indirectly through sensory processing. The illusion of separating things serves a functional purpose. The ego is as real as anything else, the illusion is believing your reality is actuality. Objective reality is mysterious. Objectively, we are all one reality. But, we are not in a position to see this reality. We can keep climbing to a more objective position, but we can't project our consciousness outside of existence. We can only imagine ourselves on the outside looking in. But, we are never actually on the outside. We are always on the inside looking out imagining what is real and what is not real. Too much focus on objectivity and you can lose sight of yourself. Too much focus on yourself and you neglect the other. Its about a balance and harmony. Self preservation in balance with empathy and compassion. Too much self preservation and you destroy the other. Too much empathy and you destroy your self.

In other words, I do agree that there is no seperate component that makes up the self. My ego disagrees that the Ego is not real. I believe that it is an emergent property of our nervous system, as is every experience created our brain. I think calling Ego an illusion is misleading. I think there is a difference between saying there is no permanent self and there is no self. Only the entire system of existence(actuality) and nonexistence(potentiality) is permanent. Even this moment is just another expression of our subjective experience of perceiving time. According to your logic, even this moment is not real as it is a mental abstraction of something that already occured. By the time you process the stimulus enough to become consciously aware of the moment, the moment has since passed.
 
Nothing wrong with smelling natural IMO. There is a problem with smelling like you haven't cleaned yourself. I went to work with a guy that only bathed once a fortnight and his odour would emnate through the entire workplace. He was aware of it but considered it to be other peoples problem. Sweat doesn't smell bad to me, but dried and caked on sweat with sweat on top does smell awful. This guys smelled unclean.

I wear deodorant under my arms and I spray a bit of stuff on my clothing after smoking.
 
That's what most people would do. Keep yourself clean, for pleasure or/and to live and work with others..
 
turkalurk said:
it is a mental impression representing something real. Therefore, it is an allusion of the real, as it is experienced indirectly through sensory processing. The illusion of separating things serves a functional purpose. The ego is as real as anything else, the illusion is believing your reality is actuality. Objective reality is mysterious. Objectively, we are all one reality. But, we are not in a position to see this reality. We can keep climbing to a more objective position, but we can't project our consciousness outside of existence. We can only imagine ourselves on the outside looking in. But, we are never actually on the outside. We are always on the inside looking out imagining what is real and what is not real. Too much focus on objectivity and you can lose sight of yourself. Too much focus on yourself and you neglect the other. Its about a balance and harmony. Self preservation in balance with empathy and compassion. Too much self preservation and you destroy the other. Too much empathy and you destroy your self.

In other words, I do agree that there is no seperate component that makes up the self. My ego disagrees that the Ego is not real. I believe that it is an emergent property of our nervous system, as is every experience created our brain. I think calling Ego an illusion is misleading. I think there is a difference between saying there is no permanent self and there is no self. Only the entire system of existence(actuality) and nonexistence(potentiality) is permanent. Even this moment is just another expression of our subjective experience of perceiving time. According to your logic, even this moment is not real as it is a mental abstraction of something that already occured. By the time you process the stimulus enough to become consciously aware of the moment, the moment has since passed.
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Id say that relative truth based on our experience of reality thru the 5 senses is not objective reality, its relative. its conditioned and more importantly, it will end.
I think there a objective reality in that everyone can find it and that we all have access to that objective reality.
objective reality, at least in bouddhism, is nibbana.
also, theres stage of insight. the first insight of nobody there (nibbana) doesnt enlightened oneself, but it shows him that theres a reality without the me. thats why they say: there is the path, but nobody to enter it.

the ego is everything we think we are. but as soon as we try to remove layers of the self, everything that you take as me, you realize that all that is left is the knower. then you look at what the knower is. where is the knower when asleep. or, what and who was the knower when I was 5, 10, 15 years old. that was all me? at 5, I thought I knew everything, at 15, less so, and at 25, I know I know nothing really. so all that knower was me? impossible. the self is a mental formation. there no you, no self. nothing to protect as nothing is your own.

to experience this moment fully, mindfulness and stilness of mind is mandatory. we need to go below the surface of thoughts, sense-contact, feelings and reach our inner being.
 
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What 23 said:
I have. My mom/dad would tell me, too. My mom definitely would... Not that she can smell much though over the crap she dumps on herself.

If the world shifted and I didn't have access to clean running water, I would try to find clay, and I would coat my body in it. At least the nether regions and maybe my face.
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And you will die a virgin
 
My apartment smells bad because I don't take trash out very often. I just don't produce very much that I don't think is recycleable. So often there is rotting meat smell. But it ain't me. Haha.
 
Dude no. I've had sex with like 50. :D

If you think from what I wrote I'm young and live with mom and dad I don't/am not.. They are just more or less my closest friends.
 
murphythecat said:
Id say that relative truth based on our experience of reality thru the 5 senses is not objective reality, its relative. its conditioned and more importantly, it will end.
I think there a objective reality in that everyone can find it and that we all have access to that objective reality.
objective reality, at least in bouddhism, is nibbana.

to experience this moment fully, mindfulness and stilness of mind is mandatory. we need to go below the surface of thoughts, sense-contact and reach our inner being.
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i think nirvana is a feature of brain funtioning that results when the self is supressed, but is still an experience of reality and is still subjectively experience. It is an experience of a more transcended sense of self, but still a sensation occuring in the brain when parietal brain activity is decreased.

University of Missouri

Selflessness - The Core of All Major World Religions - Has Neuropsychological Connection, MU Study Finds
Dec. 17, 2008
Story Contact: Jennifer Faddis, (573) 882-6217, [email protected]
COLUMBIA, Mo. – All spiritual experiences are based in the brain. That statement is truer than ever before, according to a University of Missouri neuropsychologist. An MU study has data to support a neuropsychological model that proposes spiritual experiences associated with selflessness are related to decreased activity in the right parietal lobe of the brain. The study is one of the first to use individuals with traumatic brain injury to determine this connection. Researchers say the implication of this connection means people in many disciplines, including peace studies, health care or religion can learn different ways to attain selflessness, to experience transcendence, and to help themselves and others.
This study, along with other recent neuroradiological studies of Buddhist meditators and Francescan nuns, suggests that all individuals, regardless of cultural background or religion, experience the same neuropsychological functions during spiritual experiences, such as transcendence. Transcendence, feelings of universal unity and decreased sense of self, is a core tenet of all major religions. Meditation and prayer are the primary vehicles by which such spiritual transcendence is achieved.
“The brain functions in a certain way during spiritual experiences,” said Brick Johnstone, professor of health psychology in the MU School of Health Professions. “We studied people with brain injury and found that people with injuries to the right parietal lobe of the brain reported higher levels of spiritual experiences, such as transcendence.”
This link is important, Johnstone said, because it means selflessness can be learned by decreasing activity in that part of the brain. He suggests this can be done through conscious effort, such as meditation or prayer
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What 23 said:
My apartment smells bad because I don't take trash out very often. I just don't produce very much that I don't think is recycleable. So often there is rotting meat smell. But it ain't me. Haha.
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you must be quite the ladies man if you can cover your balls and face in clay and still get laid!
 
I believe theres mind and body, connected sure, but very distinct and separated.
you realize nibbana or enlightenment with your consciousness, not with the body and the body has nothing to do with state of concentration, purifications, mindfulness ect.
turkalurk said:
i think nirvana is a feature of brain funtioning that results when the self is supressed, but is still an experience of reality and is still subjectively experience. It is an experience of a more transcended sense of self, but still a sensation occuring in the brain when parietal brain activity is decreased.
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also, nibbana is unconditioned reality. objective reality can only be unconditioned, otherwise it couldnt be objective.
concentration, meditation, mindfulness are all states that are conditioned.
but a important aspect of nibbana is that its unconditioned. to say it differently, its always available no matter the conditioned state we found ourselve in.
here some interesting reading http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/desilva/wheel407.html
 
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What 23 said:
My apartment smells bad because I don't take trash out very often. .....So often there is rotting meat smell. But it ain't me. Haha.
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If it gets bad enough, the rotten smell in your apartment will saturate your clothes and hair, and some people will be able smell it. I know from experience.
 
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