Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

[pasha]

What about ecologically?

But that's been discussed to death in this thread. And the other side of the coin has been presented that even a vegan diet has equivalent if not worst ecological consequences. Perhaps you should read the thread? I'm not here to give you her cliff notes.

'First world problem', no?

Are you suggesting that since I eat halal meat, and I am Muslim, I am oblivious to ecological problems or as you put it 'first world problems.'

 

[spacejunk]

Again, you seem rather defensive when being asked to elaborate upon your strongly held opinion.
Are you interested in discussing the topic, or are you more interested in trying to dominate it?
I'm not even taking sides, just interested in where you're coming from.

Or just get pissed off at me for asking questions.

 

[What 23]

Yes and maybe also the violent reactions people have when I air my thoughts that the white race (however ambiguous that term might prove) shouldn't blend itself away via mass immigration from the third world, and shouldn't hand their countries over, like Sweden has... Maybe reactions to that and my certain "White Supremacism" are born of knowing I'm right, jealousy, fear, etc. Yes. This is why people get so vile with me, like bit-pattern... Who also got violent with me when I said that gay marriage isn't at all marriage like a male female marriage can e marriage, and that sex between a man and a woman... Penis and vagina, is superior. Because they know I'm right. That's why they hate me. I see it all so clearly now.

 

[GodandLove]

yeah, its not for health reason at all, only for moral reasons. Id think that most vegetarian that do it seriously and will do it for most there life do it for moral reasons.

one hater after another. I guess, its guilt talking over and over. welcome back, guilt!

So you're only promoting veganism because you believe that "eating animals is immoral", correct? Not that it somehow makes the world a better place, just that it's immoral and you shouldn't do it, because it's "dirty and sinful".

You then contort this "belief" into a form of pseudorationalism and use it as a manipulation tactic to guilt others into thinking the way you do. I bet you get off on that don't you?

It's not about the animals, it's about you imposing your will onto others isn't it?

Hmmmmm, who else operates like that? Who else uses manipulation to guilt people into conditioned ways of being?

Sociopaths? Yeah, sociopaths.

Oh and the religious.... That's a big one.

Sociopathy and religion often go hand and hand.

By the way, which faith do you follow?

 

[spacejunk]

I dont think the two topics are really analogous at all, what 23.

 

[What 23]

He is a buddhist monk (and very enlightened) who sacrificed his girlfriend and has no friends.

 

[pasha]

Again, you seem rather defensive when being asked to elaborate upon your strongly held opinion.
Are you interested in discussing the topic, or are you more interested in trying to dominate it?
I'm not even taking sides, just interested in where you're coming from.

Or just get pissed off at me for asking questions.

"Pissed, defensive, strongly held opinion" - will you listen to yourself. I'm not even interested in this entire topic and had it not been for a report I would have never even opened the thread and bothered to read it. I have no strong opinion. You asked for me to explain what halal had to do with ethicis, I explained. You asked about the specific use if the term harmful on a wider scale, I gave you my answer, which is, that I share the opinion of those that believe that vegan diets have their own ecological pitfalls.

Are you trying to deter from the fact that you made a racist statement by making all these judgements and accusations about by motives? Because you didn't answer my question...

I wanted out long ago. Now that the thread has lost its comedic value eg ninae's ignorant statements being taken for a ride by busty or abject schooling willy Wonka from the kick off or me revealing the truth behind Willys intentions, I want out even more. I'm not even giving this silly OP the benefit of having his thread bumped to the top of the roster.

You vegans can eat as many veggies as you want but we all know you crave the sausage and have it in your mouths behind closed doors.

 

[murphythecat]

So you're only promoting veganism because you believe that "eating animals is immoral", correct? Not that it somehow makes the world a better place, just that it's immoral and you shouldn't do it, because it's "dirty and sinful".

You then contort this "belief" into a form of pseudorationalism and use it as a manipulation tactic to guilt others into thinking the way you do. I bet you get off on that don't you?

It's not about the animals, it's about you imposing your will onto others isn't it?

Hmmmmm, who else operates like that? Who else uses manipulation to guilt people into conditioned ways of being?

Sociopaths? Yeah, sociopaths.

Oh and the religious.... That's a big one.

Sociopathy and religion often go hand and hand.

By the way, which faith do you follow?

yes, I dont eat meat because I believe killing should be avoided. we should try, as smart beings, as much as we can, to protect sentient beings.

its not pseudorationalism to realize how much suffering we impose to animals, its only seeing the reality. time to open your eye.
my religion has nothing to do with that. actually, anyone who doesnt understand how killing animals is cruel are sociopath to me.

 

[spacejunk]

Are you suggesting that since I eat halal meat, and I am Muslim, I am oblivious to ecological problems or as you put it 'first world problems.'

No, you are taking that completely out of context.

"Racist", "ignorant" "you vegans"
- may i suggest you apply the same self reflection to your own posts?
For the record, i didnt assume that halal farming makes you a muslim - many farmers in my country slaugter animals this way, as it opens up more markets to their produce.

Are you suggesting that i am vegan because i'm not taking your side of the "debate"?

 

[What 23]

Hey Murphy. My friend when I was little... My best friend, his family had a word for the penis and it was Murphy. Heiney was the butt. And when they went wee wee it was wee wee and when they went loadies it was loadies.

Essentially your name is penisvagina when it gets down to it, and that

 

[GodandLove]

yes, I dont eat meat because I believe killing should be avoided. quite the contrary, we should try, as smart beings, as much as we can, to protect sentient beings.

its not pseudorationalism to realize how much suffering we impose to animals, its only seeing the reality. time to open your eye.
my religion has nothing to do with that. actually, anyone who doesnt understand how killing animal is cruel are sociopath to me.

There you go again, setting perimeters/conditions and injecting circumstance favorable/fine tuned to your individual belief system. Protect only "Sentient beings"? You can't put perimeters/conditions on nature, sorry. Nor can you impose "inherited moral perceptions" on the free thinking human mind. Maybe you should take your own advice and wipe the rheum away because there's obviously something obstructing your vision.

 

[pasha]

No, you are taking that completely out of context.

No, no I'm not. And you know it.

"Racist", "ignorant" "you vegans"
- may i suggest you apply the same self reflection to your own posts?

I have taken your advice and reflected upon the quoted words and they're perfectly acceptable within their given contexts. Your statement was not taken out of context as it was the entire statement itself which was offensive.

For the record, i didnt assume that halal farming makes you a muslim - many farmers in my country slaugter animals this way, as it opens up more markets to their produce.

Then you're dearly misinformed. You have to be a Muslim to produce halal meat. You don't have to be Muslim to eat it. More fun facts, Muslims are in certain circumstances allowed to eat non halal meat and kosher meat is permitted because it follows a similar protocol.

Are you suggesting that i am vegan because i'm not taking your side of the "debate"?

I honestly misread one of your earlier posts due to the format. A weak counter statement for making a racist comment nonetheless. The term 'first world problem' is inherently racist.

Don't you get tired of this at some point? Nitpicking posts, intellectual masturbation, slight jabs, tip toeing around making adhoms and racist remarks and defamation when someone's slightly crossed the line. I can sit here and circle jerk with you all day if that's what you're after.

 

[spacejunk]

Willow, if you don't mind me asking...a/s/l? I'm sure I can get you to munch on some sausage at the very least.

Just checked your profile and it says you're male. No thanks.

Saying "first world problems" is not racist.
Referring to the "first world" is - if anything - ridiculously outdated capitalist bullshit, granted, but i'm not trying to debate the merits of communism with you.

We can discuss bigotry and hypocrisy if that suits you better?

Simply suggesting you look at the big picture.
But thats a bit too much for you. And you know it.

 

[murphythecat]

There you go again, setting perimeters/conditions and injecting circumstance favorable/fine tuned to your individual belief system. Protect only "Sentient beings"? You can't put perimeters/conditions on nature, sorry. Nor can you impose "inherited moral perceptions" on the free thinking human mind.

I loved meat. its ethics were talking about, not preferences. I wish I didnt feel bad eating meat, as I love meat.

how opportun to not take moral responsability and always resort to the same non sense argumentation of the way nature is. I dont care about how exterior nature works, I only care about my choices and how much of my choice affect the world and my inner world. I feel I can know quite certainly in almost every situation what is more right and what is more wrong. killing for me feel wrong in all my being.

if you want to pretend you cannot know for sure what is wrong or right, thats its all view point and even that morality and ethics isnt governed by universal law, you have the right to think that, but I dont.

 

[pasha]

Saying "first world problems" is not racist.
Referring to the "first world" is - if anything - ridiculously outdated capitalist bullshit, granted, but i'm not trying to debate the merits of communism with you.

We can discuss bigotry and hypocrisy if that suits you better?

Simply suggesting you look at the big picture.
But thats a bit too much for you. And you know it.

Outdated capitalist bullshit, a clear attempt at damage control.

Hardly a clever escape. You used the only leverage you had in those quoted posts. What now?

Again with the circle jerk but okay, let's discuss bigotry and hypocrisy. Let's start with bigotry.

 

[spacejunk]

Defensive much?
The quotes were in reference to your 'circle jerk' remark. See what i quoted? Reads as bigotry, but i'm obviously misreading your garbage like you're misreading mine.

Circle jerk...Ironic, when you seem to post a lot of one-liners in the nudie thread.

 

[swilow]

I have no problem with bias, I have a problem with being propagated into thinking someone's on the fence.

I've only really ever tried to be unbiased. I certainly wouldn't say that I've succeeded. I guess you are ideologically 100% pure unlike every other human ever. Your problem is that you've let your bias inform your reading of the thread. You are unable to separate the idea's in the OP from the poster. I made very effort to be as open-minded as humanly possible, but some people have found that to be either insincere or insulting. Its fallen short of the mark, but at least I tried. I'm not sure you have which is unfair.

I wanted out long ago. Now that the thread has lost its comedic value eg ninae's ignorant statements being taken for a ride by busty or abject schooling willy Wonka from the kick off or me revealing the truth behind Willys intentions, I want out even more. I'm not even giving this silly OP the benefit of having his thread bumped to the top of the roster.

Are you always this flippant? I'm happy to listen to whatever idea's you have, but not when you act like you have been. You keep talking about things that happened like 3 weeks ago which was 3 weeks before I'd ever even read your name before. It seems kind of like you've just wanted to start shit from the get-go and then back away from it once a few people raised their concern.

I'm tempted to bait you because I think you deserve it, but I'm too stoned.

You vegans can eat as many veggies as you want but we all know you crave the sausage and have it in your mouths behind closed doors.

That's the same pretty bad dick joke that you made earlier. It hasn't really improved with age.

Out of some kind of respect for people, why don't you keep this shit in the Lounge? Seriously, its just unpleasant in this context.

 

[pasha]

Defensive much?
The quotes were in reference to your 'circle jerk' remark. See what i quoted? Reads as bigotry, but i'm obviously misreading your garbage like you're misreading mine.

Circle jerk...Ironic, when you seem to post a lot of one-liners in the nudie thread.

The whole defensive much you're angry tactic is weak. I know its a proven method to get someone riled up in debate but try harder.

So this is what this is all about, me posting in the lounge. Tell me about this big picture you speak of? We have not heard of such a thing in these foreign 3rd world nations. But before you do, a/s/l? If you turn out to be a female I'll leave meat for good besides getting legitimately turned on. Although, the way this opiate comedown is driving my libido I could fuck a guy. Once it hits full throttle I might even have a gang bang with you, god and love, ms Murphy, ninae, willy Wonka, and busty without even having to add him to the list.

 

[Journyman16]

I'd be munching popcorn except it's a grain... :D I don't think even vegans should eat grains, although it is OK for many vegetarians because it helps them taste good... :D

 

[GodandLove]

I loved meat. its ethics were talking about, not preferences.

how opportun to not take moral responsability and always resort to the same non sense argumentation of the way nature is. I dont care about how exterior nature works, I only care about my choices and how much of my choice affect the world and my inner world. I feel I can know quite certainly in almost every situation what is more right and what is more wrong.

if you want to pretend you cannot know for sure what is wrong or right, thats its all view point and even that morality and ethics isnt governed by universal law, you have the right to think that, but I dont.

Nature is Nature, she does what she wants. The exterior is just a reflection of the interior, there is not and never has been an "out here". Everything takes place within, surprise. I'm not the one trying to project illusions of morality onto a moral resistant canvas. You are. I'm not the one playing pretend, diluting myself with delusions of sanctity. For I know that there is no such thing as right or wrong, good or evil. These are constructs, symptoms of the ego, a mind bound to unreality.....A mind bound to Boundaries... A mind bound to Limitations... To No's, dont's and can'ts.

Sorry, but I'm a Yes man and I say yes to infinity and I say yes to infinite possibility. Nothing is off limits for me, my mind is as free as the breeze. I've destroyed the ego. Nothing is unholy, nothing is auspicious, for everything is of God and everything is of divinity, and everything is one. No compartmentalization.