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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

can you try to be more inflammatory?
the lights are on you
baooozs said:
I'm sure it was.

Was this one sincere as well:



If it's still hard to decipher that I was talking about your comment towards abject, I'll kindly point you to page 2..right about where this thread turned to shit. And not the kind you put on grass for cows to eat either. More like the diarrhea kind you get after a vegan Indian spicy curry dinner.



Easy. All I have to do is increase my meat intake.



Just checked your profile and it says you're male. No thanks.
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It was a few tongue in cheek comments. You're free to interpret them as you wish but OP engaged me and I obliged.

Why do you always put quoted posts after your own? There's a certain logic behind having the quoted post first. I would explain but I promised to be out.

Goodbye
 
because anyone still read the post then the quoted post I imagine :)
baooozs said:
It was a few tongue in cheek comments. You're free to interpret them as you wish but OP engaged me and I obliged.

Why do you always put quoted posts after your own? There's a certain logic behind having the quoted post first. I would explain but I promised to be out.

Goodbye
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Well isn't this odd? This is the 2nd time that I am honestly stumped by reactions to this topic. :\

I don't know why it seems to be assumed that I care at all about how anyone else lives. I really don't care about the anonymous strangers that consist of most of the internet. You can eat fucking Egyptian pyramids for all I care. It seems that this topic is offensive to people in some way. If you eat meat, that is one thing that you do that I don't agree with, but I don't think it really has much greater meaning to most who do it. For that reason, I don't look down or judge people for eating meat because it is minor/insignificant. Most really good and valuable people eat meat. That they eat meat doesn't change anything to me. Why can't I be granted the same fucking clemency? There is no condemnation FROM ME; this is all being utterly imagined and I have said this continuously. Instead of getting insulted, why not actually read and thus avoid coming across illogically and unreasonably?
 
It was a few tongue in cheek comments. You're free to interpret them as you wish but OP engaged me and I obliged.
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That doesn't accurately portray what you did/said.

when people are so defensive and offensive, its when they are in the wrong or feel they may be wrong
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Yep. There's a lot more anger coming from the meat eating side.
Numerous people feel like they're being attacked in some way, but - really - I think they're fighting their own guilt.
That's how it comes across, anyway... Otherwise, I'm not sure why everyone's getting so worked up.

I'll go and do some nutritional soul searching. Before that though I'll search for a sense of humor.
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Apparently if people don't think you're funny, they don't have a sense of humor?
You contradicted yourself and came across as (hypocritically) rude/antagonistic.
 
ForEverAfter said:
That doesn't accurately portray what you did/said.
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Lesson #1 in philosophy. No one can accurately portray an event, each person has a different perspective which is influenced by countless factors. Keyword being perspective. I honestly, unlike claiming to honestly not care, don't care what anyone eats.

I was raised in a very multicultural background. Having read the thread from the beginning though I couldn't help but catch a whiff of the bias in willy Wonkas tone, contrary to OP. The most obvious of all posts in which he casually dished an ad-hom at abject by labeling him a haughty schoolmaster when being presented with a perfectly reasonable argument.

Having finished 26 pages all I was left thinking was "I've been fooled by the OP into believing he was non-biased."

That's my perspective. You're free to have yours. You can get back to chatting about the OP or continue chatting about my 2-3 posts if the main subject is really that boring for you.
 
Going vegan obviously isn't about procuring health benefits, as study after study has shown vegans/vegetarians are no more "healthy" than their meat eating counterparts and in some cases are actually even less so.

So the only reason left to be a vegan is for the whole self righteous ideology of sparing animals from "unnecessary suffering" and the belief that you're somehow "morally superior" for doing so.
"Im a vegan bro, don't mess with me, I have morals and I care about animals more than you."
What? Starving children in Africa depend on meat as a viable source of protein? Nutrition is scarce? Huh?
What does that have to do with anything?
Who cares, I'm not a philanthropist, IM A DAMN VEGAN!
Screw the children in Africa! I'm better than you!"
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Well, vegans/vegetarians, guess what? I'm trans-species. That's right.

IM AN ALPHA MALE LION!

MY back is to the wall and I've got mouths to feed, MY PRIDE IS DEPENDING ON ME! I aint got time to be worrying about this buffalo's feelings and I'll be damned if I ever let one of these buffalo manipulate me into feeling sorry for it.

I'M A LION!

THIS IS WHAT I DO!

Out here in the wild, game is game, it's not how you play it, it's if you win or lose. And I aint gonna lose, that's for DAMN SURE!

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Try getting in my way, I dare you.
 
GodandLove said:
So the only reason left to be a vegan is for the whole self righteous ideology of sparing animals from "unnecessary suffering"
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yeah, its not for health reason at all, only for moral reasons. Id think that most vegetarian that do it seriously and will do it for most there life do it for moral reasons.

one hater after another. I guess, its guilt talking over and over. welcome back, guilt!
 
British Medical Journal - 2015

Conclusions Dietary recommendations were introduced for 220 million US and 56 million UK citizens by 1983, in the absence of supporting evidence from RCTs.
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http://openheart.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000196.full

At the very least, to restate what abject has said, all evidence based on clinical trials in the past 4 decades has been debunked and at the very least, the thesis that red meat is harmful needs to be seriously revisited.
 
baooozs said:
I was raised in a very multicultural background. Having read the thread from the beginning though I couldn't help but catch a whiff of the bias in willy Wonkas tone, contrary to OP. The most obvious of all posts in which he casually dished an ad-hom at abject by labeling him a haughty schoolmaster when being presented with a perfectly reasonable argument.

Having finished 26 pages all I was left thinking was "I've been fooled by the OP into believing he was non-biased."
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So you read the whole thread and somehow mistook the topic for being about me and my bias? Sorry for being human and not 100% consistent and fair as you must be. Unless you're not, in which case you are just being hypocritical and dishonest.

I try my hardest not to consider myself more important then others. I don't know if I succeed but at least I fucking try.

That's my perspective. You're free to have yours. You can get back to chatting about the OP or continue chatting about my 2-3 posts if the main subject is really that boring for you.
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You really should know better then to act like this. Have higher standards and try not to instinctively take sides. I'm sure Abject can defend herself/himself against comments made 3 or more weeks ago.
 
Abject chose to be the better man. I unfortunately didn't - and for that, I apologize.

I have no problem with bias, I have a problem with being propagated into thinking someone's on the fence.
 
baooozs said:
At the very least, to restate what abject has said, all evidence based on clinical trials in the past 4 decades has been debunked and at the very least, the thesis that red meat is harmful needs to be seriously revisited.
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Harmful to whom?
The individual human - clearly debatable, as this thread demonstrates - or the wider ecosystem we all share?
I'm not taking sides, but saying you are right and differing opinion is wrong is rather absolutist and overly defensive.
Regardless of what you are arguing.
Are you trying to say that not eating meat is somehow wrong? I dont know any vegans or vegetarians that eat that diet for (their own personal) health reasons alone. A plethora of other reasons, but none that i know personally that have adopted veganism or vegetarianism for their own personal health. Having said that, i have no doubt that such folk do exist; we are all different.
Thank goodness for that.

But i fail to see what halal has to do with ethics. Faith - sure; whatever. But ethics? Please enlighten us.
 
Physiologically harmful. I presented a clinical study from a medical journal so I thought that would be clear. I also said it needs to be revisited so I don't need to be told it's "clearly debatable."

Halal has several reasonings and the most prominent one in terms of ethics is that the blade during the dhabiha or the slaughter of the animal must be extremely sharp and the individual performing the slaughter must be very well trained to slit the throat as swiftly as possible to ensure minimal suffering.
 
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Yes the gay hedonist etc backlash against preachers that go to schools and bark at kids is because the gay hedonists etc feel bad etc. It has nothing to do with that the bible thumper is annoying, and many wouldn't mind seeing him get violently silenced by a bearwolfdogjesus.

Perhaps that is harsh.
 
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