[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

[rainey]

I am a normal mentally healthy noid user and have been using cannabis for over 40 years. I had no problem on the noids for the first few years.

To those who `think` that many don't have problems....I think you will find that they don't have problems because they haven't tried stopping yet!!!!!

I had no probs whatsoever when on them.

I am well versed in over 100 different rc`s I am not one of these people who had any other mitigating factors which dictated I was an `at risk` candidate for them I am/was just like all of you.

I read the horror stories and thought `yeah that's just YOU but that wont happen to me`

WRONG

I actually thought it was all the other shit that was causing my problems and for 4 months had nothing...no drugs alchohol painkillers NOTHING

I started again on 2 joints a day because without it I went back to smoking 50 cigs a day. 800 QUID A MONTH

Then after 4 months off the headaches started. All over my skull and one night I decided to try a joint to see if it would help so rolled a j of thj2201

ONE TOKE AND MY HEADACHE WAS GONE

WHAT WAS MORE FRIGHTENING WAS THAT I ALSO `INSTANTLY` FELT `NORMAL`

This is when I realised I was hopelessly addicted.

Without it I am COMPLETELY INSANE!!!

I spent half my life savings on ebay buying crap in an effort to cheer myself up but nothing worked.

I AM TERRIFIED NOW AND ALSO EXTREMELY PARANOID THAT ITS BRAIN TUMOURS I HAVE AND THE ONLY THING THAT TAKES AWAY THE PAIN IS THE NOIDS

I don't even know how to wean myself off as we are talking about going from 5mg down down down to micrograms.

I`ve tried NHS for help but they are out of their depth and clueless on what to do!

I feel lost and I am genuinely suicidal all the time.

Any advice on weaning down appreciated. Volumetric? I can measure down to 1ul using expensive auto pippetors but ive never dosed it orally or even know if it works

Heres another plan .....make a blend say 7g with 100mg in it smoke it a few days then stop for 3-4 days till the wd`s start then use my next blend with 90mg and so on

Each time I have 3-4days break then go back to it my tolerance will be well down so the lesser amounts each time will actually work on me

Would this work...do you understand my method?

Any help appreciated.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I AM IN TOTAL AGREEANCE WITH THE ACMD IN THE UK WHO ARE BANNING ALL CANNABOIDS

FOR ONCE THEY HAVE GOT IT RIGHT!!!

IF YOU EVEN BEGIN TO INCREASE YOUR DOSE STOP!!!!

I WAS PUTTING UP TO 10G IN 90G OF PLANT MATTER

I ACTUALLY FEEL RIGHT NOW THAT THE NOIDS ARE KEEPING ME ALIVE!!! THAT`S HOW BAD THINGS ARE!!!

ONE DAY I WILL POST UP THE HORRORS OF WHAT I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH AND YES YOU WILL THINK I AM INSANE/LOST THE PLOT/CALL IT WHAT YOU LIKE BUT I ASSURE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT I AM `ONE OF YOU` I AM NOT A RARE CASE OR AN ODDITY I LOVE MY DRUGS AND ALWAYS HAVE

I HAVE TRIED TO BE CAREFUL
I HAVE COUNCELLED OTHERS
I REALLY DID THINK `IT WONT HAPPEN TO ME`

YOU WANT ME TO THROW A SPANNER IN THE WORKS?.....WHEN I CAME OFF ALL THE OTHER RC`S AT FIRST I WAS ONLY ON NOIDS BUT I KNEW SOMETHING WASNT RIGHT...
SO I BOUGHT A 10 PANEL TESTING KIT FROM AMAZON

POSITIVE FOR

MORPHINE...CORRECT AS I HAD BEEN TAKING CO CODOMAL
HEROIN...WTF??? NEVER TOUCHED IT IN MY LIFE
SUBUTEX..WTF??? A HEROIN WITHDRAWAL DRUG

SO WAS MY VENDOR PUTTING SMACK INTO MY NOIDS? I CAN HEAR YOU ALL....`AYE VERY GOOD`... WISH HE`D PUT THAT IN MINE ETC

I WILL NEVER EVER KNOW BUT ITS A FACT

SO I COULD ACTUALLY BE COMING OFF SMACK I DONT KNOW

SEE HOW CONFUSING ALL THIS IS FOR ME

????

FUCK!!!!!

 

[jeremysdemo]

^^^ yes if you are doing heavy usage definitely taper down bro.

also to consider you don't really know what you have is THJ2201, a simple $100 and a 200mg sample sent to ecstacydata.org will let you know.

 

[jeremysdemo]

Thanks bro! That sucks about the dangers of smoking. Should I assume 5f-SDB-005 has the same risk?

by itself no, it is "odd" chained fluoridate, however much of what reached the market had impurities in it, one of them is even chained fluoridates, 2,4, etc when they do not bond or they will separate during degradation (noids begin degrading at anything below 32F degrees for most of them) when added to a solvent these impurities will bond to one another and a nice white "goo" will be found that does not dissolve, that's the fluoride you want to remove from any batch.

So does 2-3mgs soind like a safe starting oral dose for an average sized person? Sorry, there is just very little info out there.

the thing is you will not know until it is too late (for AB Fubinaca), it takes so long for it to take effect, not like smoking, and once it begins there is no turning back, it is not over as quick as the other MOA. My advice would be to have some CBD and/or Rimonabant on hand to counteract any overdose for the mice should seizures or other odd side effects occur.

Edit: I sort of fixed the main wiki page but was unable to provide a source as I am on a tablet.

Citations can be found on my US State Law page here, the federal registry link from Dec 16th is there.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

For those seeking out info about ab-fubinaca, I have experience with jwh-122, akb-48, 2ne1 among others and it's stronger then these three. The effects are way more in your face, with an psychedelic (for some anxiety and fear inducing) effects edge. Puts me to sleep anytime I overdue it, so a kind of sedating nature very unlike downers, as it induces fear also!

So handle with care I would advise, not a mellow synthetic cannabinoid. Boosts your tolerance up imo too other noids and the real thing.

 

[rainey]

^^^ yes if you are doing heavy usage definitely taper down bro.

also to consider you don't really know what you have is THJ2201, a simple $100 and a 200mg sample sent to ecstacydata.org will let you know.

yeah I need to get a printer then I can get it tested free

for anyone in the uk with a printer www.wedinos.com will test anything free of charge!

 

[jeremysdemo]

yeah I need to get a printer then I can get it tested free

for anyone in the uk with a printer www.wedinos.com will test anything free of charge!

YEp, just be careful, that lab does not distinguish between many legal RCs and illegal ones, they will find precursors (that are illegal) and not go all the way to find the actual chem and then publish those results. Keep in mind a testing facility is only as good as it's database is to identify substances and newer substances often are not in their databases.


One day we will have FREE testing here in the States, I don't want to give spoilers but it will happen, hopefully this year, it is just a matter of funding.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

@ Rainey. Well there are 2 possibilities one if the test is right you have to worry about the subutex, as I believe thats the only one actively enough at below 5 mg dosages to cause any problems. In this case you could use a opiod withdrawal plan. Using loperamide and the rest.

Scenario 2 is that you are, kinda like me, "addicted" like me to noids. And have to accept that without them you feel like crap (for a while). I find the withdrawal of noids and cannabis awfull, worse then then that of Kratom. The only reference to opiod addiction I have. I can eassely go without kratom it if i pass the wd phase.
Weed and later on noids, which make weed seem like a little baby, consumed me. I Feel incomplete, edgy, hyped up and ... incomplete.

Only thing that kinda helped was cannabis. Don't expect any wonders as it severely feels lacking compared to the synthetics. Btw I am now at least one month of Kratom and two weeks of noids. And finished my last bit of cannabis extract a week ago and I am still alive. Although I did break my vape device trying to suc the last bits out of it.

So I feel ya, hang in there Rainey, and if things get to hot or out of hand pm me or seek out help over here or with someone you feel comfterable with.

 

[treezy z]

money

I can buy cannabinoids at a couple of quid I can buy hash or weed at 100x the price

I am poor

that's it

no brainer...literally duh

same here. the blunts i smoke cost more than the blends i put in them.

 

[pharmakos]

yeah, the price difference is ridiculous. $20 worth of materials is enough to last me two or three months.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

I swear I don't know how to swim but hearsay says that oral ab fubianca(sp) is awesome and doses apparently are not much higher than when vaped i.e. .5-2mgs. Makes for very good medicine.

 

[DrGreenthumb]

I swear I don't know how to swim but hearsay says that oral ab fubianca(sp) is awesome and doses apparently are not much higher than when vaped i.e. .5-2mgs. Makes for very good medicine.

Not really very good medicine. It'd be better if it had been widely used without any incident for most of human history & was known not to cause kidney failure, seizures & death.

 

[theukscientist]

Oral AB-Fubinaca seemed more similar to oral Cannabis than any of the other synthetic cannabinoids I've tried (Ur-144, JWH-250, 5f-AKB-48) although as far as inhalation, when it was legal smoked JWH-018 really seemed like the holy grail of synthetic cannabinoids. I also find that small amounts of long-acting benzodiazepines like Diazepam 5mg can mitigate practically all of the anxiety from cannabinoids if taken orally about 30 mins before the RC is taken.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Not really very good medicine. It'd be better if it had been widely used without any incident for most of human history & was known not to cause kidney failure, seizures & death.

Not sure about kidney faliure but when speaking on seizures and death I think 99% of the time it was attributed to overdose. I could be wrong but I figured there was a reason that the pharm companies were actually looking into ab Fub. Hopefully our resident know-it-all jeremysdemo could drop in and drop some more knowledge.

 

[rainey]

I swear I don't know how to swim but hearsay says that oral ab fubianca(sp) is awesome and doses apparently are not much higher than when vaped i.e. .5-2mgs. Makes for very good medicine.

thanks for that it might be the one to
take me down a bit gentler

I am on thj 018 and sts135 t the moment as they are the weakest

I will try some volumetric down to ul`s with fubinica and see how I get on

 

[rainey]

YEp, just be careful, that lab does not distinguish between many legal RCs and illegal ones, they will find precursors (that are illegal) and not go all the way to find the actual chem and then publish those results. Keep in mind a testing facility is only as good as it's database is to identify substances and newer substances often are not in their databases.


One day we will have FREE testing here in the States, I don't want to give spoilers but it will happen, hopefully this year, it is just a matter of funding.

Thanks

They will be familiar as they are the only ones legal now here in the uk

It`s a uk site based in wales.

 

[rainey]

@ Rainey. Well there are 2 possibilities one if the test is right you have to worry about the subutex, as I believe thats the only one actively enough at below 5 mg dosages to cause any problems. In this case you could use a opiod withdrawal plan. Using loperamide and the rest.

Scenario 2 is that you are, kinda like me, "addicted" like me to noids. And have to accept that without them you feel like crap (for a while). I find the withdrawal of noids and cannabis awfull, worse then then that of Kratom. The only reference to opiod addiction I have. I can eassely go without kratom it if i pass the wd phase.
Weed and later on noids, which make weed seem like a little baby, consumed me. I Feel incomplete, edgy, hyped up and ... incomplete.

Only thing that kinda helped was cannabis. Don't expect any wonders as it severely feels lacking compared to the synthetics. Btw I am now at least one month of Kratom and two weeks of noids. And finished my last bit of cannabis extract a week ago and I am still alive. Although I did break my vape device trying to suc the last bits out of it.

So I feel ya, hang in there Rainey, and if things get to hot or out of hand pm me or seek out help over here or with someone you feel comfterable with.

Thanks at least I know someone understands.

I stayed off everything incl the noids for over 3 months and I could feel myself getting better slowly after the 3 months but like I say I was mad. I am smoking weak noids now that don't get me stoned but keep me `normal` I guess this means for the first time in my 40 years of drug use I am indeed well and truly addicted in the sense that I do not crave the recreational use at all but my body NEEDS this stuff just to keep me normal. I`ve never had to wean myself off anything so would appreciate input along the lines of...how long do you stay on one dose before you step down to the next and if I am going from say 5mg down to 20ul what would be the increments? Any ideas folks?

Every emotion was grossly exaggerated. I was getting into arguments with people over sheer trivia when not on it..

Yes cannabis well hell too but not like this. Edinburgh university done a study a few years back and 50% of people coming off cannabis displayed heroin like symptoms and the other 50 no withdrawals at all.

I am in the first 50

Advice on the tapering off appreciated.

I think thj 2201 was my downfall it seems very very strong.... be interesting to see what wedinos makes of it.

Getting a printer tonight so I am getting every one tested.

 

[Searching4truth]

I swear synthetic pot gave me asthma. Never again...

 

[rainey]

WOW

Don`t think I mentioned that. Now, I`ve never suffered asthma, but all during this and still now, I get what I call `the breathing thing` where its as though I want to give big breaths out. I have to get to a winow quick and breath in fresh air or when its bad run outside. Sometimes when its bad I feel faint and have to crouch down.

I `assumed` this was part of my withdrawal. Does this sound familiar to you/anyone?

I think my downfall was thj2201 so I downgraded to sts135 last week and used thj2201 when I needed sorting out.

Then I got some thj018 as that's weaker again and now the sts135 sorts me out so it seems to be working.

Hoping I can taper off on the thj018 or try and get something weaker again.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

thanks for that it might be the one to
take me down a bit gentler

I am on thj 018 and sts135 t the moment as they are the weakest

I will try some volumetric down to ul`s with fubinica and see how I get on

ab-fubinaca's strenght is a few steps up compared to these two, I have experience with all three and they are not, I repeat not in the same league.
For me ab-fubinaca coupled with some stressy circumstances was the first step which caused my so called reasonable use to skyrocket along with my tolerance to weaker noids

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Thanks at least I know someone understands.



Yes cannabis well hell too but not like this. Edinburgh university done a study a few years back and 50% of people coming off cannabis displayed heroin like symptoms and the other 50 no withdrawals at all.

I am in the first 50

Advice on the tapering off appreciated.

I think thj 2201 was my downfall it seems very very strong.... be interesting to see what wedinos makes of it.

My addiction to real cannabis and final withdrawal was my worst time ever. That's what probably helped me from not going apeshit with these noids and there short duration. So I always tried the less is more until my ab-fubinaca kinda blew it alongwith a gracious pinch of willpower weakener.

So I to got some noids again, so cheap and easy, can't make live easy without them. But I got [ratata] thj-018 and thj-2201 as I thought they sounded weak. I will carefully watch myself after reading up your reply about the 2201. Especially as I hate to look obviously under the influence, although I love the effect.