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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

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I am going to paste a letter from another forum below and I can tell you now that my situation is EXACTLY like this except multiply the 1-3 days by a non exaggerated factor of 100x

I was putting 10g into 80g of plant matter and chain smoking 50 a day!!!

After almost 4 months I had to go back on it after trying to get help in the uk NHS who simply thought I wanted mental help because I wanted to make a benefit claim!!!!!

I get more money from tax credits which my partner claims than I would from benefit duh!!!!!

DAVID CAMERON WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was genuinely suicidal.

I GOT NO HELP FROM THE NHS WHATSOEVER THEYT WERE TOTALLY CLUELESS

EXAMPLE `IF ITS ONLY CANNABIS OR CANNABINOIDS YOU ARE USING I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE THIS IS AN ADDICTION UNIT`

OH MY GOD!!!!!

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE UP AGAINST!!!!

HERE IS THEIR STORY IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ME EXCEPT I HAD TO GO BACK ON IT AS I WAS GOING TO END UP LOCKED UP

I AM TOTALLY `INSANE` WITHOUT IT AND AFTER ALMOST 4 MONTHS I WAS NO BETTER

I AM GOING TO TRY ORALLY DOSING IT AND TRY TO WEAN MYSELF OFF USING VOLUMETRIC MEASUREMENT

I AM ON MY OWN NOW THE SO CALLED PROFESSIONALS ARE TOTALLY AND UTTERLY USELESS

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Posted: May 1, 2013, 10:19 PM











I'll go ahead and give a snapshot of a year in recovery, what to expect:

DAY 1-3: Pure Hell. The rational, reasonable side of your brain had finally made the correct decision to stop this drug before it kills you. Problem: The rest of your mind and body will revolt like a toddler throwing a violent temper tantrum. Please warn your family and friends before you get started, or isolate yourself. I chose isolation for this phase. I'm not saying that's right, it's just what I happened to do.
As a full grown adult, I was reduced to newborn baby status on Days 1-3: Crying, puking, diarrhea, hungry, then nauseous and vomiting once I tried eating. Repeat. Could not sleep for more than a few hours, from what I remember. To be honest I think DAC, Allison, Tog, Sash or specifically Mermaid can better describe these days: I'm trying to remember what it was like a year ago and honestly my mind has blocked out a lot of it.


DAY4- first few weeks: Clouds will part and sunshine will spill through, the flu like symptoms have finally gone! I was euphoric these days, because I had beaten the demon. Once you've made it to day 4, DON"T LOOK BACK! Every day is easier after day 3.
You will deserve a sincere pat on the back once you get here. Please tell your story to others, it helps as well. By this time you can probably start eating your first solid food, for some reason I think I've read a few of us saying we ate spicy stuff? I have no idea why but I could only eat spicy boneless buffalo wings with celery and ranch dressing from Applebees. That's all I ate for lunch and dinner for nearly a week straight.

MONTH 1-2: For me the euphoric feeling of recovery subsided to an emotional roller coaster.... This is when the "will I ever be the same again" feelings really kicked in. I was VERY emotionally fragile. every time the phone rang my mind would reel, thinking it was going to be something horrible. I dreaded e-mails, phone calls, etc. Basically, the stressors of life become very hectic when you've been used to smoking your cares away for years, then stop. My mind had to figure out another coping mechanism other than drug use. Eventually mine became cooking/healthy eating and exercise.
During this time I could not watch the news, or even stressful TV shows. I had to strictly watch comedy and light hearted stuff. As I said, emotionally fragile. It WILL go away, I promise.
I also became very concerned with my health, the rational part of my brain kept wondering what sort of damage I had done. I went to the Doctors and had a plethora of tests run on me, even had my lungs x-rayed. I also had blood work done, cholesterol readings, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. All tests came back that I was perfectly fine!!!!


MONTH3-6: New coping mechanisms developed, emotionally stable, life back to normal. After I got my tests back that I was perfectly fine, I began to exercise regularly, mostly just to clear all the tar and crap out of my lungs at first. Once I started exercising, riding my mountain bike along beautiful mountain trails, I found I extremely enjoyed being out in nature. I also got the natural "runners high" from exercise, without the drug use. I got a euphoric feeling from working out, being healthy and in nature.
I think most importantly it was a new activity that demanded ALL of my attention and focus when I was doing it. Ever zipped through single track downhill mountain trails on a bike? It's not something you do while also worrying about bills and daily stressors. I had found a new activity that naturally decompressed my emotions, and I felt elated every time I was finished. I also began cooking, and every time I prepared a new dish I became more proud of myself and my self sufficiency.

MONTH 6-10 (current time for me): Life is normal: every day stressors are there as always, but are taken care of throughout the day and not worried about at night. No major issues or concerns. I drink a mug of sleepytime tea before bed and sleep 8 hours every night (or close to it). I'm clean, organized, I eat healthy and I work out 5 days a week (I don't work out on the weekends, unless unintentionally like mountain biking). I spend time with friends and family, and no one seems to know what happened to me at all. None of my work friends or co-workers had any idea that I had gone to the edge and came back. I'm not sure how. I didn't ever smoke synthetic AT work, but I think in the end months before I quit I may have smoked before I went in...

Like I said before, much of that time of my life is kind of a blur now. I think my mind is past it, and doesn't like to revisit, or possibly doesn't feel the need to remember. Just don't do it again!
 
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as a contrast, i feel it is prudent to recount a bit of my own experience smoking synthetic cannabinoids over the last four and a half years. i started out with what was, in my opinion, fairly heavy use -- a single gram of JWH-122 would last me about two weeks at the time. i was smoking with friends a lot more often back then, though, so that wasn't all going in my lungs. over time i started smoking less when i realized the road i was going down and was hearing reports like the one above of people that were using far more heavily than i was. these days a single gram of chemical lasts me anywhere from one to three months. i smoke maybe two to three times a day max, and usually just at the end of the day (sometimes throughout the day on my days off from work). the times that i have had to go without smoking i have experienced little to no withdrawal effects -- maybe a bit more apathy than usual, and a touch of insomnia, but no digestive disturbances or anything severe.

it IS possible to use this stuff responsibly. it is easy to go down the slippery slope from use to abuse, but it is not necessary. think before you toke, guys!
 
I was like you but my mistake was starting to put it into blends because of the hassle weighing small amounts.

It was so delicious I couldn't stop smoking it and after 2-3 years of one gram per 2-3 months my use rocketed because it definitely loses strength mixing it into blends.

But it was the fact that I was smoking the most delicious joints of my life....40 years on real cannabis....but nothing tasted like this lol

All those wee bottles of flavour man!

Amazing to think I used and abused over 100 different things but only cannabinoids caused me any problem or addiction.
 
I'm very interested in understanding people's motivation for using synthetic cannabinoids over regular marijuana.

?

money

I can buy cannabinoids at a couple of quid I can buy hash or weed at 100x the price

I am poor

that's it

no brainer...literally duh
 
Hi everyone.

I am on a tolerance break for 8 days (don't think I ever done that, yay!), but I want to order some cannabinoids to end that.
I tried most JWH (18, 73, 122), UR-144, and AM-2201.

Here are the ones I can get right now:
MAM-2201
JWH-122
UR-144
5F-AKB-48
AB-FUBINACA
FUB-PB22

If you had to choose between 2 or 3 of them, which one would you choose ?
I am after one that doesn't have a mongy effect the next morning. (Think AM-2201 was the worst for that, though it's been a long time I didn't have some).
Bear in mind that I had a huge tolerance to cannabis as well as most cannabinoids, I was able to smoke a gram of UR in a day, so I don't mind one that is very strong.

Thanks for your help.
 
JWH-122 I liked the most for sure, but I haven't done most of them. Fuck AM-2201 (dunno about MAM2201) as it made my hearing get muffled... fuck that shit.

Thanks for your input.
I was thinking of
5F-AKB-48
AB-FUBINACA
JWH-122

Any more input on that ?
I like being stoned. I would also like one that is orally active, so if I want to get stoned the whole day I don't end up smoking one gram of one of them.

Please, other people's input on that :)
 
look around for plain akb-48 not the f version if you can get that. For me it is the mildest of the ones available in the uk but is still stronger than some of amsterdams finest. It also is the only one that i wouldnt keep losing sleep as all the others i have tried have me waking up all the time through the night so i would be shattered the next morning in work and then i would get irritable and cranky. That is all i can say apart from dont smoke them at all and try and keep it real as i find these noids very very addictive.
 
Well it's gonna be the F one as I copy/pasted from where I'm gonna be ordering (don't really have any other EU source)
 
as compared to one of the other ones banned this year (AB-Pinaca) which was sold in the US for 3 years before reaching emerg status, missing quite a few emerg bans.
If it only took that much for a drug to be outlawed. All they need to do is get you high or even be beneficial to your health. It's medication and you just won't get it without payiong 10-100 times what it's worth after the producers and pharmacists who have studied five years to gain their license end up handing out meds they know less about than the patients forced to buy through them by the law. It's sickening. It's very quiet where I live, there is no drugstore within around 700m distance, yet there are 3 pharmacies within 100 meters of my home and they are all doing damn well, each always having at least 3 people working, sometimes up to 7. The drugstore had 1 working at all times and had to close down lol. If I take the train one station away from my place there is a pharmacy which never ever closes, people are working through on both xmas and nye. It's fucking insane. No other store is open 24/7 here, this being the 2nd largest city. Yet the 24/7 pharmacy can have 8 people working behinf 6 counters there and 3 at nighttime with 3 other pharmacies in about 30-40m distance. I am not shitting you.

The pharmaceutical industry, especially those which produce psychopharmaceuticals like stimulants, opiates and tranquilizers are very powerful and they just cannot have these things be sold by anyone but them. It's just schizophrenic that they make more than a doctor, yet are nothing but people standing behind the counter handing out what the doctor ordered them to and lying their asses off about those meds they can push without permission.

And let's not forget about the booze industry either. The structures in the drug industry are just too established for cannabinoids to be legal, not when they are used for whichever effects they may have when ingested.
 
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I was like you but my mistake was starting to put it into blends because of the hassle weighing small amounts.

It was so delicious I couldn't stop smoking it and after 2-3 years of one gram per 2-3 months my use rocketed because it definitely loses strength mixing it into blends.

But it was the fact that I was smoking the most delicious joints of my life....40 years on real cannabis....but nothing tasted like this lol

All those wee bottles of flavour man!

Amazing to think I used and abused over 100 different things but only cannabinoids caused me any problem or addiction.

hm, i do actually put my stuff into blends. how strong do you make your blends, though? i always make my blends strong enough that a puff or two is enough. and lately i haven't been adding flavorings.

Hi everyone.

I am on a tolerance break for 8 days (don't think I ever done that, yay!), but I want to order some cannabinoids to end that.
I tried most JWH (18, 73, 122), UR-144, and AM-2201.

Here are the ones I can get right now:
MAM-2201
JWH-122
UR-144
5F-AKB-48
AB-FUBINACA
FUB-PB22

If you had to choose between 2 or 3 of them, which one would you choose ?
I am after one that doesn't have a mongy effect the next morning. (Think AM-2201 was the worst for that, though it's been a long time I didn't have some).
Bear in mind that I had a huge tolerance to cannabis as well as most cannabinoids, I was able to smoke a gram of UR in a day, so I don't mind one that is very strong.

Thanks for your help.

if you have access to JWH-122 then get that for sure. i've tried a lot of the newer generation 'noids and none of them live up to the original JWHs.

MAM-2201 is probably pretty good too, but i haven't tried that one.
 
So there's gonna be one gram of JWH-122 for sure, as well as one of 5F-AKB-48.
I was also thinking of AB-Fubinaca, can anyone confirm ?
 
as a contrast, i feel it is prudent to recount a bit of my own experience smoking synthetic cannabinoids over the last four and a half years. i started out with what was, in my opinion, fairly heavy use -- a single gram of JWH-122 would last me about two weeks at the time. i was smoking with friends a lot more often back then, though, so that wasn't all going in my lungs. over time i started smoking less when i realized the road i was going down and was hearing reports like the one above of people that were using far more heavily than i was. these days a single gram of chemical lasts me anywhere from one to three months. i smoke maybe two to three times a day max, and usually just at the end of the day (sometimes throughout the day on my days off from work). the times that i have had to go without smoking i have experienced little to no withdrawal effects -- maybe a bit more apathy than usual, and a touch of insomnia, but no digestive disturbances or anything severe.

it IS possible to use this stuff responsibly. it is easy to go down the slippery slope from use to abuse, but it is not necessary. think before you toke, guys!

I concur in majority, some people are able to use either MJ or synth noids responsibly for years while others seem to downward spiral into addiction quite quickly.

We don't really know all the contributing factors whether it is mental, will power, or other emotional issues for example.

it's a huge area of study why some people are able to live relatively normal lives on noids and others have a myriad of issues that arise from heavy use, abuse, physical dependance and mental reliance.

I read one or two studies at pub med that showed evidence people with bi-polar and other mental illnesses are well off while on noids but suffer dramatic chemical imbalances when coming off of them.

If I can find those articles again I will post them here. %)

but it is certainly something to consider for people that are using these things to self medicate.
 
If it only took that much for a drug to be outlawed. All they need to do is get you high or even be beneficial to your health. It's medication and you just won't get it without payiong 10-100 times what it's worth after the producers and pharmacists who have studied five years to gain their license end up handing out meds they know less about than the patients forced to buy through them by the law. It's sickening. It's very quiet where I live, there is no drugstore within around 700m distance, yet there are 3 pharmacies within 100 meters of my home and they are all doing damn well, each always having at least 3 people working, sometimes up to 7. The drugstore had 1 working at all times and had to close down lol. If I take the train one station away from my place there is a pharmacy which never ever closes, people are working through on both xmas and nye. It's fucking insane. No other store is open 24/7 here, this being the 2nd largest city. Yet the 24/7 pharmacy can have 8 people working behinf 6 counters there and 3 at nighttime with 3 other pharmacies in about 30-40m distance. I am not shitting you.

The pharmaceutical industry, especially those which produce psychopharmaceuticals like stimulants, opiates and tranquilizers are very powerful and they just cannot have these things be sold by anyone but them. It's just schizophrenic that they make more than a doctor, yet are nothing but people standing behind the counter handing out what the doctor ordered them to and lying their asses off about those meds they can push without permission.

And let's not forget about the booze industry either. The structures in the drug industry are just too established for cannabinoids to be legal, not when they are used for whichever effects they may have when ingested.

it sounds like Germany is much like the US in that respect, here Big Pharm, Alcohol and Tobacco lobbies run the legislative branch when it comes to these things.

In my opinion tho at least here in the US, "medical marijuana" is the worst thing to happen to marijuana since the drug cartels took over its cultivation in the 70's.

the real goal for the US should have been "decriminalization" and "declassification of MJ as a drug" but instead they are keeping it criminal like prescriptions to posses without a script, and keeping it classified as a drug.

While other things like caffeine and alcohol for example are not classified in the same manner.

they are also still missing out on the huge amount of tax revenue MJ would bring as a commodity and food rather then a "controlled substance".

it's been my experience with respect to laws to always follow the peanut, follow the money trail.
 
What is STS-135 like ?
Seems like it can be vapped in e-cigs, really interested in doing this for YEARS.
 
I loved JWH-250. It was so mellow and mine had a slightly pink tint to the powder that I swear was apparent in it's vapor. Wasn't it suppose to be the heathiest JWH for some reason or another?
def one of my favs, never had the powder tho, my supply was pure clear crystal. %)
Anywho, my friend is writing a wiki page for another site so I was hoping to get some info on AB-Fubinaca. The doses confuse me. Some report doses similar to ab-chiminica I.e. .5-1mg and others report 5-7mgs doses. I assume purity is the issue? Fubanica's(purposely misspelling) oral activeness is extremely intresting.
they both have the same affinity for the CB1 receptors. (10X that of JWH018 ) effective dosages are going to depend on the subjects weight size, etc.
I think 5-7mg is rather high, that would be equivalent to 70mg of JWH-018 for smoking, however oral doses are typically higher then that of lung ingestion.
I would avoid smoking as MOA with Fubinica due to the known hypothalamus toxicity risk associated with even chained fluoridates.
that being said keep plenty of tumeric and other toxin reduction remedies on hand during clinical trials for the mice.
Hey if you can and have the time update the wiki on Chimmychonga, it still says it is legal in the US.
 
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