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Searching4truth said:
I swear synthetic pot gave me asthma. Never again...
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Depends if you are using blends and/ or very frequently this seems more likely then vaping with low frequency. In case of vaping the right technic and cleaning out residues seems to be better for the lungs. I had coughs after vaping from a blackened bulb. Vaping cannabis oil extracted with alcohol was the worst, but the ammount I needed was way more then with synthetics and probably because of them to.

So for me no asthma like symptoms when my use was like 2/ 3 times vaping a day Searching4truth.
 
It's like I can never get a satisfying breath. Sometimes I make 3 or 4 attempts to get it but it's short lived before I feel that way again.
 
Searching4truth said:
It's like I can never get a satisfying breath. Sometimes I make 3 or 4 attempts to get it but it's short lived before I feel that way again.
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GET SOMEONE TO MASSAGE YOUR BACK RIGHT UP AND DOWN YOUR SPINE ITS UNBELIEVABLE THE EFFECT I GET

oops...caps

its like you have opened up your mouth really wide and the air is going into your lungs crystal clear

That may just be me of course!
 
emkee_reinvented said:
My addiction to real cannabis and final withdrawal was my worst time ever. That's what probably helped me from not going apeshit with these noids and there short duration. So I always tried the less is more until my ab-fubinaca kinda blew it alongwith a gracious pinch of willpower weakener.

So I to got some noids again, so cheap and easy, can't make live easy without them. But I got [ratata] thj-018 and thj-2201 as I thought they sounded weak. I will carefully watch myself after reading up your reply about the 2201. Especially as I hate to look obviously under the influence, although I love the effect.
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Yes watch it

The stuff I have is paper white crystal and it REEKS of mothballs which is exactly how it should. The night I had intense headaches and rolled one...bear in mind I was crushing in maybe up to 10-15mg into a joint.....I just took one toke and my headache vanished in 10 secs flat.

But what really got to me was `I felt normal` absolutely NORMAL to the point where I knew that, not only was I addicted, but I was FRIGHTENINGLY, addicted!!!

I am now down to my last 50mg of sts135 which is my new `cure` but I am mainly smoking thj018 which I didn't source in the uk and its rubbish and THAT`S GOOD!!

So, as I finish the 135 I am then going to hope that 018 will be my new cure as I found something else.....2 N E 1 and that really IS weak! So when the 135 is finished I will start the next day with 2ne1 (APICA) and hope that 018 will be my new cure then try stopping when the apica runs out.

I feel rough today but not terrible so that`ll be my stepdown comedown, and hopefully wont get any worse.

My goal is to stop completely like before, but perhaps more slowly LOL. I want to then tackle cigarettes because if I can go through what I just went through, I somehow think cigs may be quite easy...he says nervously.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
My addiction to real cannabis and final withdrawal was my worst time ever. That's what probably helped me from not going apeshit with these noids and there short duration. So I always tried the less is more until my ab-fubinaca kinda blew it alongwith a gracious pinch of willpower weakener.

So I to got some noids again, so cheap and easy, can't make live easy without them. But I got [ratata] thj-018 and thj-2201 as I thought they sounded weak. I will carefully watch myself after reading up your reply about the 2201. Especially as I hate to look obviously under the influence, although I love the effect.
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Yes watch it

The stuff I have is paper white crystal and it REEKS of mothballs which is exactly how it should. The night I had intense headaches and rolled one...bear in mind I was crushing in maybe up to 10-15mg into a joint.....I just took one toke and my headache vanished in 10 secs flat.

But what really got to me was `I felt normal` absolutely NORMAL to the point where I knew that, not only was I addicted, but I was FRIGHTENINGLY, addicted!!!

I am now down to my last 50mg of sts135 which is my new `cure` but I am mainly smoking thj018 which I didn't source in the uk and its rubbish and THAT`S GOOD!!

So, as I finish the 135 I am then going to hope that 018 will be my new cure as I found something else.....2 N E 1 and that really IS weak! So when the 135 is finished I will start the next day with 2ne1 (APICA) and hope that 018 will be my new cure then try stopping when the apica runs out.

I feel rough today but not terrible so that`ll be my stepdown comedown, and hopefully wont get any worse.

My goal is to stop completely like before, but perhaps more slowly LOL. I want to then tackle cigarettes because if I can go through what I just went through, I somehow think cigs may be quite easy...he says nervously.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Depends if you are using blends and/ or very frequently this seems more likely then vaping with low frequency. In case of vaping the right technic and cleaning out residues seems to be better for the lungs. I had coughs after vaping from a blackened bulb. Vaping cannabis oil extracted with alcohol was the worst, but the ammount I needed was way more then with synthetics and probably because of them to.

So for me no asthma like symptoms when my use was like 2/ 3 times vaping a day Searching4truth.
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The stuff I have is paper white crystal and it REEKS of mothballs which is exactly how it should. The night I had intense headaches and rolled one...bear in mind I was crushing in maybe up to 10-15mg into a joint.....I just took one toke and my headache vanished in 10 secs flat.

But what really got to me was `I felt normal` absolutely NORMAL to the point where I knew that, not only was I addicted, but I was FRIGHTENINGLY, addicted!!!

I am now down to my last 50mg of sts135 which is my new `cure` but I am mainly smoking thj018 which I didn't source in the uk and its rubbish and THAT`S GOOD!!

So, as I finish the 135 I am then going to hope that 018 will be my new cure as I found something else.....2 N E 1 and that really IS weak! So when the 135 is finished I will start the next day with 2ne1 (APICA) and hope that 018 will be my new cure then try stopping when the apica runs out.

I feel rough today but not terrible so that`ll be my stepdown comedown, and hopefully wont get any worse.

My goal is to stop completely like before, but perhaps more slowly LOL. I want to then tackle cigarettes because if I can go through what I just went through, I somehow think cigs may be quite easy...he says nervously.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Depends if you are using blends and/ or very frequently this seems more likely then vaping with low frequency. In case of vaping the right technic and cleaning out residues seems to be better for the lungs. I had coughs after vaping from a blackened bulb. Vaping cannabis oil extracted with alcohol was the worst, but the ammount I needed was way more then with synthetics and probably because of them to.

So for me no asthma like symptoms when my use was like 2/ 3 times vaping a day Searching4truth.
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The stuff I have is paper white crystal and it REEKS of mothballs which is exactly how it should. The night I had intense headaches and rolled one...bear in mind I was crushing in maybe up to 10-15mg into a joint.....I just took one toke and my headache vanished in 10 secs flat.

But what really got to me was `I felt normal` absolutely NORMAL to the point where I knew that, not only was I addicted, but I was FRIGHTENINGLY, addicted!!!

I am now down to my last 50mg of sts135 which is my new `cure` but I am mainly smoking thj018 which I didn't source in the uk and its rubbish and THAT`S GOOD!!

So, as I finish the 135 I am then going to hope that 018 will be my new cure as I found something else.....2 N E 1 and that really IS weak! So when the 135 is finished I will start the next day with 2ne1 (APICA) and hope that 018 will be my new cure then try stopping when the apica runs out.

I feel rough today but not terrible so that`ll be my stepdown comedown, and hopefully wont get any worse.

My goal is to stop completely like before, but perhaps more slowly LOL. I want to then tackle cigarettes because if I can go through what I just went through, I somehow think cigs may be quite easy...he says nervously.
 
rainey said:
The stuff I have is paper white crystal and it REEKS of mothballs which is exactly how it should. The night I had intense headaches and rolled one...bear in mind I was crushing in maybe up to 10-15mg into a joint.....I just took one toke and my headache vanished in 10 secs flat.

But what really got to me was `I felt normal` absolutely NORMAL to the point where I knew that, not only was I addicted, but I was FRIGHTENINGLY, addicted!!!

I am now down to my last 50mg of sts135 which is my new `cure` but I am mainly smoking thj018 which I didn't source in the uk and its rubbish and THAT`S GOOD!!

So, as I finish the 135 I am then going to hope that 018 will be my new cure as I found something else.....2 N E 1 and that really IS weak! So when the 135 is finished I will start the next day with 2ne1 (APICA) and hope that 018 will be my new cure then try stopping when the apica runs out.

I feel rough today but not terrible so that`ll be my stepdown comedown, and hopefully wont get any worse.

My goal is to stop completely like before, but perhaps more slowly LOL. I want to then tackle cigarettes because if I can go through what I just went through, I somehow think cigs may be quite easy...he says nervously.
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cigs is easy. juststart w/ full patch, eventually cut in half and taper from there. Take 1 year to taper, for real.
 
people actually bother with these synthetic noids still? i know the jwh series were nice but after that came aload of shite right? ive just got some wax budder and i am like scared it might have some noids in but i very much doubt it, meh fuck
 
Yeah I mess with the synthetic noids still I'm on parole for marijuana so until I'm free it's synthetic for me
I've been using sts 135 but want something a little stronger not to crazy though any suggestions?
 
theukscientist said:
Oral AB-Fubinaca seemed more similar to oral Cannabis than any of the other synthetic cannabinoids I've tried (Ur-144, JWH-250, 5f-AKB-48) although as far as inhalation, when it was legal smoked JWH-018 really seemed like the holy grail of synthetic cannabinoids. I also find that small amounts of long-acting benzodiazepines like Diazepam 5mg can mitigate practically all of the anxiety from cannabinoids if taken orally about 30 mins before the RC is taken.
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AB-FUBINICA is the only noid I have tried, and goddamn it felt like real cannabis, nothing weird about it, just needed to smoke much smaller bowls of the damiana it was spread on. It was developed by Pfizer and it made it to Phase III testings...i'd go on a limb and say its safe. The reason they didn't allow it is obvious, they wanted a painkiller out of it....Cesamet is a better painkiller and already exists so..
 
Searching4truth said:
Emkee - Why not just stick with the real deal?
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This gets kinda confusing what's the real deal you are reffering to.

I will explain my personal situation I was addicted to cannabis hydro/ high thc type combined with an nicotin addiction. This was not only costing me lots of money and my lungs as I was smoking this from a waterpipe. Due to its effects I looked shattering stoned (although this is an outside effect as my mind stayed very functional. But it gets to you after a while) Then I quit and felt like shit for almost two years trying to get going again without drugs. Didn't work, read reply rainey, I just seem to functioon better on the stuff.
Got into the synthetics and wow vaping felt clean, controlable and has a a duration way more convenient. Then that got out of hand after some personal problems and the possesion I had off some powerfull noid. Started vaping more often 3 times/ 4 times and then at inappropiate times. All this and some feedback made me decide to quit again using thc-tincture as wd aid.

I will not return to the real deal way to much risk in my eyes. Returning to visiting the scene. although semi-legal, not my cup of tea. The nicotin trap. And the fact some synthetics the ones which imo are mild and nice feel better then the real deal while the stronger ones offer insights which the real deal never did. No I made up my mind for now.

mild ones I would recommend jwh-122, 2-ne-1, thj-018 and thj-2201. Ab-fubinaca I would rank as one of the strongers ones I would recommend for insightfull trips. If you can handle the anxiety and only for use once every so much time. As it raises tolerance through the roof.
 
Not sure if this appropriate for this thread, so if it's not remove it, but is there a way to test marijuana for synthetics?
 
^No real practical way I'm afraid unless you have acess to a lab. I'm assuming that you're worried your mj is tainted with synths? I had some strawberry cough a couple years ago that I really thought was laced with synthnoids but after seeing the grow house my worries were put to rest. You could smoke some and take a drug test that tests for synths but seeing how drug tests are having a hard time keeping up with synthetics the results would still be iffy at best.
 
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Bro I'd make another post if I were you. The only way besides what I mentioned with them reagents would be to pay for a lab with a GC/MS machine to analyze it. There's a company that's affiliated with pill reports where u pay and send it in to them for testing and they post the results online. Its trustworthy. A hint it has ecstasy in the name. It was created to test for adulterants in E primarily but they test a variety of substances not just x tabs or molly caps. That's a 100% sure way to find out. If u buy ur own chem reagents that's a good start but lab analysis is the only way for sure.
 
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