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Closest RC to MDMA?

The problem I would see with that combination with 5-APB (instead of -MAPB) is that 4-AcO-DMT has a significantly shorter duration than 5-APB.

I agree that 5-APB + DOC sounds good in theory, but have tried it myself and also agree that DOC dominates the experience, leaving little room for the APBs to add anything appreciable.

I do think that most people find the APBs more psychedelic than 5-MAPB on there own, so just 5-APB and a small amount of 2-FMA might be enough to produce the effect you are looking for.
 
Desohigh said:
Be careful, I'm talking about ßK version of 2c-b. It's far the most MDMA like feeling.
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I feel like this is going to become a drug I eternally dream of taking but will never be able to find. In general, would chemicals with the ßk prefix tend to have properties nearly identical to the non-ßk versions? It's another bit of chemical description which I always hear and though I'd assume similarity based on the reference to using it as a means to sidestep prohibition laws, people on these forums always stress the importance in effects that a small change can make.

EDIT: I've found the Big N Dandy thread, assumed there wouldn't be one for such an obscure compound. I'll look into it there now.
 
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Never had bk-2C-B, but heard people saying it last up 18hrs, whereas 2C-B is rarely 8hr. Can't speak on the high.
 
Desohigh said:
ßk-2c-b far the most similar drug to MDMA.
I use it like 2 months and I never miss mdma.
Comparing to mdma, it has no comedowns, also no disturbing effects next days.
A slight headache if you're hungry and tired.

But still want to know more info about ßk-2c-b.
I give a break to drugs cuz can't predict the long term effects of this substance.
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Okay, so if you actually try bk-2c-b, you need to know that the dosage is very important. I made the huge mistake of overdoing it (due to being an idiot) and while the first 6 hours felt like an amazing roll, the next 14 after that were absolute fucking hell. I have a trip report if anyone is interested.
 
I recently had an experience with 115mg BK-2C-B and I have to say it was really nothing like MDMA. I must agree with other posters who have said that 5/6-MAPB are probably the closest.
 
50mg 5-mapb, 50 mg 6-mapb, 25 mg 2-fma, 10 mg 4-ho-met (5 if you don't like it trippy)
 
black53 said:
50mg 5-mapb, 50 mg 6-mapb, 25 mg 2-fma, 10 mg 4-ho-met (5 if you don't like it trippy)
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I almost feel like I shouldn't put this idea out there (so go ahead and delete this post if you want Transform, or any other mods) but I bet it would just kill him if an "Optimus Prime" pill showed up on the scene containing that exact combination. :D
 
I had 160mg bk-2cb and it is nothing like mdma. First couple hours were very mild and then it turned into a full psychedelic with awesome visuals. Pretty clear headspace tho like regular 2-cb. Lasted forever so after 8 hours i took some etiz and went to sleep.

All in all i really enjoyed it and will repeat during the day so im not so tired and with a slightly higher dose (180mg)
 
Im in florida and it seems like bk-md ma is what we call molly. I guess i have never tried real mdma but im fucking loving bkmdma bc i get 3 screening drug tests a week and it seems they do not test for bkmdmA.
It seems ppl think they buying real mdma but 90 percent of the time you really get bkmdma. I sure as shit cannot test positive for mdma but how can i be SURE i get methylone ??!?!
 
deplanetafumalandi said:
Im in florida and it seems like bk-md ma is what we call molly. I guess i have never tried real mdma but im fucking loving bkmdma bc i get 3 screening drug tests a week and it seems they do not test for bkmdmA.
It seems ppl think they buying real mdma but 90 percent of the time you really get bkmdma. I sure as shit cannot test positive for mdma but how can i be SURE i get methylone ??!?!
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With a testkit. First test with marquis to make sure it's MDVP/methylone/buthylone and then use simons to differentiate between MDVP and methylone/buthylone. Though you are really the first person I run into that would rather have methylone than MDMA =D
 
Making your own Ecstasy without MDMA/MDA!

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Since MDMA is pretty rare or extremely cutted here I just dont take it anymore, same goes for ecstasy pills which contain things that I dont even know. It sounds a bit paradox now, but I am planning to make a few ecstasy tabs or capsules for myself. I just dont know which chemicals would fit good together.

For example: 5mg MXE, 0,5mg Pyrazolam, and 150MG Methylone.

Its just an example.

I mean Methylone alone is pretty cool in my opinion but way to short lasting and the redosing doesnt do much except raising blood pressure etc.

I have really not much experience with the RC empethogens except Methylone and thats just to short lasting. I dont want to copy the exact same effect like pure mdma.

I just think that 0,5mg pyrazolam wouldnt dangerous to put in, just because anxiety doesnt even come up, then some classic empathogen which lasts longer than Methylon, but I have only experience with M1...So what about all those 5/6apbs apdbs 5-mapb. Is there anything worth trying? I also dont want to put the full ammount of each substance into it, because I will look that they will synergize well. All I am saying is just speculation, because I didnt do any research yet. I was just thinking if maybe someone has experience with combos? I dont even looked on erowid =D I mean most people combine drugs and started redosing high, drunk whatever eyeballing of course. The idea with the prefilled capsules is probably the better solution. At least for me

As soon as I wrote this thread I will start doing my research I am just interesting what you think about it? I mean wheres the difference between going out and consuming like a polytoxic or putting multiple substances in a capsule an swallow one that lasts the whole night....2nd is probably safer, at least if you dont eyeball every capsule. I would try one combo and if it fits well and feels good, I would make from the rest a few more capsules for anytime in future when I am in the mood to make party.

I think mixing an stimulant within isnt probably the best idea, it kills a bit the empathogenic effects and just fucks with my pulse and heart more than without I guess.

I think small dose bzp, small dose like 5mg MXE, normal or slightly less than normal of an empathogen, for example any of the apbs and the a 1 mg of any psychedelic like 3mg 2-c-c or so.

Any ideas or complaints or even warnings about my idea? And anyone experienced with empathogen rcs? I reallý like molly, nearly as much as real MDMA,,,its just the duration thing and its somehow more pushing my blood pressure and pulse. nothing serious, at least I dont redose high or initial dose high. Never did more than 200mg and then without adding anything except a benzo for example.

I would gladly appreaciate any help any sorry for my bad english people...


Forgot to ask...whish of the empathogens has a longer duration than methylone and have at least the same euphoric, it can be clear headed, can be a bit psychedelic, whatever, atleast the serotonin boost is there and I dont know which of those new are worth trying....I only heard 5-EAPB is crap.
 
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I've merged your thread with this one. I think you'll find useful information, opinions and further discussion on what substance or combination of substances comes closest to MDMA in its effects in here

I found methylone in itself far from a worthy MDMA substitute - though it has it's value in its own right - but I have no experience with combinations so can't say if your cocktail comes close. MXE is a dissociative though, so I don't think it would have much value if you want to try to attain MDMA-like effects. Watch out with the BZP by the way, I've heard very mixed stories about that one, some say they enjoy it and others have a horrible night on them, seems to be a bit of an unpredictable substance. Its' safety profile is not that great either iirc

*edit* I just noticed you created this thread as well so you probably already read the replies in here, but perhaps this will spark some new discussion
 
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With BZP I meant Benzodiazepines....dont know if you thought about some other substance? Is any of these apbs -5-maxx, 6xmaxx whatever, like any of these useful for outgoing when plan to fuck a girl? Because with all the stimulants I tried, I get this fking stim dick...I think everybody knows what I mean, I dont remember it much, but I think the vasoconstriction on MDMA is way less than on amphetamines-
 
slimshady793 said:
With BZP I meant Benzodiazepines....dont know if you thought about some other substance? Is any of these apbs -5-maxx, 6xmaxx whatever, like any of these useful for outgoing when plan to fuck a girl? Because with all the stimulants I tried, I get this fking stim dick...I think everybody knows what I mean, I dont remember it much, but I think the vasoconstriction on MDMA is way less than on amphetamines-
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4-fa and 2-fma made me horny as a motherfucker :D
 
slimshady793 said:
With BZP I meant Benzodiazepines....dont know if you thought about some other substance?
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Yeah I meant another substance. BZP is usually used for Benzylpiperazine, a substance a lot less fun than benzodiazepines and quite toxic as well. It's sold as MDMA regularely and has caused a lot of pain for a lot of people. As for the stim-dick: MDMA indeed is a bit more forgiving in that aspect though it's still a problem for me. If I'm on MDMA I can get it up though it takes a lot of effort and a long time but if I take adderall (speed) in big recreational doses I don't even try, it won't work. MDMA is an amphetamine too by the way but I think you were referring to straight up amphetamine (speed), which is way worse for causing stim-dick than MDMA imho

What Torresmo says is true I think yeah, I've heard that before though I have no personal experience with any of them
 
I wouldn't quite say it was comparable to quality MDMA but I really enjoyed a combination of an oral dose of MDAI followed by a couple of lines of MPA (Methiopropamine) just as the MDAI was hitting me properly.

I felt pretty loved up although it didn't have anything akin to a 'roll', but not everyone does even on MDMA.

drew4008 said:
Really surprised aMT hasn't been mentioned here...

There's been numerous threads like this and it always comes up as one of the best substitutes... I concur.
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I found my first experience with aMT, or rather first dose should I say, at around 25mg gave for a very clear headed empathetic high. I remember saying to my friend who was with me that I felt like a little kid again; not a care in the world & everything was perfect.

I really feel I need to explore lower doses again as I have tended to opt for around 40-80mg since then, which surpasses the MDMA-esque dose range.
 
I'd say read up a lot on the new benzofuran analogs (6-APB and related) and make an informed decision. nobody here can tell you how you will react to a drug, let alone a combination.
 
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