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Closest RC to MDMA?

Jesusgreen said:
Eh bk-2C-B is lovely but it's like a longer lasting more pleasant 2C-B high with a slightly uncomfortable comedown period with muscle tension and such. Generally I'd take it over 2C-B for a longer party, and take 2C-B over bk-2C-B for a shorter party, it's not an MDxx like really though and is more an empathogenic psychedelic.

aMT and MDxx don't have as much in common in terms of feel - aMT is my favourite psychedelic though hands down and cured my social anxiety in my first trip on the stuff, been 2 years and 5 months since then and I'm still anxiety free. :) It's a wonderful drug but it's a psychedelic with an empathogenic effects rather than an empathogen with psychedelic effects, if that makes sense - it's very different from your standard roll, but if you like both psychedelics and empathogens you'll love it, it's kind of between something like MDA/6-APB/5-APB (psychedelic empathogens) and your traditional psychedelics like LSD and Psilocin.

5-MAPB on the other hand substitutes well for MDMA and feels very similar, not identical but very close.

That said all of the 3 are amazing drugs, just if you're looking for something that feels like MDMA, the only one of the three that does is 5-MAPB, while the other two are unique lovely psychedelics, bk-2C-B has that 2C-B like empathy to it but I'm certain isn't a traditional monoamine releaser just as 2C-B isn't, then aMT is a psychedelic that's also a triple releaser like MDMA - and 5-MAPB is your MDMA-like triple releaser with similar effects.

If someone were to ask what kind of drugs a psychedelic and empathogen lover would like, then I'd say all three fit the bill, but if you're asking for the closest RC to MDMA, 5-MAPB is close, while the other two are completely different drugs, with their own wonderful pros, but the experience isn't like MDMA really.
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Hey, JesusGreen, St3ve above was saying that he finds aMT causes all kinds of unpleasant symptoms on come up. Do you find that too?
 
bla-ljus said:
does 2c-b affect with serotonin same as MDMA? I mean, having taken MDMA, should there be the 1-3 month recovery period even if one is going to have some 2c-b?
How is the cross tolerance?
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anyone with a good answer to this?
 
bla-ljus said:
does 2c-b affect with serotonin same as MDMA? I mean, having taken MDMA, should there be the 1-3 month recovery period even if one is going to have some 2c-b?
How is the cross tolerance?
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No, its not the same. In short, where MDMA floods your brain with actual serotonin, 2cb mimicks serotonin. AFAIK, it doesn't deplete serotonin in any way and therefore cross tolerance should be zero/ negligible.
 
I've used 2C-B a few times in the past and it's not that close to MDMA to be honest..
Only in low dose (8-12mg) it has a glimp of MDMA in the coming up phase..

If you are looking for RC closely to MDMA, I'd rather say go for 5-MAPB.
I did this RC two times in the last few weeks, and if you said to me the drug that was given to me was MDMA, I'd probably believe it.
 
I would say 5-MAPB, 6-MAPB, other good is 6-APDB but it feels different, in some ways better.



4-MMC is also very similar to MDMA, way better
 
Folley said:
I don't know, I find 2C-B to be quite sensual. Touch is soft, sex is great, and the body high is AMAZING. It's unique as far as psychedelics go, but just because it shares those similarities with MDMA doesn't mean it's going to be ANYWHERE close to the real thing. It is it's own high, for sure.


I find it can open you up quite a bit to empathy and a sense of love for others, but it's not going to FORCE it in the same way as MDMA. You won't be running around telling every stranger you meet how strongly you feel about them, but you will likely be filled with an intense happiness that honestly feels much more natural and real than the fake feelings of MDMA.
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I agree with Folley on this. I like 2cb and methamphetamine or 2cb and ketamine/mxe. Hell I had some meth 2cb and mxe about 10 hours ago. Basically a test for tonight about to bomb some etizolam and crash. 5/6 apb combined is IMO better than MDMA but I enjoy MDA more than MDMA and psychedelics in general over empathogens and stimulants. However I love mixing dissociatives, psychedelics and stimulants. Probably very dangerous, actually undeniably dangerous but I know my limits and my body and have been doing drugs for 2 decades. It's not like I sit around with huge quantities of these drugs and just be a pig. Each dose is carefully measured and each substance taken into account it's adverse effects and contraindications etc.

I also ensure the substances ingested are of the highest purity and tested or better yet GCMS analysis performed and relevant data forwarded to myself. After using substances for two decades one can gauge the quality of a substance simply by visual examination. Combining this with at least a testing unit and if available GCMS analysis one can ensure the quality of the substances being consumed. Helps if said substances are sourced from certain manufacturing facilities in certain countries. An ez test kit which seems to be the most common test unit utilized has it's limitations. It can only identify for example a 2cx substance as a 2cx not as 2cb, 2cd, 2ce etc or provide a confirmation of purity. So test your product with at least a presumptive analysis kit and if you have access to a facility utilize GCMS. A number of organizations provide these services and BL has information on the Home page that can be accessed. Better safe than dead.
 
Hi Everyone,
How about a Combo of 5-APDB + Cathinone + Methamphetamine? Can anybody suggest if it's gonna be a good mix and what's the dosages of each would be?
Really need help to figure out if it will be nice mix close to MDMA or MDA and if there are any dangerous interactions between these three ?
 
suboxone421 said:
I did about 90mg of bk-2c-b and I can see how you could get an mdma vibe from it but I found it to be a very strange almost backround psychadelic. I seemed to have complete control over where I wanted to send my emotions and cried about some really painful situations for a few hours by choice on it. I never cried on mdma... just saying

BTW @ iron... I would be really careful with that combo. You could probally mix cathithones with meth although they would have a cross tolerance. I would just stick to one or the other because both are very euphoric stims... If you really got to mix them make sure you take a lower doseage of both to account for the cross tolerance. Adding the 5-apdb to the combo of those stims will increase any side effects if any of the 5-apdb which could be none but that is crazy man
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Actually there are many reports and good feedbacks on forums about mixing 5-APDB/APB with 4-FA/4-FMA and a kind which are also dopaminergic stimulants similar to meth, thus making it a nice combination... I can't get 4-FA at where i am so i thought it would make sense to substitute it with meth... Any thoughts?
 
I am curious why mdai is not mentioned..... Someone would have to fact check this, but it was supposed to have very little neurotoxicity risk vs mdma even. Again I may be wrong and should be fact checked.

Edit: Apparently I was wrong as it was mentioned although mdmai was not... I doubt theres much history of use with that one.
 
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tacodude said:
I am curious why mdai is not mentioned..... Someone would have to fact check this, but it was supposed to have very little neurotoxicity risk vs mdma even. Again I may be wrong and should be fact checked.

Edit: Apparently I was wrong as it was mentioned although mdmai was not... I doubt theres much history of use with that one.
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MDAI isn't close to MDMA in effects. It needs to be mixed with something else to get it there and then its neurotoxic although I will say that MDAI + 2C-D was insanely close to MDMA but with a 7 hour peak and very little bodyload.
 
I did look into the fact that it's a or ssra (new term for me yay). Does mdma bind to receptors in any way or just act as reversing agents in the areas it does?

Edit:2cd is methyl version right? I definitely wish I had my hands on that. One day soon. Could you give me your opinion on strength and toxic feel compared to say 2ci? 2cb?
 
I never called it a ssri like Prozac or anything.... It's a releasing agent I'm assuming not only in serotonin. It is taken up by the reuptake function causing it to reverse its action as it does if everything I've learned is correct.

What I want to know is if what a doctor told me about it having irreversible binding action leading to the holes in the brain concept. The explication was it led to the long term physical side effects after repeated use. While I can't say he is wrong I have not found documentation confirming his claim he didn't clarify enough in my opinion.
 
Yes. MDMA binds to 5ht2a+c and 5ht1a+b, if I remember correctly.

Not very heavily though. And it's enantiomerically dependent. d-MDMA is a strong releasing agent while l-MDMA has decent receptor affinities. Or the other way around. I forget which.

This is why people say when "imitating" MDMA, to use to combo of 5-mapb, 2-fma, and a tryptamine like 5-meo-mipt or 4-ho-met. The tryptamine binds to the serotonin receptors like MDMA does. (Just way more heavily, so you use very little)
 
suboxone421 said:
would that logic work with 2-fma, 4-aco-dmt, and 5-apb?

Also would that be toxic?

For example maybe 10mg 4-aco-dmt, 20mg 2-fma, and 50mg 5apb...
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I've never tried the combo myself--because I don't have 2-fma (soon though!) however I've combined 5-mapb and ethylphenidate with 5-meo-mipt, with 4-aco-met, and with 4-aco-dmt, all with good results. Theoretically any tryptamine should work, though keep in mind the "flavor" that each tryptamine would bring.

The toxicity of the combo would come from the 2-fma and the 5-mapb, not from the tryptamine. This toxicity is inherent in the simultaneous release of dopamine and serotonin. However, this combo avoids the toxic metabolites that MDMA produces so is probably at least less toxic than MDMA itself.

I would say don't worry too much about it, just don't overdo it.

Edit: 10mg of 4-aco-dmt seems like it would dominate the experience to me. Not a bad thing IMO, I would prefer it that way personally--but probably wouldn't exactly be working to imitate MDMA at that point. For example, I think .7mg 5-meo-mipt is recommended.
 
suboxone421 said:
Ok so micro doses... What about using doc and 5-apb? It is an amphetamine psych so maybe just that and the 5-apb could also work... I have no idea just guessinng. The 2-fma is the cleanest stim I have ever used. I would recommend taking a nasal sprayer with the 2-fma and mixing it so about 5mg comes out per spray. It is very strong although it is not quite recreational.
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I recently tried that combo, using the same reasoning you mentioned. It was good, but the doc dominated the experience. It wasn't very mdma-like IMO. Though with a low enough dosage I could see it working.

I'll give the nasal sprayer a try. I've done that with ethylphenidate before. It seems like 2-fma would be too long acting to keep spraying throughout the day?
 
I find 5-MAPB to give the effects of MDMA "on paper", but there is a distinctly unique "feel" that I can't exactly describe. To me, Methylone, 3-MMC, 4-MEC, or the like just feel like another stimulant, perhaps a coke-like high with a caffeine/ephedrine edge. I enjoy them, but only for a rush, in which case I usually IV, whereas with 5-MAPB I always dose orally, for that almost-psychedelish MDMA type thing. I'll mix some of the caths with a dissociative, such as DXM or MXE, on occasion, getting somewhere closer, however this is quite dangerous, and I've had a handful of bad times. I don't get much other than awake and motivated from fluorinated amphetamines.
 
if 6-apb had been the first serotonin releaser massly popular (instead of mdma)...this thread would be "which RC is as good as 6-apb" and some people would be saying mdma is almost as good but too "stimmy" or "short" etc
 
4mmc mephedrone is very similar in my opinion youll just have to redose higher and more often on the meph, also youll probably want to redose more as its a morish drug untill you go to sleep or go without for a few hours. But it still gives you the eye wobbles, euphoria, dilated pupils, raised body temperature,alertness,energy and feeling of closeness with others as does mdma, but you wont get that feeling you get all over your body like you do mdma. The buzz off 4mmc can be very intense depending how much you do i have done 0.2-0.5g lines but i know people that have done a full gram lines etc. The buzz from 4mmc is very quick to hit you in my opinion. If you done a 0.3g line youll feel a rush within 5 minutes. 4mmc is commonly used
around my area and all of the UK. Its popular at raves, it smells of acetone very strongly thats why its off putting and seen as a disgusting drug.
But the high is bangin..
 
damn all of the good suggestions from here seem to be banned here in the UK. Anyone know any other good legal highs for a night out that gets you a bit hyped up, make music sound good, don't make you trip much and ideally gives you a loved up feeling? Your help would be greatly appreciated. I love MDMA but after it landed me a prison sentence, I'm pretty paranoid about having illegal drugs on me nowadays and would like a legal alternative- doesn't have to be exactly the same but something I can go out on!
 
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