☮ Social ☮ PD Social Thread: Trans-dimensional Hyperspace Cocktail Bar - Fractals Apply Within

[PepperSocks]

Is that where Thousand Island dressing was invented?

I know it seems funny, but it is! I asked my parents the same question as a kid when I made the connection between the name of the dressing and area.

Man, Sochi's alpine course is off the hook. Some sections are incredibly steep and I've never seen downhill skiers launch so far off of crests in my life. I know it's hard to tell on TV, but it looks like 15 feet vertical, about 100 yards distance, going 140+ km/hr. Makes for wicked entertainment that's for sure.

 

[SONN]

wow peppersocks, your little mention of hitler made me look up this article. I'm not sure exactly how true it is but it sure as hell sent chills down my spine.

reading that made me flash back to my ritalin addiction and how I felt when I was speeding like crazy feeling like I was on top of a mountain due to the immense euphoria. Then I just imagined a german soldier laughing maniacally with saucer sized pupils firing an automatic weapon at innocent people. What a fucking creepy comparison for my subconscious mind to make.

I'm pretty experienced with stimulant induced psychosis. It started with me being in the bathroom staring at my reflection and doing compulsive things like popping pimples, when all of the sudden I'd think I was hearing my housemate (who was a really awkward pot dealing asian chick) talk about me with her boyfriend. I would keep thinking she was basically talking shit on me behind my back, but could never be sure if she actually was. On top of that, she's such an awkward non-confrontational person I never knew if she like secretly hated me or not.

The thing with psychosis is that all the lingering dopamine in your brain caused you to make all these associations and fantasize about these delusional things, and until the dopamine stops flowing, your mind keeps adding new associations to the big delusional plot playing in your head. So even after you've decided that you're falling down a rabbit hole and that things you've been thinking about for the last 20 minutes were complete quackery, certain stimuli can make your mind go right back into that delusional association mode and it can be difficult to get certain convictions out of your mind.

that's why I think benzodiazepines are very useful for shutting down a speeding mind and inducing some GABAergic relaxation. It's certainly a good option if one really starts heading down a rabbit hole.

today I found out that my sister tripped at a music festival called "gem and jam" the other day, which is something I've still never talked to her about. Im excited to hear about that side of her life because she's currently putting herself through law school and is at the top of her class despite having had dreadlocks for almost 5 years of her life (she's a genius if I say so myself). Apparently Alex Grey had a 45 minute "Entheogen Discussion" on one of the main stages in between two pretty popular music groups which I thought was interesting.

my little brother is at gem and jam as well blasted on MXE and probably acid. He's having the time of his life i'm jealous as hell.

 

[pharmakos]

"I'll smoke it with ya bro, we'll go to the loony bin together. I don't give a fuck."


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"i'm too stoned to drive to the devil's house"

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

Mane
When i get old
I should live in new orleans

 

[Hiltoniano]

Lets all get trippy soon and post about it and forget our problems for a whilee....

 

[xammy]

Smoked some weed in a sauna a while ago. Super stoned.. I feel more stoned than usual - could this be because i was on MXE last night? Could it effect me today?

Watching the tv-series Treme super couchlocked haha

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I did like 4-5 grams of ketamine in the last 24 hours.
UGGGHHHHH GROSSS IM SO GROSS WHY EWWWW
yesterday was nothing but a blur I don't think I got out of my bed more than 3 times
thank god it was all paid for

 

[Thanatos]

^ wow toast, you must be loaded with cash if you can go through that much ket. I've never gone on a high dose micro-binge like that, how are the after effects?

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

The after effects are the same as any k binge.
Muscle weakness, fatigue, irritiability.
IDK it was the best some of the k I've had but I'm a fucking zombie today, I was supposed to study for my spectroscopy lab but I'll do that tonight I guess.
Ketamine really loses its shine once a permatolerance is built up to it haha

 

[Thanatos]

I've never been muh into dissociated. Only tried k a few times, pcp like 20 times, but have gone through many grams of MXE. I enjoy psychedelics so much more, even though they aren't as 'classically' recreational.
Man I can't imagine studying for a lab after wearing your brain and boy out like that. I'd be in torpor mode for sure.

 

[coelophysis]

Smoked some weed in a sauna a while ago. Super stoned.. I feel more stoned than usual - could this be because i was on MXE last night? Could it effect me today?

In my experience, totally.

 

[Solipsis]

Thanks for the cool meme-y pic Laika, that was awesome. :D

About smoking weed the day after MXE (oh no I am thinking of the same day as MXE but the day after shrooms): did that earlier this week and it was really extraordinary: I felt as if I had magical powers and felt as if the entire room was filled to the brink with some kind of energy that I could manipulate with my mind and hands. I also remember gyrating my limbs completely freestyle which generated insane amounts of spiritual energy, not sure which one of the two days I did that but both of those experiences felt trip report worthy at the time. If only I recalled a bit more. Fun stuff.

Also heyyy P-sox, so good to see you brother I miss our talks, I know a pretty good way if you feel like it again.

 

[PepperSocks]

wow peppersocks, your little mention of hitler made me look up this article. I'm not sure exactly how true it is but it sure as hell sent chills down my spine.

Oh I'd think it's pretty true. Meth use was rampant in WWII. Hitler personal physicians gave him IV meth, and increasing use is correlated to his increasing inflexibility in never allowing retreats from lost battles. As for the poor buggers shooting and dying, it wasn't just limited to the Krauts and Japs, it was used extensively by the RAF to the point that it's said that methedrine won the battle of Britain.

I must say that when the positive effects are working there's a distinct amplification in willingness to help others and generosity, but when the going gets tough the increased selfishness and greed comes through.

I'm pretty experienced with stimulant induced psychosis... I would keep thinking she was basically talking shit on me behind my back,... never knew if she like secretly hated me or not.

Oh ya.. those paranoid thoughts of everyone talking behind your back get intense. I also thought people were hanging around my apartment, tracking my moves, surveilling me. I trashed my apartment, flipped it upside down, cut open my shoes... searching for the bugs. Just gonzo.

that's why I think benzodiazepines are very useful for shutting down a speeding mind and inducing some GABAergic relaxation. It's certainly a good option if one really starts heading down a rabbit hole.

That only works if you don't dose again the next day, or worse yet, take more uppers to counter the benzo lethargy. If anything benzos perpetuate the psychosis because it allows you an easy way out; no punishment. You're much more willing to just continue dosing the next day.

Also heyyy P-sox, so good to see you brother I miss our talks, I know a pretty good way if you feel like it again.

Hey bro, I missed you too. You're another reason I came back

 

[Solipsis]

^^ Really insightful, respect.. are you able to steer clear of peevee and relatives or are they sticky? I seem to recall you had quite a mind about perpetuating downer use as well or quite the opposite, I'm sure you had some emphatic intentions but not quite sure which way you went with them. Maybe part of it is personal.

I can certainly imagine meth-users as selfish, I have not been scammed out of it once but twice from people who really went a long way to win my confidence to pilfer me out of some rarities. Though maybe I should count myself lucky that I lost interest in pursuing those kinds of chems.

 

[PepperSocks]

^^ Really insightful, respect.. are you able to steer clear of peevee and relatives or are they sticky? I seem to recall you had quite a mind about perpetuating downer use as well or quite the opposite, I'm sure you had some emphatic intentions but not quite sure which way you went with them. Maybe part of it is personal.

Oh god ya, as for RC stims I'm done. PV in particular, I hold that one in the high position in that it's the one that precipitated my first psychosis. Once the first one came via PV, reaching psychosis via amps came much easier. My downer use was intense as well, it's what allowed me to fall as far as I did. Without benzos I would have never reached that level. When I quit stims I quit benzos too. As I got off benzos it became quite apparent that I used stimulants largely to counter the leftover lethargy from benzos. The combination of those two classes competing with each other has got to be the most easy addiction to fall into that I can think of, they just fit too well together.

I can certainly imagine meth-users as selfish, I have not been scammed out of it once but twice from people who really went a long way to win my confidence to pilfer me out of some rarities. Though maybe I should count myself lucky that I lost interest in pursuing those kinds of chems.

Well an addict of anything without the financial means to fund their habit will find a way to get funds. I just heard an old friend of mine tried to buy opiates with his mom's wedding ring.
I think it's different with amphetamines in that it changes the way you think on an ideological level. The ego boost made me selfish and greedy in the overall social policy sense. I didn't need to steal to get my fix; I just wanted to pay less taxes, keep more for myself, and tough luck for those who need help. That's the kind of thinking it made me drift towards.

Here I am bashing the perils of stimulant use; I must confess. I feel guilty in the sense of steering clear of that stuff; I wouldn't call it a "relapse"; I managed to do it one night and leave it. Last weekend I actually took a bit of methamp. Nice thing about that is the crystals are single enantiomer and it's straight dextro so it's smooth. The key is self control, willpower, and firm moderation. Methamp makes me happy, helpful and generous... as long as I don't do it often.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Anyways, I find myself in the most uncertain voting position I've ever had; it changes by the hour when I'm thinking about it.

I know what you mean, I was pretty political when I was younger, but as time goes on I have more and more trouble choosing who I want to support. Unless we get to the more extreme positions in a party, but even then when you consider the difference between what a politician says to mobilize the base, and what is politically feasible for them to accomplish, things get blurrier. I often think to myself I won't vote next time (except on municipal/state ballot measures), but I always do.

I still find it hard to believe the most wealthy nation in the world (US of course) has only recently started to implement socialized medicine/universal healthcare/obamacare/whatever it's called. The rest of the developed world has had it since, well I'm not sure, but I'm thinking it came in the 50s; long time anyway. That's the part that amazes me. What has me scratching my head to baldness in a total state of "does not compute" is the vehement backlash it's gotten.

If you have the patience, I'd listen to this. I think I've posted it before, but it's a great encapsulation of the American mindset.

Why no NHS?: A)We have a deep-seated belief that government programs are all inefficient, wasteful bureaucracies. Private sector is more efficient. B) The American Dream implies "if you're not doing well, it's because you're not trying hard enough." C) Look at the wait times in Canada (folkloric rather than figure based), we'll probably all die while waiting in line behind the homeless drug addicts! D) Death Panels

Backlash over Obamacare is due to an expected increase in the cost of insurance policies as healthy young people choose not to buy insurance until they are sick (since you can no longer be denied for preexisting conditions), so people with insurance will cost more for companies to provide for. Government subsidies for low income persons have to be funded, and the selfish "I'm not paying for lazy people to get free shit when I worked my ass off for what I have" rationale is the norm. Bonus points if you believe that welfare makes people lazier and poorer, creating a feedback of loop of increased subsidies->increased taxation that will bleed the middle class and above dry. Also, changed rules for what must be covered means a lot of people's plans are being canceled as not up to snuff (the Democrats have conveniently delayed this until after the next round of congressional elections), which is a major headache.

 

[SONN]

That only works if you don't dose again the next day, or worse yet, take more uppers to counter the benzo lethargy. If anything benzos perpetuate the psychosis because it allows you an easy way out; no punishment. You're much more willing to just continue dosing the next day.

I was speaking from personal experience didn't mean to make sweeping generalizations. The time i'm speaking of is actually with acid (at least I hope it was acid). I kept thinking that everyone was making fun of me in this weird snarky way when it was all just a bunch of slightly paranoid associations. I realized non of my friends were betraying me but their laughter kept sounding really sadistic at times and it was creeping me out and adding to my delusions so I tranqed myself with xanax and put my crazy convictions to rest. This actually happened from 15mg MXE, 1 hit of acid and a lot of weed. On top of that it was my 4th trip in 4 weeks so I was probably more prone to psychological side effects of psychedelics at that point. The next morning I was fine and able to recollect my thoughts and be positive that I was just going crazy.

 

[PepperSocks]

C) Look at the wait times in Canada (folkloric rather than figure based)

While it is exagerated, it actually also an issue. It's not unworkable, but it leaves something to be desired. The consensus is that it's not perfect but it's better than the alternative. I just remembered a long time ago before I knew anything about politics or could vote there was a big debate over two-tier healthcare. The idea that basic healthcare will always be provided but if you have the means and desire to pay for a higher level with shorter waits you could. It got dropped because it was seen that it would smother the basic level and create an unconscionable class rift.

the selfish "I'm not paying for lazy people to get free shit when I worked my ass off for what I have" rationale is the norm. Bonus points if you believe that welfare makes people lazier and poorer, creating a feedback of loop of increased subsidies->increased taxation that will bleed the middle class and above dry.

That sentiment is very popular and is sort of a norm here too; I embodied it at one point. It seems people feel that way when they're angry or drunk, but everyone always falls back on a sense of "I guess I am pretty fortunate, we really should to help them out". As for welfare creating that loop and bleeding people dry, I thought similarly but the reality is that it just doesn't happen to a major degree. The perfect example of how that doesn't happen is embodied in the countries with the highest quality of living in the world: the nordics. I'm not sure how exactly it works over there. I know taxes are very high, cost of living is high, but to have a country be like theirs it looks like money well spent.

 

[pharmakos]

xammy -- yeah MXE is likely still affecting you. when i first started using dissociatives they altered the effects of marijuana for me for a few days afterwards, every time.

toast (and everyone else) -- coenzyme Q10 and vitamin B12 are both excellent for dissociative hangovers. dissociatives deplete your body's supply of B12. with CoQ10 i am unsure of the exact mechanism, but dissociatives cause a small degree of rhabdomyolysis (fancy term for muscle atrophy), and CoQ10 combats rhabdomyolysis.

both should be available in the supplement aisle of your local supermarket. B12 is cheap (i like the sublingually dissolving B12 tablets, they're usually cherry flavored and pretty tasty). CoQ10 is a bit more expensive, though, but still fairly affordable. both are cheaper than dissociatives themselves, and imo very worthwhile to keep around to help treat the mental and physical fatigue that can occur in the days after a dissociative trip.

 

[Solipsis]

Thanks for the brilliant lesson