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NA/AA/rehab sayings that you like or hate

Right I have thought about the god concept with the AA and NA fellowships.. so god obviously created addiction then.. cant have it both ways folks.. if I get the it was your free will thing as an answer back I always think but wait if willpower isn't enough to beet it alone and it means that free will is opposed to addiction then how can my free will be the cause of my addiction.. trying to think logically about illogical things isn't logical and I will no longer do it.
 
Interesting discussion...I had a friend who had to go to AA/NA meetings TWICE for smoking weed after being found out by his parents. He also had some drinking issues, but still, the main reason he was sent for 'treatment' by his parents was because he smoked weed. I always thought something about that situation was patently ridiculous. I mean, he was a 20 something year old kid, fresh faced, smart, and well mannered, and he was forcibly surrounded by heroin, crack and opiate addicts, as well as severe alcoholics...I sort of doubt that he fit in. And, besides, I know for a fact that he started smoking weed and drinking alcohol just a few weeks after his 2nd stint in those treatment programs.

Anyway, I personally think that the normal 12-steps aren't going to resonate that well with this current generation already in their late teens and 20's. We're in the information age, people, we don't want to hear about higher powers and how we are too weak to end something [addiction] that we damn well know we were powerful enough to start.

I'm not going to extrapolate much further but I definitely do think that all the AA/NA, etc. groups need to reformulate their tactics for handling actual drug addicts in the coming years if they want much success. Maybe just one step would work in the recession...save your money, you'll need it...
 
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^What?

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this. These phrases are all ridiculous. I almost want to go to a meeting and use my smarts and logic to rip it apart. But as someone above said, it's not worth thinking logically about illogical stuff. To each their own. It wouldn't be very nice either. I'm too nice for that. :)
 
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They would all say you are an athiest and kick you out haha. One of the things that super pissed me off that i forgot to add is that if you are on subs or meth then you arent clean. Wtf? Yea youre maybe not clean but you are no longer using illegal drugs. In following with the whole its a disease thing, wouldnt any progress in treating a disease be a positive? Instead they make it seem like you are a junkie...my sister got kinda stuck going to na meetings with a friend and when everyone found out she was in a mmt prog they totally called her out saying she didnt belong there and all that, i said they dont belong in YOUR life since they dont really do much thinking on their own. Its easy to spew from a book with sayings and stuff about a higher power that ppl just twist to suite their own opinions....wait...where did i hear that.
 
And yet they smoke cigs and drink coffee a ton. Psychoactive compounds are psychoactive compounds. Sticking to a maintenance program is definitely clean from your former addiction. Though not 100% sober clean of psychoactives... but then again most of America can't get by without their coffee or cigs. If only they knew. :p

Would they really kick you out of AA/NA if you went along and abided by everything, but still had a different personal religious or spiritual belief? Like, you go along with it and say the prayers and stuff to abide by the program but still don't personally adhere to their Christian (or catholic?) beliefs? Wow...
 
Professer said:
And yet they smoke cigs and drink coffee a ton. Psychoactive compounds are psychoactive compounds. Sticking to a maintenance program is definitely clean from your former addiction. Though not 100% sober clean of psychoactives... but then again most of America can't get by without their coffee or cigs. If only they knew. :p

Would they really kick you out of AA/NA if you went along and abided by everything, but still had a different personal religious or spiritual belief? Like, you go along with it and say the prayers and stuff to abide by the program but still don't personally adhere to their Christian (or catholic?) beliefs? Wow...
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You can't get "kicked out". They aren't like that.. and not all the rooms are super religious. A lot are and if that's your thing, fine. It was never mine so I avoided those meetings.
 
omnipresenthuman said:
Interesting discussion...I had a friend who had to go to AA/NA meetings TWICE for smoking weed after being found out by his parents. He also had some drinking issues, but still, the main reason he was sent for 'treatment' by his parents was because he smoked weed. I always thought something about that situation was patently ridiculous. I mean, he was a 20 something year old kid, fresh faced, smart, and well mannered, and he was forcibly surrounded by heroin, crack and opiate addicts, as well as severe alcoholics...I
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my brother was forced to go to 28 days of inpatient rehab for getting caught with weed. He didn't even get caught with that much, 2 g's, but it was obvious he was selling it cause he had a scale, a ton of money, baggies, and the weed they found was the crumbs in a big bag. Shit dude... he was 17 too. Goddamn.
 
bennyZA said:
my brother was forced to go to 28 days of inpatient rehab for getting caught with weed. He didn't even get caught with that much, 2 g's, but it was obvious he was selling it cause he had a scale, a ton of money, baggies, and the weed they found was the crumbs in a big bag. Shit dude... he was 17 too. Goddamn.
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Yeah, my mom threatened me with rehab for weed too and all I said was "Before you even try to send me for rehab for something as stupid as weed, at least catch me with cocaine, opiates or amphetamines because you know Ive done all that shit." Her reaction was lulz because she didnt know that I knew that she knew haha. After that incident all rehab talk disappeared.
 
Im an atheist and attend NA. Theres chapters in both books for atheists amd agnostics. Listening to people discuss 12 step fellowships who havent been to them is like listening to uneducated heathens debating the bible.
 
Professer said:
Would they really kick you out of AA/NA if you went along and abided by everything, but still had a different personal religious or spiritual belief?
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No they would just tell you to make up a god. If any of you watched my link (Penn & Teller: Bullshit!) they were using a rock after the one guy said that an atheist could choose the spiritual component to be a rock. lulz
 
AA does not shove christianity down your throat or are unwelcoming if youre not. The ones Ive been to arent even uber religious, they just suggest that having a "higher power" is helpful in some people's recovery.

All the ones Ive been to were court mandated, never did I go on my own accord. But they always told us take what you can use, if you dont care for a particular step then focus on ones thqt you think would be helpful. Yes some groups are more cult like and fanatic then others, you just got to find one that suits you, and dont judge all groups based on one bad experience.
 
I gave up real quick once I realized that a lot of it was predicated on the fact that you had to pick a higher power, any high power. Yea, well... I mean... I don't believe in a higher power, at all. So they told me to look at the earth and everything as a higher power. I just remember saying "A rock hurtling through space with a bunch of ungrateful mutha fuckas isn't exactly what I call a higher power." After a bunch of pressure from other people I eventually just picked the sun, seriously, that was the only thing I really looked at as a higher power. I'm thinking that's it, I figured out my higher power, what's next? Well, apparently I gotta turn my myself over to the sun, wtf? So here I am, thirsty for a drink and a big ole bag a dope and I'm looking at this cheesy mutha fucka tellin me the only way I can turn my life around is to turn myself over to the sun, seriously, how can you turn yourself over to anything? Isn't that giving up? After that it was over, the rest of the steps all have to do with my relation to whatever high power I chose... How can someone choose a rock, like in that episode of Bullshit? Well, he chose a rock as he understands it

A support group is a support group whether or not you have to go through 12 steps. They all have the same success rate. I can totally see the appeal of the support, but the actual steps are fucking pointless.
 
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And yet they smoke cigs and drink coffee a ton.
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One of the more comically disturbing things I've ever seen was the run on the coffee pots when we'd have a "on unit" AA meeting at the rehab I went to.
Most the time they'd stock the floor with half decaf or decaf, but for the meetings it was the real shit. Or so they said.
When they'd roll the coffee cart in there would be a crush of people descending on it. Literally a mobs worth of people cutting in front of and/or gently pushing each other. Anything for a slight buzz.
Definitely one of those moments where you realize your life has changed and you have crossed over into addict territory. I was right there with them.
 
JunkieDays said:
I hate every saying.
It's like one huge cult following spewing a shitstorm of nonsensical bullshit and the only thing you can do is sit there and shake your head.
Wait, I lied. There's one saying I do like. Only because I was the one who said it after sitting there for 30 minutes -
"Fuck this noise, I'm gonna go get high"
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LOL brother you and I would get along just fine.

I went to meetings for a while but they were just so mind-numbingly stupid. I left when the group leader or whatever the fuck he was got mad at me and told me to go fuck myself, basically. No, really, he was like, "how insulting! fuck you!"

I was talking about how difficult everything is for people our age (in the twenty-something age group), with the jobs just not being there, the jobs that are there not paying enough, how a college degree means fuck-all now, how it's great that people our parents-age were able to pull their acts together, but those times were so radically different and it makes me so mad that they still believe in the same formula that worked for them, that if you work hard and keep at it, then it will all come together and you can own a home and raise a family just as they had. That formula just doesn't work anymore, not with the economy being what it is, not with a college degree meaning what it does (nothing unless it's in something really special), etc.

He was insulted, I guess, thought that I was belittling him or all that he's accomplished, and told me to fuck off -- so, I fucked off... fucked off and got high. Haven't been back. =\
 
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