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NA/AA/rehab sayings that you like or hate

I hate every saying.
It's like one huge cult following spewing a shitstorm of nonsensical bullshit and the only thing you can do is sit there and shake your head.
Wait, I lied. There's one saying I do like. Only because I was the one who said it after sitting there for 30 minutes -
"Fuck this noise, I'm gonna go get high"
 
^I went to 3 meetings(don't ask) last week and it really does suck. I hate "one size fits all" type shit. Addicts and drunks are individuals last time I checked. Different shit works for different people. My woman loves meetings, I don't. The idea that it's some personal failure on my part if I feel hatred towards AA/NA is ridiculous.
I hate "Keep working it till it works" and all its variations. It's religious type manipulation. As in, if you're not feeling it you just need to come back endlessly until you do. And until you do feel it, you can consider it a personal failing on your part. Why? Because you're not committed enough and you suck.
My least favorite part is the hand holding. I hate touching people I don't know to begin with. Holding fuckin hands? Nah. Then you get your hand squeezed and shook. Just let go of my hand, motherfucker.
 
The lord's prayer at the end of each meeting bothers me... and the higher power thing too. I don't care what anyone says, giving your self to a higher power is about giving yourself to the christian god. Why would they recite the lords prayer at the end of each meeting otherwise.
 
How you're a "dry drunk" or in a major risk of a total relapse or death if you don't go to AA meetings, or don't go for the rest of your life. I'm sure there's a term they use akin to that in NA.

"Fake it til you make it!" also sounds like something a female prostitute would say when it comes (no pun) to describing her job.
 
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I hate that phrase fake it til you make it because it seems to have two meanings. In my rehab, we used to say it amongst ourselves jokingly, because at this rehab you could be there as long as they felt necessary, no 60 or 90 day bs. I was there seven months until they released me. So to us, fake it til you make it meant go along w whatever bs the therapist wants you to say, fake that youre recovered so you can make it the hell out of here.
 
Although no doubt many of the absurd cliches of 12step programs have helped some people maintain abstainance, I personally abor the many absolute, simplistic, reductive, hypocrictical slogans pushed too often by well meaning morons. I most despise sideways inferences regarding the honesty and character of "those poor unfortunates can't get this simple program"
It's my perception that some people are too honest to "get it".
For instance, how many of you NA nazis run out and have tobacco during break, the very drug resposible for the most deaths exponentially. Yet you hypocrits claim you're clean, and even the people who aren't addicted to tobacco look the other way and pretend tobacco isn't a deadly drug.
The constant negative affirmations are at best self fullfilling prophecies, how fear mongering became equated with spirituallity is a mystery to me. I don't mean to infer that all participants in twelve-step programs full of shit. I have met a few beautiful sincere souls there. I just can't ignore the ignorance I see there. We live in a world full of color yet some choose to only see only in black and white.
 
Whosajiggawaaa said:
I like the serenity prayer.
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I actually remind myself of it constantly. That's about the only thing I took away from AA.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
How you're a "dry drunk" or in a major risk of a total relapse or death if you don't go to AA meetings, or don't go for the rest of your life. I'm sure there's a term they use akin to that in NA.
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I hate that they suggest that there way is the only way in subtle and not so subtle tones. I got my life back to functional and I didn't even have to totally quit drugs or go to meetings. Although the meetings were nice when I was in rehab because a lot of people wouldn't talk about some deep shit unless they were in a meeting. I really got to see the other side of addiction.

I FUCKING HATE "stinkin' thinking" or "I don't have a drinking problem I have a thinking problem." "It works if you work it." Which is total fucking horse shit

I hate their ideas on relationships. Their be sober a year before getting involved rule especially. So I meet a girl and we hit it off and I tell her I still got 5 more months of clean time to pull before we can date? Also what the fuck is "clean time" anyway? The whole concept of being "clean" implies that you were dirty at some point. Not doing drugs has no tangible benefits. It's just that you avoid the potential negatives of drug use.

Fuck I was saving my anger for work.
 
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Heh im active in NA BUT I realize that many people do find other ways out of being scum of the earth. They say 3 spiritual principles are necessary: honesty, open mindedness, and willingness. I see lots of lacking in open mindedness when it comes to people trying to better their lives. Honestly as long as the person is happy and isnt a bane to society I could give a fuck less if they can (somehow) recreationally smoke crack on wednesdsy and shoot h on tje weekends while working fulltime to support their family of 4. I choose to be in NA as its easier for me. Hell, guido used to be straight up junkie and forum jokester, now he's SD mod and takes care of himself better than 90% of the people I know in NA but wouldnt be considered "NA clean"...
 
I can't stand the dry drunk concept; they're basically telling you you're only sober if you attend the meetings. It's like they're encouraging you to become dependent on the fellowships. (And I know people whose entire lives revolve around meetings, they're not really moving forwards). Also, I think the disease model of addiction is bollocks imho
 
^I partially agree with it. I dont believe we are addicted to all drugs but I found myself powerless over a lot of them: cigs (hate them fuckers), euphoric injectable opiates, and weed primarily but I tended to binge on uppers while the previously mentioned were long term habits. Not saying its the case with everyone but just for me. I know quite a few people who quit their doc and could smoke weed occasionally and have a few drinks here and there.
 
"youre powerless"... then how am i supposed to recover? how am i supposed to stop using?

"higher power" ... fuck this, this is like 5/12 steps. not everyone lives a sober life revolving around spirituality, i was never spiritual before drugs, so i dont see why i need to be a spiritual man after.

"if youre on maintenance youre not sober".. how can you draw the line between suboxone/methadone maintenance and anti-depressants, mood stabilizers, etc?

"all addictions are the same"... half the people that regularly attend meetings in my area are all teenagers there for weed. weed. im sorry, but you have nothing in common with my experience of shooting heroin for 2 years.

i also hate the notion that you replace drug addiction with meeting addiction. if you spend the rest of your life talking about how you used to have drug problems, how is that helpful? i know a bunch of people with 10,15 years that still go to multiple meetings a week. for some people its just a place to get attention for self pity
 
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It actually has a lot in common with a cult. Cults have a charismatic leader, worshiped like a kind of Demi-god:Bill. Cults (and religions) all have sacred tenets: the 12 steps, and a bible: the big book. The thing that makes it most cult-like IMO is that every cults installs a message that is harmful to the ego of its followers: you are powerless, diseased, have no responsibility for your own actions. This is to make the followers amenable to religious coercion in the case of cults. Also, cults demand their followers to be completely dependent on the organisation; NA tells you you're only recovering if you're attending meetings-they don't give you the tools to empower yourself to move on.

I'm not saying NA is some sinister cult that wants you to drink poisoned Kool-aid or anything; it all seems fairly benign and helps people-I'm just saying there are certain parallels.
 
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^^^

You have to find the right meetings (which can be hard). There are good ones out there that aren't all slogans and weird hand-holding/cult chanting, but you have to look a little bit to find them.

AA/NA meetings come in all different shapes and sizes based on how the leaders of those groups personally want to run it.
 
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