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Misc Took Too Much Phenibut

I have to disagree: they should not make this illegal. It's up to people to do their research and use these drugs responsibly. I personally feel phenibut is an excellent alternative to benzo's and alcohol; since using it, I havn't touched booze for months now, thanks to phenibut. Besides, since when did making a drug illegal ever stop people from using drugs?

Oh yeah, that's a good point about making it a proper pharmaceutical. I think that would be very unlikely, as the stuff was made in Russia during the cold war; the Russians weren't big on patents, but the pharma companies certainly are. Anyway, they have baclofen as a drug and that is more powerful than phenibut anyway.I'm quite happy for this to remain as a nootropic or supplement. There have been no media scare stories about this yet, which is a good sign. I just hope to christ some idiot doesn't take like 100 grams of the stuff and get liver poisoning; that's how it starts.

No, phenibut is a very good drug imo; if dosed conservatively, it gives a subtle sense of calm, without sedation. Some people become euphoric, as the drug has dopamine activity. It's helped a lot of people with anxiety; I reckon if it weren't for phenibut, they'd be taking far riskier drugs ie benzos.
 
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I've had a horrific phenibut overdose similar to this about a year back, put me in a mental hospital for a week, and I almost died from seizures and stuff. I legit went psyco for about a month. It was the worst time of my life
 
xibenix said:
I've had a horrific phenibut overdose similar to this about a year back, put me in a mental hospital for a week, and I almost died from seizures and stuff. I legit went psyco for about a month. It was the worst time of my life
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how much did you take?
 
lolwhatzdrugs said:
If they made it illegal (Phenibut / β-Phenyl-γ-aminobutyric acid A.K.A. β-PHENYL-GABA), it would make all analogues illegal (if the CIIIed it), and since not only is gaba sold as a supplement, there are many other gaba analogs in current medical use which could have repercussions from the scheduling of Phenibut. Hell, maybe it will be recognized as a legitimate drug and schedule IVed so it can be prescribed.
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That's exactly where it would go if it was "un-supplemented". Phenibut is like etizolam, it's more like an unapproved pharmaceutical that happens to be sold in the grey market. It's not a GABA-A benzo, but since the mechanism is "similar enough", I see no reason why it wouldn't go in Schedule IV at *maximum*. It's even also possible that it would wind up as non-scheduled but prescription only (like baclofen).

From what I know of the regulations of what supplements are, phenibut is somewhat questionable under at least US supplement definitions. (Unlike something like GABA.) So it will be interesting to see what happens. Phenibut is currently under the same category as kratom right now -- legal, but there are enough complaints about it to cause major commerce sites to start to pull it from their supplements division. (Amazon pulled all phenibut a few months ago, for instance.) However, kratom's been in this status for quite a while.

Phenibut is wonderful with responsible usage. Just do your research, people. :)
 
All right, I'm slowly getting better, still feel fried mentally. Social interactions are agonizingly difficult. I feel like if I could just get one good night of sleep I'd be back to normal. I'll go back home this weekend, try to relax with my family and get some sleep, and hopefully this will be over by the end of the week.
Has anyone pulled through a phenibut withdrawal, and gone back to the same state of mind as they had before it, or is there going to be some permanent general anxiety?
 
brownjesus4566 said:
I'll go back home this weekend, try to relax with my family and get some sleep, and hopefully this will be over by the end of the week.
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Sounds like a plan. Sounds like you've had a bit of work pressure at the mo, too. Will be good for you to jump in your own bed and chill with the folks. :)
 
Thank you everyone. I think 8 grams within a 2 day period was way too much for a first experience, and it could have just psychologically shaken me up for a week. I'm completely fine now, and I'm sleeping normally. If anyone has any questions about my unusual experience, I'll check back on this thread about once a week.
 
brownjesus4566 said:
Thank you everyone. I think 8 grams within a 2 day period was way too much for a first experience, and it could have just psychologically shaken me up for a week. I'm completely fine now, and I'm sleeping normally. If anyone has any questions about my unusual experience, I'll check back on this thread about once a week.
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8g in 2 days?

man!

whatever happened to starting slow/small?

like HALF a gram, and see what happens?

glad to hear you're all set, but please remember the importance of dosing in your future endeavors. :)

-happy (responsible) phenibut user
 
Yeah phenibut causes tolerance/withdrawal quicker than anything I've ever experienced.

I was dosing once a week with no problems, just the obvious hey it would be nice to take it in this situation just because it makes you a boss but no withdrawal.

As soon as I took it 2 days in a row, insomnia for 1 night and maybe just a couple hours of sleep the next night. Also had these weird flashes of impending doom and anxiety only when I tried to sleep.

Had to bust out the kava root and chew on that, actually fell asleep with a wad of kava in my lip but hey it worked.

Don't dose phenibut on consecutive days. Once a week is really the only safe option.
 
I used to take a supplement that had:

Calcium (citrate/carbonate) 200 mg
Magnesium (aspartate) 200 mg
L-Tryptophan, Beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid (Phenibut 500 mg), Valerian Root Extract (0.8% Valeric acid), Inositol, Ashwaghanda (1.5% withanolides), Chamomile Flowers (Anthemis nobilis), Lemon Balm (Melissa officinalis)

It recommended 2-4 capsules at night for sleep. I'm tolerant to just about everything but that stuff knocked me the hell out. I would take it for two nights and it seemed to "reset" my sleep cycle and I slept normally after that for a good month and didn't need it.

That said, its got some warnings. Don't use more than 5 days, don't use with alcohol or GABA medications, do not exceed 4 capsules in a day, etc.

I found it to be a very potent blend... I could definitely see myself abusing it heavily if I didn't already know about the dangers of phenibut.
 
Yes phenibut allows me to get the BEST sleep. Maybe that's why you get insomnia so soon, it like it just fucks with your brain's "switch" to go unconscious and without it your brain forgets how to use that switch.
 
liftedgift said:
Yes phenibut allows me to get the BEST sleep. Maybe that's why you get insomnia so soon, it like it just fucks with your brain's "switch" to go unconscious and without it your brain forgets how to use that switch.
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I've never had phenibut by itself but I can't imagine that it would be better than that blend was. Lemon balm, valerian, and ashwagandha combo alone makes for a very synergistic GABAergic knockout punch.
 
Lemon Balm and ashwagandha...I'm gonna have to try that. I have some lemon balm in the back yard, think I'll make a tea later.
 
dopemegently said:
I have to disagree: they should not make this illegal. It's up to people to do their research and use these drugs responsibly. I personally feel phenibut is an excellent alternative to benzo's and alcohol; since using it, I havn't touched booze for months now, thanks to phenibut. Besides, since when did making a drug illegal ever stop people from using drugs?

Oh yeah, that's a good point about making it a proper pharmaceutical. I think that would be very unlikely, as the stuff was made in Russia during the cold war; the Russians weren't big on patents, but the pharma companies certainly are. Anyway, they have baclofen as a drug and that is more powerful than phenibut anyway.I'm quite happy for this to remain as a nootropic or supplement. There have been no media scare stories about this yet, which is a good sign. I just hope to christ some idiot doesn't take like 100 grams of the stuff and get liver poisoning; that's how it starts.

No, phenibut is a very good drug imo; if dosed conservatively, it gives a subtle sense of calm, without sedation. Some people become euphoric, as the drug has dopamine activity. It's helped a lot of people with anxiety; I reckon if it weren't for phenibut, they'd be taking far riskier drugs ie benzos.
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I never implied they should make it illegal, or scheduled, or scripted, at all. I took the shit bought from amazon, and never really felt the gaba effects, and kept pushing it to try to get them. Only ended puking the most sour yellow bile ever.

electrodevo said:
That's exactly where it would go if it was "un-supplemented". Phenibut is like etizolam, it's more like an unapproved pharmaceutical that happens to be sold in the grey market. It's not a GABA-A benzo, but since the mechanism is "similar enough", I see no reason why it wouldn't go in Schedule IV at *maximum*. It's even also possible that it would wind up as non-scheduled but prescription only (like baclofen).

From what I know of the regulations of what supplements are, phenibut is somewhat questionable under at least US supplement definitions. (Unlike something like GABA.) So it will be interesting to see what happens. Phenibut is currently under the same category as kratom right now -- legal, but there are enough complaints about it to cause major commerce sites to start to pull it from their supplements division. (Amazon pulled all phenibut a few months ago, for instance.) However, kratom's been in this status for quite a while.

Phenibut is wonderful with responsible usage. Just do your research, people. :)
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I'll take the etiz.
 
velmwend said:
Lemon Balm and ashwagandha...I'm gonna have to try that. I have some lemon balm in the back yard, think I'll make a tea later.
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Lemon balm works through GABA transaminase, inhibiting the breakdown of GABA to l-glutamate so its not surprising that its effective on anxiety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosmarinic_acid

Its interesting that rosmarinic acid is also found in peppermint. Hmm.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Lemon balm works through GABA transaminase, inhibiting the breakdown of GABA to l-glutamate so its not surprising that its effective on anxiety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosmarinic_acid

Its interesting that rosmarinic acid is also found in peppermint. Hmm.
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HMMM, an MAOI for GABA, new to me, A GABATI?

dopemegently said:
In future maybe stay away from the phenibut? You're reaction sounds very unusual, it could even be you're allergic to the stuff.
Glad to hear you're feeling better now.
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Highly doubt it. Low doses produced nothing. I had no tolerance to the stuff or gabagerics at the time, it was (me being an idiot) doing gram+ doses made me puke, just traditional OD, but still, never any GABA effects.

I can't completely discount that though, as I do have allergies, but nothing but the basic grass/pollen stuff.
 
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