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Eh, MDB: when people can see you're affected negatively by a drug, it's really hard to sit back sometimes and just not offer advice on how you think there might be a solution to that perceived problem. After all, when push comes to shove, BL really is here with a focus on harm reduction more than anything else, so that's going to surface more than just sharing common experiences with benzo addiction or whatnot.

I really would try to not take that kind of advice/commentary as a slight upon your character, rather more like in terms of people wanting you not to have to go through whatever it is youre going through at the mo, because they know how unpleasant it is, so they therefore try to offer you solutions.

The average poster here isn't necessarily a professional but most have at least a little bit of experience regarding quitting substances that aren't easy to quit.
 
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I'm not saying I don't believe you are not being allowed a benzo taper but I know people who are and, I know some drug workers I can ask who would perhaps help to see if you can go to a different area. Perhaps even a change of GPs and make you see the drugs specialist GP

I would not recommend diazepam powder it is so easy to go mad on that.

I really hope you can get a supervised benzo taper soon it will help a lot.

:-)

Why would a pharmacy give you benzo powder over pills?
 
I dont even feel as if i can happily browse this forum anymore with people like that on here. Ive had enough.

I've been worried about you TBH but not really sure how to reach out without making things worse or coming over as some patronising, sanctimonious cunt.

I can't say I've been where you are, as I don't know where you are but I have been in a right mess with Benzos and, for me it just made matters worse but I didn't really see that until I started pulling away from them.

At the level you are using your cognition is badly impaired and along with it, to some extent your judgement.

There are people here that care about you ( to the extent they can when they only know you form an internet forum ) I hope there are also people you know that do as well and that you seek whatever support you need to start taking control of the situation.

All the very best mate
 
What is riling me are all the assumptions popele are making. That i need hep, that i mnot getting any hekp, Im getting all the help i need. These things need tacklickg bit bu bit. Bupe has got to be the first to go i think;although that i the most painfiul one to let go of, as it gives me such a lift.

I have no less than 5 addictions on the go at the moment.

So what if i cut my self some slack on one of them, and trake as much as i want for as log as i want.

Apart rom my typring how can eberyone tell my cognition is suffering (ive clealt shown seceral times how my judgement has veeb affected,so arent going to contest that one)

Can diazepams be snorted btw ?
 
It's not a good idea to cut yourself slack with benzos. The only thing i cut myself slack with is kratom. At least it doesn't impair my judgement, cause amnesia and lead to blind rage. Benzos do.
 
MDB, before I say any more.... I REALLY LIKE YOU. Remember this.

Evil Elvis is certainly not trolling or being abusive. Nobody is getting pissed off with your spelling, most of us know that benzos and booze can cause that.

Everyone who comments on your benzo use is trying to offer help, and the very sensible advice that you need a proper taper, not some haphazard purchases of unknown benzos which you then take in huge amounts.

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At the level you are using your cognition is badly impaired and along with it, to some extent your judgement.

this.

you are imagining animosity towards you, and misinterpreting people's sympathy as criticisms. This is down to the drugs.

You do seem to be going downhill again, please be careful, please tackle this. When you are (relatively) straight you make good posts, lucid, and interesting. When you're twatted on benzos your posts are full of paranoia and misdirected anger.

And remember what I said in the first line of this post. <3
 
What is riling me are all the assumptions popele are making. That i need hep, that i mnot getting any hekp, Im getting all the help i need. These things need tacklickg bit bu bit. Bupe has got to be the first to go i think;although that i the most painfiul one to let go of, as it gives me such a lift.

I have no less than 5 addictions on the go at the moment.

So what if i cut my self some slack on one of them, and trake as much as i want for as log as i want.

Apart rom my typring how can eberyone tell my cognition is suffering (ive clealt shown seceral times how my judgement has veeb affected,so arent going to contest that one)

Can diazepams be snorted btw ?

I don't do the multi post thing ( I find it a bit annoying TBH )

People always make assumptions about others, you kinda of have to as no one can ever really know what's going on in someone else's head. The assumptions are worth listening to as they can help you more fully understand your actual situation but it can be difficult not to take them as accusations or condemnation.

You have drug abuse problems as many have done or do here, IMHO compartmentalising them in such a finite way may not be a great idea as you may end up compensating for the loss of one of the substances by going over board with another, but clearly you can't just CT the lot tomorrow.

As far as your cognition goes, I can't tell but at the level you are abusing Benzos it would be near impossible if this was not the case as it is a well documented side effect, there is even some suggestion that prolonged abuse can lead to some permanent impairment.

I don't see anyone attacking you here, but you do seem to have become very defensive which, without wishing to drift into GCSE psychology does suggest much of what is being said has a element of truth.

I'll make no further comment as I have no wish to upset you in anyway.
 
No you can get diazepam powder on the street.

Having been through a benzo taper successfully I'm shocked you can't get one, would have been much harder without.
 
Talk about wearing people's patience thin:

Its clear 95 % of people on this thread have no clue what they are talking about.

It is Not possible to get prescribed & controlled benzo tapers where i live. Please stop going on about that. ALL this useless info just drives the point home even further home that its the irrelevant/out of date/useless advice thats causing me the problem. Not the fuckin benzos themselves. they make me happy. I f peopele would jsut lkeave me alone to get onb witrh it.This shows they dont understand it is themsves that is causing the problem fro me and not the nenzos..

To put things bluntly if youy dionjt understand kep your bloody nose out. Thankyou.

too bad if thats put youyr nose out of joiunt it ahows you have no idea what you are talking about. brimz and shambles and knock would be the only people id want to talk to about this if i felt it was a prioority to get off them. Fact is, i dont. Id be on them for life if i could.

If your just gonna nag me to death please dont bother, ive got my drugs wokers to do that for me, youll jsut be ignored anyway cos chances are you dont understand.

thankyou#

ps

that maataueuer psycholofy thing - thatpost absolutely enraged me "cos you showed such control with phenaz so far" AGAIN - a failure to understand - i buyt phenaz specifically to go on mad binges with it. I use cleaner, fresher, stuff, like etizolam to maiantain.

Maybe some of you do mean well, adnd im sorry if ive bittten thye heads of those who di, but those that dont ubderstand please, in the nicest possible sense, keep your noses out. You do far more harm than good with contradictorary advice coming from everyone.

Whose gonna porove that my cognition has deteriorated then ?> You cant, can you, because it hasnt.

Bad judgement and benzo rages aside you hyave no evidence whatsoiever.

pleae stop talking crap.

when my 4 other addictions are conquered ill tackle benzos - in about 20 years - if im still alive.

thankyou for your kind words MM, things are not coming over to me like that that to me though. All i hear is NAG NAG NAG NAG FUCKING NAG.Why are peoples patience wearing thin. if you dont wanna know dont read about it. For heavens sake (that bit not aimed at you MM).

iM NOT EVEN MIXING BENZOS WITH DANGEROUS AMOUNTS OF OPIATES OR ANY OTHER DOWNERS FFS (BARELY ANY OPIATES) I COULD UNDERSTAND A BIT MORE IF THAT WAS THE CASE.

I feel as im the only alcoholic on the board or somethingf, so everyone has decided they want to do somewthing about him. You cant do things about people. People come to their own conclusiuon in their own time.

That is my last word on the subject. Knock can i change my u/name so i dont get all this shit any more pl:p:)ease ?

what shouyld have been a pleasant evening after i magicked a job search out of thin air in ten minutes and blagged my way through like the system a charm, did some tidying up this afternoon, has had me raging for about 10 hoiurs since i saw the ilkl informed shite written on here. Please get back to your daily mail. , thing is you cant take benzos to calm down once yoyre already in a rage, fucked now.

brimz has been using benzos for 15 years. Is there anything wrong with him ? Judge for yourselves !
 
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10 hours of raging from an internet forum? LOL. you piss yourself off and benzos amp it. people can critizize all they like, its human nature, but its how you react that determines your feelings about it. if you do manage to get a job i pity the people working with you

oh and this post will have pissed you off. enjoy another 10 hours of rage. i look forward to a wall of moaning and ranting text with some added capitals
 
if you do manage to get a job i pity the people working with you

thank you. thats the nicest thing anyone has said to me all year. :) Judging by that our probably never wanna become an ' internet buddy' of mine anyway, so why dont we jusy keep things civil between us or just ignore each other eh.

I only bougt you into it brimz as you were on about you'd been taking benzos for 15 yeears and everyone was nagging me for a 2 year habit (i hope you didnt mind me mentioneing you i can delete all thoise traces out if yopu want - sorry if it was out of ortder and rude of me ccome to think of it. You probably told me that in confidence so i shouild not have been gosspiping. Sorry. Clealry nothing is gong to be gained by contninuing this post, i will just accumaulate more ans more bitchy remarks.

Dan, unless you've experienced a benzo rage its inmpossible to describe. I unndertsnatns that people are responsible for their own feelings, behaviours and reactions. I was well liked in my last job, as i am by most people i meet. Coming on the internet to vent does give a rather skewed picture of who am i am, not that i expect you be very interested.

this is not the right place to say it but you all probably think im nuts anyway,. yes i do have mental health issues, and top of this weeks agenda is how to repond when prople make you angry. Some people just go through life without learning coping skills. Im gonna learn some. All the theories in the world arent gonna help much with a benzo rage from hell tho. Been up all night, and yesterdays experiences have had me reassess the order in which i regain control óf my substances. I didnt sleep a wink anyway, despite 20 diaz, 5 etiz, 2 zopiclones and a mirtazapine. Human psychology is more complicated than press the same button and the same thing will happen again.
 
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I didnt sleep a wink anyway, despite 20 diaz, 5 etiz, 2 zopiclones and a mirtazapine. Human psychology is more complicated than press the same button and the same thing will happen again.

Fuck all to do with your massive benzo tolerance/dependency then?

Give your head a shake :)
 
Whose gonna porove that my cognition has deteriorated then ?> You cant, can you, because it hasnt.

Bad judgement and benzo rages aside you hyave no evidence whatsoiever.

So bad judgement and benzo rages are things you're prepared to accept as facts of life now?

You have me on ignore already and you're in no state to take this on board. Nevertheless, I'm not going to tread on eggshells, as it's obvious that you're selectively reading people's posts, rejecting any criticisms and mistaking people's reluctance to upset you for encouragement to continue this dangerous behaviour you seem so keen to perpetuate.

So for the sake of anybody in a similar position who's reading this who might be in a more receptive frame of mind, here goes:

You are going to end up hurting yourself, getting arrested, getting beaten up or worse
No question. Your own thread demonstrated that these benzo rages are not confined to this forum. You've injured yourself on your bike, and you've had conflicts with neighbours. You've destroyed your own crockery. This is not normal behaviour.

You seem to regard drug addiction as a viable long-term escape from reality
It isn't. Maybe it is for a while. Sometimes a long while. Reality always comes knocking though, and it's a bone-jarring bailiff's knock at 5am, not a gentle pitter-patter on your window. Are you ready to find that out first-hand?

You are not making use of the real-life assistance available
Maybe your GP is useless; maybe your drugs worker too. In that case, you have the power to make a change.

What I will say is that you seem to think that the NHS is there to enable the addictions you seem determined to bring upon yourself, and it really isn't. You've mentioned trying to 'beat the system'. Those days are long gone I'm afraid. Ask Shambles or brimz if you refuse to believe me.

You are unemployed and not looking for a job
Alright, so you hated your last job. There's no reason to do a job you hate (though thousands of people are left with little choice) but do you think unemployment is going to be easy, or good for your self-esteem? You seem to need the distraction if nothing else. Sometimes a boring job can be a blessing in disguise for those inclined to substance abuse.

You will alienate yourself from people for good
There are people on this forum (and probably in real life) who show concern, yet you throw that back in their faces at the drop of a hat. Okay, I understand that mindset, but don't be surprised when people just give up. It sucks, yeah. But they have feelings and lives of their own too.

Everybody's pain is unique and subjective, and I don't know what you're going through. I do know what I'm talking about, however.

I've spent my whole adult life watching myself go from crisis to crisis, with plenty of heavy drug abuse inbetween. I've watched myself destroy relationships, lose jobs, become homeless, slip into psychosis, behave in reprehensible fashion and erode my support networks slowly but surely. I was eventually diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but drug abuse masked this reality and exacerbated the self-destructive behaviour for long enough for me to do real, lasting damage to myself and my future prospects.

You may know a little about bipolar, but my particular case involves extreme anhedonia, which basically means I can no longer enjoy activities the way I used to. Social interaction is uncomfortable most of the time, sex is unsatisfactory and most 'entertainment' of any kind fails to grab me, apart from in an extremely perverse, perhaps cynical, fashion. Drugs allow me a break from the emptiness that lurks right at the centre of my existence, to say nothing of smoothing out the extremes of depression and hypomania. Yeah, you get it - I suffer. What a saint. :)

So I do understand the appeal of Big Dumb Oblivion, but I also know that going down that road tends to make you lose everything you value, if not your life. I understand this all too well. So I refrain from giving in to the temptation, even though the alternative is an existence which (at least most of the time) many people would find more or less devoid of life.

As I've said before, your choice.
 
well course i have to admit it is, recognising the extent of the problem is a hard first step to take. EADD isnt like support meeting where you coul get encouragteent and support fro your problems. I think ill stay out of here foir a while and annoy the people in the dark side and mental healkth support sections instead.

anyway im alll sweetness and liught this mornijg. You all know im not like that. But neither amn i some fuckin devils spawn to be cast aside and torched to death. Like most of us, im somewhere ibertween. Well i probabloy have a whole lot more problems than most people have to deal eith. But it would seem that EADD is not the place to discuss them.
 
10 hours of raging from an internet forum? LOL. you piss yourself off and benzos amp it. people can critizize all they like, its human nature, but its how you react that determines your feelings about it. if you do manage to get a job i pity the people working with you

oh and this post will have pissed you off. enjoy another 10 hours of rage i look forward to a wall of moaning and ranting text with some added capitals.


Really mature Dan . What a way to get your kicks

So when you get in trouble & need help you won't mind people being a cunt to you ?
 
Oh yeah Just a reminder to everyone ..

Heroic doses of Benzo's are not going to make you fall asleep . If they don't work at a sensible dose then they won't at a really high one & then you will suffer the rebound anxiety & rage .
 
So bad judgement and benzo rages are things you're prepared to accept as facts of life now?

no, they are things i am clealry prone to undfer the influence of benzos.

You have me on ignore already and you're in no state to take this on board. how do you know ?> are u telepathic ? (i love being underestimated by people and then beinmg able to take them totally by surprise when thy realise they've done so, its one of my gratest pleasures in life to proove wrong all the doubyters ive encountered alomh ,my path - ha you didnt think i ccould do that did you you bastard (not aimed at you elvis, just an example of my thought processes)

Nevertheless, I'm not going to tread on eggshells, GOOD

as it's obvious that you're selectively reading people's posts, rejecting any criticisms (possibly)

and mistaking people's reluctance to upset you for encouragement to continue this dangerous behaviour you seem so keen to perpetuate. also possible

So for the sake of anybody in a similar position who's reading this who might be in a more receptive frame of mind, here goes:
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You are going to end up hurting yourself, ( not wrong, could haave easily killed myself accidentally about 12 times already this year)
getting arrested, getting beaten up or worse (possibly)
No question. Your own thread demonstrated that these benzo rages are not confined to this forum. You've injured yourself on your bike, and you've had conflicts with neighbours. (to be fair, who doesnt have conflicts with their neigjhbouts, although my stance was fuckin pathetric) You've destroyed your own crockery. This is not normal behaviour. (it is in greece haahh - its great fun. i knoiw its not normal)

Benzos give me a huge bravado/disinhibitory effect to the point that i believe i become LESS of a target for a beating because i have no aura of being a TARGET OR A VICTIM. As long as aggressive eye contact is avoided with the wrong person. Rightly or wrongly, I believe most crimes are pepetuated against people seen as victims. Many people are cowwards and if you just face them down theyll back down IME. That guy was twice TRYING to intimidat mne, it didnt work. Im not rying to say Im hard im a chicken shit fairy without benzoa but they gibe me the confidence of the gods. Do you begin to see why its so hard for e to stop when they apparently help me so much in many ways (of couurse youve alos opened my eyes wide to the negative consequences also though)

You seem to regard drug addiction as a viable long-term escape from reality - considering it - sme junkies make it to theie 70s - i dnt really wanna fo9llow that route though
Reality always comes knocking though, and it's a bone-jarring bailiff's knock at 5am, not a gentle pitter-patter on your window. Are you ready to find that out first-hand? Oh ive been there, thats why i turned to dtugs !!!!!!!!!

You are not making use of the real-life assistance available (i am - just nit the full amount avaialable)
Maybe your GP is useless; maybe your drugs worker too. In that case, you have the power to make a change. (ive just exercised me right tro researcxh and choose my own anti depressants which doc was fine with') new drugs worker is efficient and together as fuck. She may well help me.

What I will say is that you seem to think that the NHS is there to enable the addictions you seem determined to bring upon yourself, and it really isn't. You've mentioned trying to 'beat the system'. i might have been rfering trying to gert a medicated benzo taper. what is wrong with that, if youyre criticising me for that then you are contradicting tourseof abt me not making full use of serviuces



You are unemployed and not looking for a job correct - im returniung to college

Alright, so you hated your last job. There's no reason to do a job you hate (though thousands of people are left with little choice) but do you think unemployment is going to be easy, or good for your self-esteem? You seem to need the distraction if nothing else. Sometimes a boring job can be a blessing in disguise for those inclined to substance abuse. i repeat im returniung to college

You will alienate yourself from people for good oh youd be amazed how people can be won round if you try hard enough. Most people are very forgiving by nayure No one thinks they are perfect or likes holding on to grudges IME. Often just a litlle jesture or ollive branch will suffice
There are people on this forum (and probably in real life) who show concern, yet you throw that back in their faces at the drop of a hat. yes thats sucks, i should make ammends.

Okay, I understand that mindset, but don't be surprised when people just give up. It sucks, yeah. But they have feelings and lives of their own too.

Everybody's pain is unique and subjective, and I don't know what you're going through. I do know what I'm talking about - yes your own sum of experience

I've spent my whole adult life watching myself go from crisis to crisis, with plenty of heavy drug abuse inbetween. I've watched myself destroy relationships, lose jobs, become homeless, slip into psychosis, behave in reprehensible fashion and erode my support networks slowly but surely. I was eventually diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but drug abuse masked this reality and exacerbated the self-destructive behaviour for long enough for me to do real, lasting damage to myself and my future prospects.

now that changes my opinionof you totally - i imnmediatekly like you MUCH more .

You may know a little about bipolar, (i have about 4 bipolar friends)

but my particular case involves extreme anhedonia, which basically means I can no longer enjoy activities the way I used to.

Social interaction is uncomfortable most of the time, (i have crippling self conscincsciosness without drugs. to even be in a room, let alone converse with people ie beyond any current reach of mine)

sex is unsatisfactory and most 'entertainment' of any kind fails to grab me, apart from in an extremely perverse, perhaps cynical, fashion. Drugs allow me a break from the emptiness that lurks right at the centre of my existence, to say nothing of smoothing out the extremes of depression and hypomania. Yeah, you get it - I suffer. What a saint.

So I do understand the appeal of Big Dumb Oblivion, but I also know that going down that road tends to make you lose everything you value, if not your life. I understand this all too well. So I refrain from giving in to the temptation, even though the alternative is an existence which (at least most of the time) many people would find more or less devoid of life.

As I've said before, your choice.

wow man, why couldnt you have said that first time !! <3

why did i have to act up like such a prick last night ? i dunno ? gonna be more careful with benxos now though and change their prority of cutting down on them.

i believe the realirty for me that i may be for ever dependant on benzos, maybe also subutex. If youve been brokjen, then i find it impossible not to take something that fixes me.

i thinkj we both got each other compoletekly wrong yesterday. Im used to it, Popel always assumme that my shyness is snobbery when it could nt be furhher from the tryth,


well elvis elvis, i dint know why yiou devoted all that energy to me and my ilk, byt thank you for doing so.

bttw elvis none of me medical tem are csared of poinmting out dangers foir fear it will upset me. i dont hink many perople are here eityher tbh. Ive got Pontifix walking on eggshells for some reason which aint rightm, gonhjna have to sort that 1 out.
 
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