EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

[lurching]

thing is you cant take benzos to calm down once yoyre already in a rage, fucked now.

Oh yeah Just a reminder to everyone ..

Heroic doses of Benzo's are not going to make you fall asleep . If they don't work at a sensible dose then they won't at a really high one & then you will suffer the rebound anxiety & rage .

THIS.

Lowered inhibition + rage = recipe for trouble.

Good advice from Evil Elvis, especially his first point is of great importance now: try to stabilize yourself so that you are not at direct risk of hurting yourself, getting arrested, getting beaten up or worse.

 

[knock]

MDB, we will chat later, but for the moment no-one is going to read your last post, your replies are not readily distinguishable from Elvis's post that you're replying to.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

right, ill sort it out - sorry.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Oh yeah Just a reminder to everyone ..

Heroic doses of Benzo's are not going to make you fall asleep . If they don't work at a sensible dose then they won't at a really high one & then you will suffer the rebound anxiety & rage .

Wish youd told me that about 20 mionths ago lol/ just kidding. They are dead in the ware as far as sleep aids are concerned now. I spose all i can do is gradually taper down off them, and hope anxiety doesnt get too much of a grip on me.

 

[knock]

right, ill sort it out - sorry.

Nice one, thanks :D

 

[mydrugbuddy]

So when 30 benzos have become useless for sleep and pose a risk of triggring alarming benzo rages, (not least for the poerson himself who is toytally out of control) what would be the best way to reduce a big benzo habit ? 1,2, 34, or 5 a week ? I huess the first 10 can be knocked off pretty quick and then you might hvae to start slowing down to one a week for fear of seizures or whaetver.

Im gonna get flamed again but i think i mighjht need benzos for my entire life for thieir anxiolytic properties. So if i could reduce to 5,4,3 or even 2 i'd be fuyckin delighted. And a lot less unpredictable too.

What can you do when all sleep aids fail ? My drugs worker loves saying "lack of sleep never killed anyone, trying to get to sleep has taken thousands", I totally understand what he means. I might get the fuckin valerian root out again tonight. The drink alone did nothing after 2 nights, the tolerance kickjed in that quickl..... But that reminds me that the super concentratd extract of valerian did work, gonna get me some more of them.....

 

[knock]

Your drug worker has a point, sometimes I don't get to sleep and I had a fear of it for a while (strangely, since it never bothered me when I was younger) but I don't mind now and the next day is not all that bad, and I'm sure of a decent kip the next night. I'm not talking about situations where stims are involved.

Although people have died from lack of sleep. It's not common though.

 

[brimz]

NEVER EVER

Tell a health care worker that you have been taking big doses of any benzo .

They will flag you straight way n you will never get a script . If you are going to attempt to try & get something legit you have to be sensible or else they won't take a risk .

If you were to say
e.g " I am on 40mg of diaz a day n have been for x time & i really want to quit then they will listen , you may not get a script but they will take it on board they have to.

Scenario 2

"I am taking 20 etizolam & phenezpam etc " for a start it's unlikely they even know what your talking about , My GP wouldn't n tell me to fuk off - HONESTLY .

You have to put yourself in there shoes 4 a start .

I have been working GPs for a long time n could write a fukin Manual .

 

[Evil Elvis]

Do you begin to see why its so hard for e to stop when they apparently help me so much in many ways

Yes, because I've been there. I am there.

I know that it's great to be able to flick a switch and enable myself to live what appears on the surface to be a 'normal' life. It wasn't easy for me to give up benzos and it hasn't been easy staying off them either.

i might have been rfering trying to gert a medicated benzo taper. what is wrong with that, if youyre criticising me for that then you are contradicting tourseof abt me not making full use of serviuces

Forgive me for making that assumption, but some of your posts give mixed signals. I think a supervised taper would put you in a position where you can better deal with the root causes of your anxiety by means other than tranquilising yourself.

correct - im returniung to college

Well that's a positive step, so well done. I hope you manage to make a go of it, but needless to say it'll require a lot of discipline and concentration. Genuinely, best of luck.

oh youd be amazed how people can be won round if you try hard enough. Most people are very forgiving by nayure No one thinks they are perfect or likes holding on to grudges IME. Often just a litlle jesture or ollive branch will suffice

Tell that to the people who can't even bring themselves to say my name anymore! And I'm a charming fucker, believe me. People will put up with so much in my experience. Even if your heart is in the right place.

now that changes my opinionof you totally - i imnmediatekly like you MUCH more .

Well thanks! So I'm no longer the world's worst alt?

I hope you realise that I don't take something like broadcasting my mental health problems lightly, but I thought it might break the ice and show you that I'm not preaching from on high, even if it comes across that way at times.

(i have crippling self conscincsciosness without drugs. to even be in a room, let alone converse with people ie beyond any current reach of mine)

You come across as quite an entertaining guy. I know it's not always easy to maintain that in real life, but staggering about on benzos, while it may make you lose those inhibitions, tends to end up thwarting your progress in other ways.

I wish there were an easy solution, but I'm working on it myself. I empathise, however. I really do.

why did i have to act up like such a prick last night ? i dunno ?

Benzos, eh?

i believe the realirty for me that i may be for ever dependant on benzos, maybe also subutex. If youve been brokjen, then i find it impossible not to take something that fixes me.

This mindset is a genuine worry. As long as you're thinking that way, you will likely find ways of rationalising any further abuse. The mind is frighteningly efficient at such trickery, and you seem like a reasonably intelligent guy, so this will be all the more true.

Again, I strongly recommend dramatically curbing your drug consumption and then doing your best to address any underlying mental health concerns. Unfortunately it has to work that way, or even the best professionals can't help you. If it worked the other way round then of course it'd be easier, but that's the nature of the beast. And it is a fucking beast.

i thinkj we both got each other compoletekly wrong yesterday. Im used to it, Popel always assumme that my shyness is snobbery when it could nt be furhher from the tryth,

Know the feeling!

well elvis elvis, i dint know why yiou devoted all that energy to me and my ilk, byt thank you for doing so.

My pleasure.

 

[knock]

"I am taking 20 etizolam & phenezpam etc " for a start it's unlikely they even know what your talking about , My GP wouldn't n tell me to fuk off - HONESTLY .

I'm sure this is true and it's quite frightening that people who most need help will not get it, just because their problem is unusual. Really fucking wrong.

 

[ShopperCheck]

Looks like Dans prediction is paying dividends..

 

[knock]

I wonder if there is any benefit in seeking private medical help. Put that bitcoin windfall to good use!

 

[Evil Elvis]

I'm sure this is true and it's quite frightening that people who most need help will not get it, just because their problem is unusual. Really fucking wrong.

It's not ideal, no, but from a GP's point of view maybe it's not that wrong.

If somebody shows they have a propensity to heavily abuse drugs which are ultimately meant for 'therapeutic use' (as GP's understand the term), surely there's an ethical concern when it comes to prescribing drugs of the same class (dangerous ones at that), especially when the patient shows little self-control in dosing?

There's a huge difference between approaching a doctor from the "I am an unrepentant drug user, please help me to secure future supplies or I may die" angle and the "I have fallen into drug use and I desperately want to stop. Would you be able to help me?" approach. I agree that ultimately assistance should be provided either way, but the medical profession is under intense pressure and scrutiny when it comes to such matters.

Do I agree with this? Not entirely. Though as Brimz says, that's the way it works.

I wonder if there is any benefit in seeking private medical help. Put that bitcoin windfall to good use!

You'd probably get the benzo taper prescription, yeah. But that isn't the real problem here, is it?

 

[knock]

The GP's point of view should be: here is a person who has got themselves into a potentially dangerous situation from which they will have great difficulty extricating themselves unaided. And so I must help.

I'm not saying that means a benzo script, but it cannot mean washing their hands of MDB, which it seems is what is happening.

And I'm not necessarily blaming the GP, they work in a system which severely constrains them, and is under-resourced.

Knowing all this doesn't help our drug buddy, though.

 

[brimz]

I'm sure this is true and it's quite frightening that people who most need help will not get it, just because their problem is unusual. Really fucking wrong.

Mate you have mis interpreted .

He would say it cos he's real like that . THis is the same guy that Scripted me when the Local DSP black listed me . He is a legend .

We have a very honest relationship n i like it as there is no fuking about . Respect is what i think a DR . has to earn not friendship n some need to learn this .
My GP is a one off , last of that era . He would prescribe benzo's if he thought it was correct .

you get me now Knock ?

 

[Evil Elvis]

The GP's point of view should be: here is a person who has got themselves into a potentially dangerous situation from which they will have great difficulty extricating themselves unaided. And so I must help.

Absolutely. I'm not saying any different. I just think there's a chance that MDB's expectations are somewhat unrealistic, and I think that making significant efforts to taper alone before seeking help would help his case immensely.

 

[brimz]

The GP's point of view should be: here is a person who has got themselves into a potentially dangerous situation from which they will have great difficulty extricating themselves unaided. And so I must help.

I'm not saying that means a benzo script, but it cannot mean washing their hands of MDB, which it seems is what is happening.

And I'm not necessarily blaming the GP, they work in a system which severely constrains them, and is under-resourced.

Knowing all this doesn't help our drug buddy, though.

A GP is a General Practitioner & rarely unless he is working in shared care with the Local DSp has the resources or knowledge to deal with unusual addiction problems .

It is their duty of care to make sure that the individual is referred to the correct agency that can deal with the patients problem .

 

[knock]

A GP is a General Practitioner & rarely unless he is working in shared care with the Local DSp has the resources or knowledge to deal with unusual addiction problems .

It is their duty of care to make sure that the individual is referred to the correct agency that can deal with the patients problem .

I don't know anything about DSPs. Can they prescribe?

Maybe I have misunderstood. I know how GPs work, I know they refer to specialists because I've been through that process, not about drugs but other things. It just seems MDB is not getting what he needs, do you agree? And the GP is best placed to ensure he does but that doesn't seem to be happening.

Absolutely. I'm not saying any different. I just think there's a chance that MDB's expectations are somewhat unrealistic, and I think that making significant efforts to taper alone before seeking help would help his case immensely.

I fully agree, I think he should cut down to the minimum dose he can handle, immediately, and taper from there. He should probably go back to etizolam instead of phenazepam, purely because the shorter half-life means he would be more in control of his state.

 

[Evil Elvis]

Definitely.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Looks like Dans prediction is paying dividends..

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