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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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I dont care about broadcasting my probloems to the 100 or so people who read this section of the EADD forum. I dont know any of them personjally so dont feel much of any esmbarasement if any atall . The main
hope is that someone will have been throuygh similar and wil be able to help/provide solutions, before i become an addict for life'

Sgould i confine my mental health problams to the dark side and mental health threads from now on then
Mods ?

is going privarte pretty much my only optionj then /.?

I have to find the solution withiun myself as no fucker else can help, ( not saying no one cares or nones trying) nyt the level of care i recxiece at the meomentis fuckin woefull about 3 hours a week. Not ione singlke taper plan has even been discussed. No one knows wgat they are talking about drugs wise. Hopefully my new worker will be a bit mnore clued up.

otherwise ill be mortaging my house and moving back to live with my Dad soon.

What an up and down couple of days iut has been t say the least.
 
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I would hope that going private isn't your only option (and I genuinely don't think it is), but obviously you can't carry on this way. You need to reduce your benzo dose quite significantly, and it needs to be dealt with as soon as possible.

There really isn't a solution that won't involve some degree of discomfort and anxiety, but even a supervised taper would be uncomfortable. Are you sure you can't summon the willpower to cut your doses even slightly? You'll be in a much better position to proceed if you can.

It can really get you down to have to go it alone. Ultimately though, it's always going to involve a measure of inner strength. You could even surprise yourself.

Fucking lousy, yeah. Better than coming to real harm though, don't you agree?
 
mydrugbuddy said:
The main hope is that someone will have been throuygh similar and wil be able to help/provide solutions, before i become an addict for life'
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More than enough people have tried to give you advice, you've payed no attention and done what you wanted to do either way. And no need to worry about becoming an addict for life, you're already there. Unless you wake up and admit that you have a problem and take productive steps to resolve them.

And less of the "oh woe is me.." Everyone has issues, not everyone's an addict.
 
i do self pity once in 5 years on here and immediately get pulled up on it !!! Fuckin great . As an objecive observer how would that make you feel.

im just in a negative funk at the moment.

the 3 hours treatement i receive per week is fuckin woeful, they havent evebn estalished a taper plan or even what im fucking tkinhg yet , jsust uselfless form filling.

its clear if im going to sort this out i have to do it by myself.
 
If your current treatment is so fuckin woeful, then it is certainly possible to do it yourself. But can you do it safely, in this state you are in?


What's the minimum dose of benzo you need to take to hold off worst withdrawal? Try to find that point. You should be able to taper down to that point and stabilize there.


Try to lay off the stimulants if you are still taking any. Strongly consider an antipsychotic, such as olanzapine, to curb your rages and as a sleeping aid.
 
ShopperCheck said:
More than enough people have tried to give you advice, you've payed no attention and done what you wanted to do either way. And no need to worry about becoming an addict for life, you're already there. Unless you wake up and admit that you have a problem and take productive steps to resolve them.

And less of the "oh woe is me.." Everyone has issues, not everyone's an addict.
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you can guess what my reply is to such a helpful sympatetic and understanding post. Im not wasting all that energy again.
 
knock said:
Do people really believe in "tough love"? Can't wait to use it on them!
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<3 :).

im going in on my next appointment , asking thrm to put their crappy bumff to the back of the dusty cupboard where it belomgs, and im going to hammer out a taper program.


Im doing it my way now. Their way doesnt work.

This sudden positivity and drive has only emerged thanks to some recently ingested sub. But man does my mood fuckin need it so badly.

20 etizolams down (should be stable on that) and half a cholrazepam tonight. At least ill fuckin sleep. See where that gets me. I am practically my own doctor now for all the helkp the NHS has given me (if i could put a figure on it it would be in the minuses), though id have sued myself for incompetence, even so i ive got more idea what to do than the rest of them put together.

im becoming conscious that im tying up this thread. Mods, do you want to move all my waflings to TDS, MENTAL HEALTH, or have me start a blog. I ve raised the point as i realise this is not my forum, so before someone has an inevitable dig at me (aaaaaaaaaaaah) its in the mods hands now not mine.

TY lurch, i think your advice has been about the best practical advice ive been given, Thanks also to knock, elvis, mm, and brimz for your moral support. It means more than you will ever know.
 
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knock said:
He should probably go back to etizolam instead of phenazepam, purely because the shorter half-life means he would be more in control of his state.
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To be clear this is a general comment, it's clear MDB has no interest in my words of unrivalled wisdom:\

Shorter half life would not be generally considered a good move for tapering, Ashton recommends Diazepam specifically due to it's long half life.

Phenaz is just bad news all round, Diaz dosed once in the morning and once at night is a sustainable regime IME and goes some way to removing you from the 'pill popping' habituation as well.
 
Allein said:
To be clear this is a general comment, it's clear MDB has no interest in my words of unrivalled wisdom:\

Shorter half life would not be generally considered a good move for tapering, Ashton recommends Diazepam specifically due to it's long half life.

Phenaz is just bad news all round, Diaz dosed once in the morning and once at night is a sustainable regime IME and goes some way to removing you from the 'pill popping' habituation as well.
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Fair enough, and I've read this before, didn't occur to me though. I just thought that the reason MDB was getting so fucked up was he is dosing phenazepam daily, so the doses are cumulative. With etizolam, if you dose at tea time most of it is out your system by morning. So you get a clean slate.

What is the reasoning behind a preference for long half-life in a taper?

Never mind I'm reading Ashton. It's to allow smooth elimination.
 
no no, allein, dont take it personally, i havent been abke to take anyhting in, nothing to do with how much you know *snip* you have a great deal of experiece and knowledge abhout all thius, and are going to br worth lsitening to when im abkle)my brain storm is subsisiding, ahhh so nice, thang god for etiz and sub. (as a short - mif d term measure. shoret term for sub) i have to see if i can do 6 months without it, if i cant that rules out PAWS and means my brain is broken, and im going to be a sub addict for life.

its not that i dont have ant interest u=in yioutr words atall., I ralise phenaz is a witched brew. i cant obtain a regular supply of ehat i kinoiw for sure toi be diaz. That leaves me stuck with etizolam. Thatll do me fine for as few months while i chip away at tapring it.

you can start pretty rapid reductions yeahl like reduce by 1 pill every day, or 1 a week at least, or jsut play it ny ear.?

sorry if i ignored yhou or was rude to you before alleyn i didnt know who you were.
 
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Rather than badly summarise Ashton's work I'll link to it :-

http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzcha02.htm#13

edit - No worries MDB, powdered Phenaz would be a good thing to avoid. I've little experience of Etiz and I can see the advantages of a reliable cheap supply. Last time I tapered I managed to purchase enough Diaz for the lot in one go as having tablets of a consistent dosage is vital or you will be questioning the strength and taking extra.

Best of luck with it
 
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maybe poedred diaz might be worth looking into (much later on when im doen to like 5mg or something)

etiz feels clean and freash if you know what i mean. It oesnt feel like your mind been poumped full of cement, but still dleivers that anxiolytic feeling for mr. Fuckin incredibkle that iut still delivers tha abuse ive out it thrugh.

most lovged substance atn = etizolam.

im forgetting it for sleep and rtemporarily using very low dose antipsychotics (i know your opijions about that buty believe me any sleep is better than going motre than 3 days withoiut slkeep, by that time id be needing the anti psychotics for real,)
 
What is the half life of Etiz ??

I've no real issue with Anti-psychotics, I've been on fairly low dose Chlorpromazine and it served a purpose for a while, I haven't had experience of any others.

If your finding them of use, fair enough I can't see them being habit forming.
 
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Etizolam, a thienodiazepine derivative, is absorbed fairly rapidly, with peak plasma levels achieved between 30 minutes and 2 hours, and has a mean elimination half life of about 3 and a half hours.[17] However, its pharmacologically active metabolite alpha-hydroxyetizolam, which has the same potency as etizolam, is eliminated more slowly, with a mean half life of just over 8 hours.
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So overall around nine or ten hours I suppose.
 
Allein said:
cs, I've been on fairly low dose Chlorpromazine and it served a purpose for a while, .
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does it hekp you sleep at 25mg doses rather than the 1000 mg they give to the scarily uncontrallable people going through a psychotic epoisode ?

i think i tried 25mg before and it worked well, bye everyone scared me off them/ I think on this occassion however needs must. Its either that or a bottle of vodka am c=very sure id prfer not to to the vodka. Bleurgh.
 
knock said:
So overall around nine or ten hours I suppose.
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About the same as Xanax then ? but I get the feeling it would be a better bet than Xanax for tapering.

mydrugbuddy said:
does it hekp you sleep at 25mg doses rather than the 1000 mg they give to the scarily uncontrallable people going through a psychotic epoisode ?

i think i tried 25mg before and it worked well, bye everyone scared me off them/ I think on this occassion however needs must. Its either that or a bottle of vodka am c=very sure id prfer not to to the vodka. Bleurgh.
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I was taking 50mg at a time but it didn't help me with sleep but I can see how it might, I really didn't care for the stuff TBH but it definitely helped me for a while by just giving me a break from myself and all my shite.

At those kind of doses you'll soon know if your not getting any benefit from it and it seemed to get out of my system within a day or so.
 
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