The State of the UK

[The Liberal Media]

Yeah thats the Badiner book, i like it a lot.

The new cutting edge of Buddhism and Science and Mind is Alan Wallace. All his books are awesome. Well worth reading

Btw the story about ram dass and the acid can be found on the dvd of "Timothy leary lives" on the extras section, in visual form at least

Terrific dvd !
I fucking love acid, its done so much for me

 

[Ismene]

Nice pic RLP :D

 

[Ismene]

Yeah thats the Badiner book, i like it a lot.

The new cutting edge of Buddhism and Science and Mind is Alan Wallace. All his books are awesome. Well worth reading

Was it Zig Zag zen? I was pretty disappointed with that one - all the buddhists were droning on about "Yeah, psychedelics are allright for beginners but if I sit on my arse on a really hard wooden bench for 5 hours going "OM" I feel much, much better you know".

I'll have a skem at wallace

 

[The Liberal Media]

Wallace is fantastic.
His translation of "Natural Liberation" blew me away

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Liberation-Padmasambhavas-Teachings-Bardos/dp/0861711319

Bit tough for a beginner, but if you know a bit bout Dzogchen or Nyingma its fine to read

 

[Vurtual]

I'll add another few to the 'have friends who are muslim and like tripping' pile. One's persian and has told me of loads of his friends out there (in the 70s-80s) who would go out to the desert and take acid with him (obviously young and urban types)- He also told there was lots of the older generation who would smoke opium and dope. He wasn't particularly devout, but was muslim, albeit sufi muslim - sufi islam itself has long use of cannabis (among other methods) as a psychedelic to get into mystical states.

Though a bit of an amorphous term, I like a lot of sufi islam (we've surely all loved nasrudin and co?); it's generally a mellower, more tolerant and mystical form - I know it's not mainstream islam, but it had a big influence in their history (dominated the caliphate at one point); and i've heard it said that the majority of muslims in the world describe themselves as sufi muslims, so you've got to count them too if you want to categorise 'islam'. (similar to dissing quakers if you want to diss all christians)

 

[Mailmonkey]

I've only read the start and finish of this thread.

I had a lot of Iranian friends, and kurds, all mainly refugees in Coventry. I'd say all of them would describe themselves as good Muslims.

And all of them were happy to share fucking lovely food, and opium with me.

Don't think any of them post here. Probably been deported by now

 

[specialspack]

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Raasyvibe]

beat me to it . whats does brown mean , is he on that as well ?

or so pissed he can't do the colours right

lol, sorry. I was having a cigarette as I started the post. (this determines the browny-red...sorry forgot to explain this)


Let's try again:

I have refrained from political discussion on this forum for a long time, but I am very worried about the state of the UK and where we are going given the recent announcements of more cuts whilst foreign aid is increased by 8% and a blackout of any EU referendum.

Let me say straight away I'm not racist, but I don't think mosques look right on this country's landscape. It's not right that there are millions and million..... etc etc

I agree that we're all human, race, religion or nationality regardless, and should accept all others who share our country.

The Islam bombers are extremists, and not representative to the rest of the honest followers, who want to remain in our country yet have the freedom to express their religious heritage. Attributing the vile minority to every Muslim does come across racist.

Also, remember there are genuine reasons (particularly economic) why people migrate to this country. So consideration for what is going on in the world, and how the recession has really hurt other countries... should be of our foremost attention... before the "We like our football, curries", and "I Don't like seeing mosques in our land" rants. The post does read ignorantly, and disrespect towards humanity in this respect

I appreciate racism is a very sensitive subject - though I still think the OP should not be entirely discredited - and a lot of people are quick to slap on the "racist" label before considering what he is saying.

A real problem is that - some foreigners come over here because they cannot get jobs in their own countries. But the "economic crisis" reason comes as a convenient excuse. Really, they cannot get jobs because they are simply incompetent, unfriendly people, who have ruined their reputation in their own country and come here to get away.

We essentially (at times, not in every case) take the "spill over", of people unwanted in their own countries. This is very real and something I have personally witnessed.

At work, we had a Romanian worker, and he was horrible. Ripped off customers... stole from work etc etc until we fired him. He treated the country and everyone in it with utter contempt... Seems wrong that my hard earned tax money is supporting these people, or as the OP aforementioned; they take work off people in our country. These are real issues that need to be considered.

So: We should respect and accommodate all people regardless of race, nationality, religion... But there are genuine issues that need to be taken into consideration when our country, and particularly it's welfare system is taken advantage of.






That's me done for tonight. Fuck that shit. It's time for some Gin, Tropicana Pineapple Juice and my snoop doggy dogg CD...oooh yeah

 

[Shambles]

Yeah but nations, areas of lands, whatever you want to call them have different cultures, different traditions, different ideas about pretty much everything

They really don't actually.

Almost... nothing

Why would there be? It really is all the same/. You do know that at least, yes? You could choose not peek to far - or could choose a loooong peeky *peeky, peeky*

Fairly sure you'll always see the same though: we're all the same The rest is mostly taken up by comparing napkin folding techniques

You mention chinese medicine to me and I'll go "What a load of cruel, deranged bollocks" - largely because I'm not chinese and I wasn't brought up with the chinese medicine culture. If I'd been brought up in Shanghai I'd probably think "yeah, it's not getting stiff, get me some rhino horn!"

You will of course go "Blah-de-Blah-de-Bollocks" Cos it all just whizzes along and you can get a bit drunk and use all the Bad Words you wish. Have at it. Have a nig-nog on me. Perhaps a cheeky bit of Paki on the side? Why not. Is yum.

Did you say something about children somewhere? Scabby lil urchins there were. Horrid really. Except for that thing that happened that was just a nice thing. Just for a second. Was nice though. Wouldn't have been a nice thing at all. Barely even register such a thing as being a thing

Does register as a thing though. At least for you: here, just there. Or there? Or where? Who cares? Probably time to swap moustaches and learn swears you'd never sworn before again soon enough

Aren't you glad you spotted that nice thing today?

Tomorrow might be even better. But probably not.

But might be

Will tell you when tomorrow comes

 

[Crack4Lyfe]

I think you'll find it's white Britons who get the lion's share of state handouts.Many immigrants are doing jobs that Britons would not want to do. Have you read Two Caravans by Marina Lewycka? It's fiction, but has a solid grounding in fact.

Is fiction the one that's real or made up? Always get confused between 2

 

[Ismene]

You will of course go "Blah-de-Blah-de-Bollocks" Cos it all just whizzes along and you can get a bit drunk and use all the Bad Words you wish. Have at it.

Thanking you shammy :D

We're all individuals! - "I'm not"...

Anyway, have you ordered your AL-LAD yet?

 

[Ismene]

I had a lot of Iranian friends, and kurds, all mainly refugees in Coventry. I'd say all of them would describe themselves as good Muslims.

Yeah I'm sure they exist - the saudi princes and playboys in Knightsbridge get up to all sorts I'm sure.

But I guess it would be nice to find one on the board tho instead of debating it between ourselves.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

There's not a single rasta in the Henry thread either Ismene. But I don't think you're going to be drawing any inference between rastas and not smoking dope. Some muslims take psychedelics whether you believe it or not. And of course they have a culture and particularly a religion that might minimize their numbers doing so but nothing is absolute. The USA is full of Christians with their bible against and war on drugs. But they still have crystal meth rituals at 18 that defy that too.

World ain't black and white no matter what religion or ideology tries to say it is.

And proportionally, there are far more women drug users in this country than appear on the EADD board. It doesn't mean girls don't do drugs. It means such internet forums are traditionally dominated by white middle-class boys. 40% of the working class in this country don't even have a PC.

And I promise you (because I did it myself last night) - google muslims + LSD/psychedelics and you DO get some pretty interesting discussion from muslims who do acid etc. Yes, yes, as well as all the Koran hogshit too.

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

One's persian

iranian somehow doesnt carry the same sense of harmless mystique does it?

has told me of loads of his friends out there (in the 70s-80s) who would go out to the desert and take acid with him (obviously young and urban types)- He also told there was lots of the older generation who would smoke opium and dope. He wasn't particularly devout, but was muslim, albeit sufi muslim - sufi islam itself has long use of cannabis (among other methods) as a psychedelic to get into mystical states

yes

Though a bit of an amorphous term, I like a lot of sufi islam it's generally a mellower, more tolerant and mystical form

yeah sufiism is cool, their mystical adepts can read the mind, or so they say

i've heard it said that the majority of muslims in the world describe themselves as sufis

..not so sure about that. the 'we're sufi descended' tends to be one of those youthful exaggerations akin to 'im actually a princess yknow'

 

[jancrow]

40% of the working class in this country don't even have a PC.

They can afford Macs? No wonder the government are cutting their benefits, about ruddy time too, I say.

 

[Mailmonkey]

Yeah I'm sure they exist - the saudi princes and playboys in Knightsbridge get up to all sorts I'm sure.

No the ones I knew in Coventry were exclusively seeking asylum, or had refugee status. Not a prince or a king there for sure.

It would be nice to see a bit more colour here.

Like the crowd at Glastonbury. A sea of white faces.

 

[Ismene]

There's not a single rasta in the Henry thread either Ismene. But I don't think you're going to be drawing any inference between rastas and not smoking dope.

Again that's a different thing shm, if you're doing it simply because your religion tells you to then it's about as interesting to me as someone not taking drugs because their religion tells them not to.

I'm interested in people taking drugs because it's their own personal interest - not because it's ingrained in their culture. Taking LSD isn't ingrained in my culture - I became interested on my own. That's the kind of drug-taking I find interesting.

It means such internet forums are traditionally dominated by white middle-class boys.

True, but I think there's plenty of middle class asian boys too. I'm still puzzling why we can't find one on here. We've got plenty of women.

google muslims + LSD/psychedelics and you DO get some pretty interesting discussion from muslims who do acid

I've just done it and it's not looking massively encouraging. Google doesn't work for me I'm on "ask jeeves". Apparantly a muslim is writing a book called "Tripping with Allah" about him taking ayahusca.

 

[Ismene]

No the ones I knew in Coventry were exclusively seeking asylum, or had refugee status. Not a prince or a king there for sure.

I was meaning that there are plenty of strict muslims who do things you wouldn't expect muslims to do.

A sea of white faces.

True, is it simply that asians don't have access to the internet or is it a cultural thing?

 

[Vurtual]

iranian somehow doesnt carry the same sense of harmless mystique does it?




yes



yeah sufiism is cool, their mystical adepts can read the mind, or so they say



..not so sure about that. the 'we're sufi descended' tends to be one of those youthful exaggerations akin to 'im actually a princess yknow'

Persian is how he describes himself (i forgot to put iranian in as well)

Yeah, on the sufi numbers, i put 'i've heard it said...' because i never really looked it up, but do remember it being said on the telly a few times - a very cursory google (or start page) now didn't find it. I always assumed sufi in the modern sense was a bit of a catch-all term for any muslims that lived off the beaten track and just adapted islam as they went further from 'proper' muslim regions (and naturally made it a bit more tolerant/mystical, cos you would wouldn't you). Self-described sufi muslims are a definite thing though - i seen a geezer from a sufi islam organisation on that sunday 'big questions' show (he said the thing about most muslims being sufi, though i did hear it before) - not to mention my iranian mate, whose whole family described themselves as sufi muslims (and from him i first learned sufis were actually muslim).

I do get irritated with the now mainstream anti-muslim bollocks, which groups all muslims together with the worst of the salafist/wahabi types - granted those types are prominent, but largely because we and our despotic allies have funneled money into them to create a new baddie to replace the red terror. It saddens me that more people don't see the parallels between how muslimns are treated now with how jews were treated in past times - especially when it's usually the types who like to bang on about churchill saving us from fascists...

 

[Ismene]

I'm not too keen on the "my religion is slightly better than your religion" interpretation tho. Chris Hitchens goes into a discussion of it in his book "God is not great". They're all utterly deranged.