junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
i tend to kind of binge on the stuff for about a week solid i've noticed no bad effects after stopping using after a week or a bit more.
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The Lyrica ( Pregabalin) Discussion Thread
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TRYINGTOKICKIT
Bluelighter
So do you think it would be ok to switch every week from Pregabalin to gabapentin. I think I am past the acute withdraw phase and now going into PAWS. Both of them help a lot with almost all symptoms I am having. I just dont want to detox from that.
TRYINGTOKICKIT
Bluelighter
I can't find a good doctor. The best I could find was a seventy year old guy that I have to tell him what I think I need. I am sure most people would love this but I want to be off all meds if possible. So he is too old school to know (even pregabalin and gabapentin) about todays meds. I cant find a new doctor either because it cost too much.
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
its cheap as to find a new doctor,just ask to see another doctor when you book your next appointment.you have to be on long term pain management for a doctor to suggest for you to try lyrica.well in my case anyways and for your previous comment i cant really tell you to go ahead and do what you suggested im not to familiar with the WD side of lyrica and those drugs plus im no doctor so i dont really feel comfortable to tell you to do it or not sorry
Thanks for your concern JS, I only just saw your post. I was very surprised the withdrawal was so bad. I expected it to hurt, but not so much! 4g a day is a lot to come off though. Now it's on the PBS I am a little tempted to have another try. $75 a day was a lot of money. Thankfully the memories of WD are still pretty fresh so I can't see myself going back.
I feel fine now, completely back to normal. I still get quite anxious and restless at times but I think that has more to do with quitting valium cold turkey (under drs advice, reduced to 10mg a day first)
I was in the bloody mental health ward when I was withdrawing from Lyrica, oxycontin and codeine. I started my valium reduction there too, it was a horrible experience. The Drs there didn't care to be honest, they saw it all as self inflicted. They only increased my valium dose after the second Lyrica seizure. Funny thing is I bought my Lyrica with me to ED, a whole box of 300mg. It was put with my belongings at MHU. When the withdrawal got bad enough, I asked the nurse for access and was refused, the next day my Dr threw them out in front of me. I had them for legit reasons and the box was worth over $150!! I was pretty dam angry.
I am being case managed so have a new Psychiatrist and a new GP. They both think that I was actually suffering from serotonin syndrome and not a psychosis. LSD Friday, DXM Sunday, and Meth (ice) on Monday. I'm off all the antipsychotics now thankfully. Starting to get some energy back!
I feel fine now, completely back to normal. I still get quite anxious and restless at times but I think that has more to do with quitting valium cold turkey (under drs advice, reduced to 10mg a day first)
I was in the bloody mental health ward when I was withdrawing from Lyrica, oxycontin and codeine. I started my valium reduction there too, it was a horrible experience. The Drs there didn't care to be honest, they saw it all as self inflicted. They only increased my valium dose after the second Lyrica seizure. Funny thing is I bought my Lyrica with me to ED, a whole box of 300mg. It was put with my belongings at MHU. When the withdrawal got bad enough, I asked the nurse for access and was refused, the next day my Dr threw them out in front of me. I had them for legit reasons and the box was worth over $150!! I was pretty dam angry.
I am being case managed so have a new Psychiatrist and a new GP. They both think that I was actually suffering from serotonin syndrome and not a psychosis. LSD Friday, DXM Sunday, and Meth (ice) on Monday. I'm off all the antipsychotics now thankfully. Starting to get some energy back!
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
wow man sounds like your going through some full on shit i hope your ok 8( im glad your past the worst bit trust me i know what its like to WD from GABA type drugs i was WD'ing from clonazapam for about 6 weeks it was fucking hell!
im not really surprised that the WD from lyrica is quite bad cuz it acts on the same receptors that benzos do and we all know that benzo WD's are on par or even worse than opiate WD's.4 grams a day is alot to take tho the most i'll have in a night would be 2.5grams and that would be for no longer than a week.
yeah would be fuckin awful in a mental ward going through WD's doctors treat u like trash and look down on you its a fucking joke if your that uncomfortable to ask for drugs they should give you soomthing to ease the WDs
Hello to all. I was prescribed lyrica for nerve pain following an injury. I have suffered severe GAD for decades. I have used anti depressants and Valium since 1996. So while stuck at home recovering, I noticed my anxiety was bad. I thought the lyrica may have increased it. Dosage was 75mg 2/day. My search found the side effect of larger dosages alleviating GAD. So I did 3 x 75 seemed to have had a significant positive impact for GAD. I have not heard about recreational use. So I am moving to 150mg tablets and will experiment with a dosage of 6 tablets in one hit. I will also try snorting - thinking starting with 300 mg...
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
i find you have to dose pretty big for decent effects around the 900mg mark (this is for me im not saying you go ahead and do that but yeah) i also found out by emptying the capsuals into a peice of toilet paper then swallowing makes a quicker onset stronger high and shorter duration.recently i have been adding 3 75mg caps to my oxy bomb really helps it along.
me and my friend who take high dose lyrica have found it gives dissociative effects,we've both experienced the same effect.after a doof we have take a very large dose and when we close our eyes we are back at the doof talking to people who are not there.heaps of fuckin fun lol
me and my friend who take high dose lyrica have found it gives dissociative effects,we've both experienced the same effect.after a doof we have take a very large dose and when we close our eyes we are back at the doof talking to people who are not there.heaps of fuckin fun lol
p-man
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The only time I took a high dose is one night when I was bored, I think it was around 1200mg. Felt nothing, fell asleep and when I woke up I couldn't walk properly. I freaked out a little, but when I look back on it now it was pretty funny lol
Also. Is lyrica on PBS now?
poledriver
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Yes it is.
Just got given a few, 150's? had a few n some beers, happy and bit wobbly.
I read here that somebody thinks that pregabalin attaches to the GABA receptors and that that explains it's action, but this is not true the only thing i can say about GABA receptors and pregabalin is that i believe in vivo experiments showed a higher density of GABA receptors with prolonged use of pregabalin.
Well a more dense GABA receptor complex might explain why pregabalin combined with a benzo makes the benzo five times or so stronger whereas pregabalin itself certainly does not attach to GABA receptors also not to benzo receptors on the GABA complex also not on GHB receptors nothing like that, but what it does do the pregabalin is hitting voltage related sodium chanells i thought, correct me if i am wrong please, this then again lowers the amount of excitatory neurotransmitters like glutamate, not adrenaline, substance P and i bet a few more neurotransmitters.
The buzz from lyrica disappears in two days taking a high dose like say 900 mg day one and 1200 mg day two makes day 3 a near impossibility to feel like you did at day one, but what pregabalin keeps doing every single day again in the same strength is potentating everything else i take so especially my benzo, but also my methadone get potentiated so when above somewhere i complained about lyrica withdrawals this was not compeltely true, because what i withdrew from was the non existent potentating when i completely forgot to take my 600 mg as usual every day at 9.30 together with 75 mg oxazepam.
Behind more then a year and a half now i am still not lyrica dependent, but used to the potentating i surely am. I have a high benzo tolerance, but feeling nothing at all from 5 mg xanax that i didn't understand until forgetting the lyrica occurred to me so i take it and when i did about an hour and a half before the rest then 3.5 mg xanax are more then enough.
I know a lot of stuff about my own meds, but i need some advice anyway so is there anybody who can give me an idea howlong it takes before i become xanax dependent taking on average 3 mg a day?
I do know when i started benzo's in 1987 that it would take months before a little dependency occurred, but i am benzo tolerant already so just like with every being opiate dependent and you manage to get rid of it then using an opiate for 3-4 days will make you feel unpleasant by day five without the opiate so i think benzo tolerance might work roughly on the same way maybe a bit slower then opiates, but i am sure anybody here can give me an idea about xanax dependency preferably coming from somebody who does not take other substances, except for benzo's whereas every experience is very welcome and i already thank you upfront for an answer.
Before i bounced into a shitload of xanax i only took 75 mg oxazepam and 30-50 mg tranxene two two combined roughly equal 50 mg diazepam, but i was thinking to go see my doctor who refused me to continue my previous diazepam script stating that i fucked myself over and have a 6 mg xanax dependency so that amount equals 120 mg diazepam an amount not many doctors would write for, but if she gives me a chance to get rid of the xanax trough a say 6 week diazepam taper then i will do exactly that, except if i find out not to be xanax dependent yet so therefore an idea please.
A problem with a benzo like xanax is, its called alprazolam so its not a 'pam', that its a type of benzo called a triazolo benzo whereas clonazepam is an 1.4 benzo just like diazepam so if needed clonazepam can in one go fully be replaced by diazepam, but not xanax this benzo slowly has to go out whwile the diazepam slowly comes in until you have only diazepam to taper with left from there it cold take a while, but when you want to become benzo free then it can be done even in spite of my old shrink who calls getting rid of a benzo as one of the hardest things somebody can do.
I dont know about that, i mean i am a wuss when it comes to opiate withdrawal so since i am not plagued by anxiety to start with will make a diazepam taper not too hard until i reached lets say 10 mg diazepam a day and to leave it there, but a benzo taper for people who do get plagued by anxiety or even panic attacks who are a heavier form of anxiety xanax works very well for those matters and seems to keep acting a little while longer then other benzo's so what i find weird is that in the US a xanax dose of 10 mg a day in total is not uncommon, but getting the equivalent 200 mg diazepam this benzo puts into the scale then nobody will write for that much.
Clonazepam is about equally as strong as alprazolam, but where alprazolam only has an about 12 hour halflifetime clonazepam has a 50 hour halflifetime so thanks to that decent halflifetime its possible to taper using clonazepam whereas tapering using alprazolam i think its possible to get from a very high dose, say 6 mg, so a more normal dose like 1.5 to 2 mg, but if you reached 1.5 mg and you remove 0.25 mg then you will feel this also the alprazolam with the short halflifetime it often happens that people feel bad in between dosing intervals only almost nobody knows this can happen and take their feeling bad for what it is, but mainly without thinking if the benzo became a problem.
Regarding pregabalin for anxiety at first this can work like a charm, but many people complain that pregabalin seems to 'poop out' behind some months and yes probably so when the anxiety suppression lessens that far. What could be tried in such a case is a higher dose, but if you are getting 600 mg of pregabalin already being the max according to 'them' then getting 900 mg wont be easy to say the least and then to think its not even certain that a higher lyrica dose will work whereas getting a higher benzo dose does work.
When i just received pregabalin i went up in two appointments to 900 mg and when i remember the buzz lyrica gave me well since nothing much can get me buzzed anymore i found the lyrica feeling at 900 mg great so ofcourse i wanted to feel that again and i kept upping the dose until i would take 3,000 mg's of pregabalin a day and still barely feel it so i stopped that madness and decided that from then on i would respect pregabalin like i do and it works well for my purposes.
Not taking lyrica for two days can already make the good feeling show itself again and not using it for a week or even a month like somebody already said you start from scratch again tolerance wise to a buzz dose should work again, but after not taking it for a bigger or lesser while taking more then 900 mg is unneeded maybe 1200 mg is a bit better only doses like that are certainly NOT for anybody who just started this med, however its very hard to overdose on pregabalin alone combining it with other things could be very dangerous in fact so dont do that.
The reason why for me its takes 2.5 hours atleast before i feel the pregabalin starting to work is that everyday again the med has to lower the amount of excitatory neurotransmitters and before you feel something nice from that time has to pass so what i do is always taking lyrica an hour before my other meds being 160 mg methadone, 300 mg seroquel i dont really need and the 600 mg pregabalin plus the benzo's. Lyrica also potentiates alcohol, ofcourse, so in any case if you had lyrica dont drive, because you may think you are superman until that tree you didn't see well i dont have to continue right.
Create stashes of your needed meds people so that you dont become dependent from seeing 'the man' only to feel better pill wise, because i am not simple and trying to save up something more powdery that is impossible, but i remember very well when i was dependent from 'the man' in the nineties and when for some reason he didn't open his door i felt even sicker, because i could smell the smell from heroin at his door so i was very near to relief and at the same time i could had bin on Antarctica.
Anyway enough said sorry for that i am so long winded often, but i like to be clear and if i have to type an hour almost to become clear, hopefully, then that is what ai do.
Well a more dense GABA receptor complex might explain why pregabalin combined with a benzo makes the benzo five times or so stronger whereas pregabalin itself certainly does not attach to GABA receptors also not to benzo receptors on the GABA complex also not on GHB receptors nothing like that, but what it does do the pregabalin is hitting voltage related sodium chanells i thought, correct me if i am wrong please, this then again lowers the amount of excitatory neurotransmitters like glutamate, not adrenaline, substance P and i bet a few more neurotransmitters.
The buzz from lyrica disappears in two days taking a high dose like say 900 mg day one and 1200 mg day two makes day 3 a near impossibility to feel like you did at day one, but what pregabalin keeps doing every single day again in the same strength is potentating everything else i take so especially my benzo, but also my methadone get potentiated so when above somewhere i complained about lyrica withdrawals this was not compeltely true, because what i withdrew from was the non existent potentating when i completely forgot to take my 600 mg as usual every day at 9.30 together with 75 mg oxazepam.
Behind more then a year and a half now i am still not lyrica dependent, but used to the potentating i surely am. I have a high benzo tolerance, but feeling nothing at all from 5 mg xanax that i didn't understand until forgetting the lyrica occurred to me so i take it and when i did about an hour and a half before the rest then 3.5 mg xanax are more then enough.
I know a lot of stuff about my own meds, but i need some advice anyway so is there anybody who can give me an idea howlong it takes before i become xanax dependent taking on average 3 mg a day?
I do know when i started benzo's in 1987 that it would take months before a little dependency occurred, but i am benzo tolerant already so just like with every being opiate dependent and you manage to get rid of it then using an opiate for 3-4 days will make you feel unpleasant by day five without the opiate so i think benzo tolerance might work roughly on the same way maybe a bit slower then opiates, but i am sure anybody here can give me an idea about xanax dependency preferably coming from somebody who does not take other substances, except for benzo's whereas every experience is very welcome and i already thank you upfront for an answer.
Before i bounced into a shitload of xanax i only took 75 mg oxazepam and 30-50 mg tranxene two two combined roughly equal 50 mg diazepam, but i was thinking to go see my doctor who refused me to continue my previous diazepam script stating that i fucked myself over and have a 6 mg xanax dependency so that amount equals 120 mg diazepam an amount not many doctors would write for, but if she gives me a chance to get rid of the xanax trough a say 6 week diazepam taper then i will do exactly that, except if i find out not to be xanax dependent yet so therefore an idea please.
A problem with a benzo like xanax is, its called alprazolam so its not a 'pam', that its a type of benzo called a triazolo benzo whereas clonazepam is an 1.4 benzo just like diazepam so if needed clonazepam can in one go fully be replaced by diazepam, but not xanax this benzo slowly has to go out whwile the diazepam slowly comes in until you have only diazepam to taper with left from there it cold take a while, but when you want to become benzo free then it can be done even in spite of my old shrink who calls getting rid of a benzo as one of the hardest things somebody can do.
I dont know about that, i mean i am a wuss when it comes to opiate withdrawal so since i am not plagued by anxiety to start with will make a diazepam taper not too hard until i reached lets say 10 mg diazepam a day and to leave it there, but a benzo taper for people who do get plagued by anxiety or even panic attacks who are a heavier form of anxiety xanax works very well for those matters and seems to keep acting a little while longer then other benzo's so what i find weird is that in the US a xanax dose of 10 mg a day in total is not uncommon, but getting the equivalent 200 mg diazepam this benzo puts into the scale then nobody will write for that much.
Clonazepam is about equally as strong as alprazolam, but where alprazolam only has an about 12 hour halflifetime clonazepam has a 50 hour halflifetime so thanks to that decent halflifetime its possible to taper using clonazepam whereas tapering using alprazolam i think its possible to get from a very high dose, say 6 mg, so a more normal dose like 1.5 to 2 mg, but if you reached 1.5 mg and you remove 0.25 mg then you will feel this also the alprazolam with the short halflifetime it often happens that people feel bad in between dosing intervals only almost nobody knows this can happen and take their feeling bad for what it is, but mainly without thinking if the benzo became a problem.
Regarding pregabalin for anxiety at first this can work like a charm, but many people complain that pregabalin seems to 'poop out' behind some months and yes probably so when the anxiety suppression lessens that far. What could be tried in such a case is a higher dose, but if you are getting 600 mg of pregabalin already being the max according to 'them' then getting 900 mg wont be easy to say the least and then to think its not even certain that a higher lyrica dose will work whereas getting a higher benzo dose does work.
When i just received pregabalin i went up in two appointments to 900 mg and when i remember the buzz lyrica gave me well since nothing much can get me buzzed anymore i found the lyrica feeling at 900 mg great so ofcourse i wanted to feel that again and i kept upping the dose until i would take 3,000 mg's of pregabalin a day and still barely feel it so i stopped that madness and decided that from then on i would respect pregabalin like i do and it works well for my purposes.
Not taking lyrica for two days can already make the good feeling show itself again and not using it for a week or even a month like somebody already said you start from scratch again tolerance wise to a buzz dose should work again, but after not taking it for a bigger or lesser while taking more then 900 mg is unneeded maybe 1200 mg is a bit better only doses like that are certainly NOT for anybody who just started this med, however its very hard to overdose on pregabalin alone combining it with other things could be very dangerous in fact so dont do that.
The reason why for me its takes 2.5 hours atleast before i feel the pregabalin starting to work is that everyday again the med has to lower the amount of excitatory neurotransmitters and before you feel something nice from that time has to pass so what i do is always taking lyrica an hour before my other meds being 160 mg methadone, 300 mg seroquel i dont really need and the 600 mg pregabalin plus the benzo's. Lyrica also potentiates alcohol, ofcourse, so in any case if you had lyrica dont drive, because you may think you are superman until that tree you didn't see well i dont have to continue right.
Create stashes of your needed meds people so that you dont become dependent from seeing 'the man' only to feel better pill wise, because i am not simple and trying to save up something more powdery that is impossible, but i remember very well when i was dependent from 'the man' in the nineties and when for some reason he didn't open his door i felt even sicker, because i could smell the smell from heroin at his door so i was very near to relief and at the same time i could had bin on Antarctica.
Anyway enough said sorry for that i am so long winded often, but i like to be clear and if i have to type an hour almost to become clear, hopefully, then that is what ai do.
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
lol fuck holy shit sorry to sound rude but thats gonna take me all day to read 
Haha yeah i know i am too longwinded, but i like to be clear by writing too much maybe what i haveto say will be read better when its short enough like say tn lines.
In the future i will watch for writing too long postings when nobody reads them or else a few people wereas the info i deliver would cost you if you ask questions to the doctor.
Strange these forums in one of them they complain that i write too less and int his forum its more the opposite.
When i reread that long reply more above then i see valuable information useful for a range of people who use substances.
Anyway i dont take it as rude Scumbag when you comment about that too long posting.
In the future i will watch for writing too long postings when nobody reads them or else a few people wereas the info i deliver would cost you if you ask questions to the doctor.
Strange these forums in one of them they complain that i write too less and int his forum its more the opposite.
When i reread that long reply more above then i see valuable information useful for a range of people who use substances.
Anyway i dont take it as rude Scumbag when you comment about that too long posting.
junkie skumbag
Bluelighter
its just me mate dont let me stop you from posting what u wanna write 
rubberduckyjd
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I have only used Lyric once or twice, years ago, and am not the most informed on the drug. However, I looked up the LD50 and it is quite high (5000mg/kg in mice). There is at least one case where an individual has taken close to twenty times the dose you have taken who have survived, though they did go into a coma and required medical care (source).
I don't want to discourage you from seeking medical attention if you are getting symptoms which are consistent with an overdose, it is always better to be safe than sorry in these situations. With that said, unless you have good reason to be worried I don't think 450mg is a particularly high dose. Up to 600mg per day can be prescribed for therapeutic purposes (source), although I assume this is after the patient has had some period to adjust to lower doses. The second source says the symptoms of Lyrica overdose include: "mood changes, feeling tired, confusion, depression, agitation, restlessness or seizures." The website lists shortness of breath as one of the symptoms of allergic reaction, so if you are experiencing this it could be more of a sign of allergic reaction than overdose, in which case it would still be worth seeking medical attention.
Have you taken any other drugs? Particularly sedatives or alcohol? If you have then there is a significantly increased chance that you have taken an overdose. In the absence of poly drug use you probably don't have to be worried if you are not experiencing any of the allergic or overdose symptoms I listed, but if you have taken other substances this could change the effect profile of an overdose and you should probably err on the side of caution and seek help.
I don't want to discourage you from seeking medical attention if you are getting symptoms which are consistent with an overdose, it is always better to be safe than sorry in these situations. With that said, unless you have good reason to be worried I don't think 450mg is a particularly high dose. Up to 600mg per day can be prescribed for therapeutic purposes (source), although I assume this is after the patient has had some period to adjust to lower doses. The second source says the symptoms of Lyrica overdose include: "mood changes, feeling tired, confusion, depression, agitation, restlessness or seizures." The website lists shortness of breath as one of the symptoms of allergic reaction, so if you are experiencing this it could be more of a sign of allergic reaction than overdose, in which case it would still be worth seeking medical attention.
Have you taken any other drugs? Particularly sedatives or alcohol? If you have then there is a significantly increased chance that you have taken an overdose. In the absence of poly drug use you probably don't have to be worried if you are not experiencing any of the allergic or overdose symptoms I listed, but if you have taken other substances this could change the effect profile of an overdose and you should probably err on the side of caution and seek help.
zephyr
Ex-Bluelighter
I am prescribed lyrica for a burst disc. I have read many discussions about it being linked to horrible depression and suicidal thoughts, especially in combination with effexor, which I take 150mg daily.
I read more about lyrica after noticing I did have really horrible bad thoughts after taking it. I have not had these thoughts in years. So I believe it is the cause of these thoughts and its a pity because lyrica is really good with nerve pain.
At least I know that these suicidal thoughts are not real and caused by medication interraction so a couple of valium helps as does putting the thoughts to one side.
Anyone taking effexor and lyrica need to know it can make you feel suicidal.
I read more about lyrica after noticing I did have really horrible bad thoughts after taking it. I have not had these thoughts in years. So I believe it is the cause of these thoughts and its a pity because lyrica is really good with nerve pain.
At least I know that these suicidal thoughts are not real and caused by medication interraction so a couple of valium helps as does putting the thoughts to one side.
Anyone taking effexor and lyrica need to know it can make you feel suicidal.
poledriver
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A few people I know who used Lyrica for a while found they also gained a fair bit of weight.