The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[a tree]

@Okami: I dont think so. A friend of mine also consumed some of it and he was within the normal dose-range. I cant be sure that its been exactly 4mg because i dont think my scale is that accurate at these low doses (thats why i asked for its stability in ethanolic solution) , but i dont belive that its been more than 5mg.
And i wasnt on a fully developed trip, but its been definetly more than just a mood-lift. There were slight visual distortions such as geometric patterns on the carpet and enhanced colours. Jaws were tight most of the time and at around five hours my legs got a bit restless. In general i would say a light ++ for the plateau which lasted for six or seven hours.

Normally i dose Tryptamines in the "light"-dose to get a full trip.

 

[Morkin]

Wow, 4mg for a trip is economy!

 

[sh1va]

Do you guys know if body weight affects dosage? I know it does with some compounds, but not with others (mdma etc), I'm a pretty small dude, probably gunna drop 30mg tomorrow morning but I don't want it being tooooooo intense for a first experience..
Cheers!

 

[Transform]

I expect body weight will have some effect but no more than it does for MDMA, certainly not enough to make 30mg too much. Enjoy!

 

[Morkin]

Do you guys know if body weight affects dosage? I know it does with some compounds, but not with others (mdma etc), I'm a pretty small dude, probably gunna drop 30mg tomorrow morning but I don't want it being tooooooo intense for a first experience..
Cheers!

Well?
Interested to know how this went... thanks

 

[MrPorter]

I've seen a lot of variation on dosages. Some early on in the thread suggest 60+mg, while erowid and some posters say 40mg is enough. Is there a general consensus on a trippy, visual dose with less of the low-dose negative effects.
Also, redosing can be dodgy because of it's long come-up duration but would it be safe to say add the original dose again on top after like 3h? So one would dose 0.5x the above suggested dose above and then at T3:00 the same again?

I see about 2/3 of people get nauseous on the comeup, how bad is this compared to say an mdma comeup?
Is it common to actually chunder on come up or is it just the sensation?
Is Ondansetron OTC in the UK? Safe with aMT? Useful with aMT? Any alternatives? Timing etc?
Are the shits common with aMT? I've only really seen it mentioned in the more recent posts.
We'll be camping so clearly shits would be more than annoying, anything stops this pretty well?

 

[Thanatos]

I have access to the succinate salt of aMT. does anyone know what the dose would be? The supplier said it would come as a brown powder and is less potent than the typical freebase or salt. Any help would be awesome!

 

[Solipsis]

If it is really the succinate, since it is diprotic it would be (H⁺-AMT)₂Suc^2- : for every 174.2 g/mol AMT there is 1/2 Succinate @ 116 g/mol.... so at 1/2 that is 58 --> 75% of your product is actually freebase AMT compared to pure freebase so your dose should be 133% as high.

If instead it is the hemisuccinate, making (H⁺-AMT)Suc^- : for every 174.2 g/mol AMT there is 117 g/mol Suc --> 60% of your product is freebase AMT compared to pure freebase so your dose should be 167% as high.

 

[Thanatos]

Wow, that is extremely impotent. Thanks for doing the molar math for me solipsis, I'm not very good at math at all. If the price is right do you think it would be a worthwhile investment? I'd rather not pay freebase prices for 65-70% potency product.
Could the succinate salt effect the experience at all? I have no idea how to convert a succinate salt to a freebase, it's not a salt I've ever encountered as far as rc's ate concerned.

 

[Solipsis]

The entire thing is the salt, the succinate is the anion part of the salt.

While the succinate / succinic acid (they are in equilibrium once they hit the body and get in solution) is not psychoactive in its own right, this form could change the rate of absorption creating different pharmacokinetics which can feel different subjectively.
Such a thing is mostly relevant / significant with drugs that act fast with a modest duration. AMT is not really such a drug so the pharmacokinetic differences would not have that much impact.

I'd say no it does not really matter and it would be kind of a waste of money unless you are planning to store it in harsh conditions that would make the freebase scream for his mommy.

Just invest the money you were planning on wasting on some dessiccant packs and a nice mini version of a mason jar, or one of those self vacuum pulling containers. If you don't have that stuff already, that is.

Proper storage materials should hold the freebase over, and other stuff in the future as well of course. Check the storage thread if you hadn't done so already.

Freebasing the succinate would work pretty much the same as the HCl, I think. Just with ammonia or baking soda and scooping the floating base off the top.
Or doing an A/B extraction type thingy like with DMT, then recrystallizing from non-polar solvent.

 

[Transform]

Succinates generally don't have marvellous solubility but they are pretty stable. It would probably be smart to pre-dissolve before dosing in case it took longer than normal to be absorbed.

 

[TryptamineBunny]

Freebasing the succinate would work pretty much the same as the HCl, I think. Just with ammonia or baking soda and scooping the floating base off the top.
Or doing an A/B extraction type thingy like with DMT, then recrystallizing from non-polar solvent.

I tried this using sodium carb and NaOH with naptha as the np solvent, but nothing moved into the naptha. There was a brown oily residue that stuck between the layers, but nowhere near enough to account for the salt dissolved. Searched around and found nothing. Any extra information would be welcomed.

 

[Solipsis]

Hm not sure about this but I think:

If the pH is pushed significantly above the pKb (if I'm not mistaken) of the AMT succinate then it should turn into freebase AMT, at least if the AMT succinate was dissolved first otherwise protonic transactions will be happening at a rate too slowly (and apparently it does not dissolve all that great).
Point is: adding enough lye by itself would do that, the carbonate suggestion was mostly for the crack tek - not sure if it matters very much but it probably didn't help to keep it from getting messy.
But: the lye needs to get into contact with the AMT to be able to freebase it. Which is done by dissolving / shaking / swirling.

If you get an brown oily layer that may either indicate that it was not yet properly converted to the freebase (I would find that pretty unlikely), or that you did not shake your separatory funnel enough to allow the freebase to dissolve in the naphtha (may also not be likely), or that AMT freebase does not dissolve well in naphtha in the first place.
It is after all a primary amine, not a tertiary amine like DMT.

If you can isolate the oily brown layer that may very well just be your freebase (Depends a little if at any point the AMT was fully dissolved).
Make sure there is very little water left, I hope you have a separatory funnel.
You could try dissolving the oily layer in a more easy solvent (not sure which, maybe acetone or choloroform) and drying out the water over a desiccant like magnesium sulfate, sodium sulfate or maybe calcium chloride), then filtering and evaporating the volatile solvents.

Sounds a bit gunky, you may want to recrystallize, check the Rhodium archive for re-X mixtures, there mostly the acetate and other salts are mentioned, I am not sure if this will work well with the freebase like it does with DMT.

 

[TryptamineBunny]

^^ Thanks so much for the response Solipsis. I did my experiment in a small 10ml vial using about 150mg of amt salt which dissolved quite well in warm water. Nothing moved into the naphtha layer at all, so I concluded it wasnt soluble in this solvent.

I will have a look at rhodium as you suggest...

 

[Solipsis]

Ah, so you can suck up the water from under it with a needle?

 

[TryptamineBunny]

Ah, so you can suck up the water from under it with a needle?

I use a pipette for separating layers. The oily residue which formed between the water layers seemed to difficult to get to however and i threw the results away. However it did dissolve in acetone. Perhaps I should have evaporated the acetone and seen what remained, but due to a lack of confidence in the process, i just used the acetone to clean the vial.

When i first added the freebasing solution, i got a a cloudy white precipitation indicating the process was working, but this just seemed to redissolve after time. The small amount of brown oil didnt convine me the process had worked, perhaps that was my mistake.

I can easily purchase the freebase for smoking purposes, but Im the kind of person who cares more about knowledge than the high, hence trying to do the freebasing myself. The problem with trying to search for information on this process is the huge number of hits for the reverse process, the conversion of the freebase to a salt.

 

[Jackpothead]

Hey there, i just found out about aMT and the reports make it seem like a really fun drug to do at parties which is the only place i like to do them.

The problem is that i'm on prescribed sertraline (100mg per day). How would this affect the trip? Would it remove the "feel good" part?

Would be cool to get an informed answer on this, either from persinal experience or in-depth chemistry knowledge. Cheers!

 

[Morpheus19]

Hey there, i just found out about aMT and the reports make it seem like a really fun drug to do at parties which is the only place i like to do them.

The problem is that i'm on prescribed sertraline (100mg per day). How would this affect the trip? Would it remove the "feel good" part?

Would be cool to get an informed answer on this, either from persinal experience or in-depth chemistry knowledge. Cheers!

It would certainly reduce much of the serotonin-fun amt can provide, this applies to the releasing part and the 5ht2a-agonist part.

 

[Solipsis]

It could be dangerous since aMT is a MAOI even if it is a weak one. Apparently people have gotten away with the combination but it can be harmful and this is not very predictable.

I would avoid if you care about your health.

Google the following query:

 site:bluelight.ru amt ssri interaction

 

[Doperide]

Got some AMT from the vendor, that has been around quite a long time. It`s white, very fine powder that sticks to the bag. It has virtually no smell.
The problem is, it`s not active. Tried vaporizing 20 mg, it vaporizes well and gives a lot of smoke. The smoke isn`t harsh at all and has a distinct but not unpleasant taste.
I got 3-4 lungfuls of smoke from this 20mg. Waited for half an hour and vaporized 10mg. Then ingested 30 mg. Problem is I didn`t feel a thing.

At first i thought that the problem is seroquel, i have been taking it for sleep for two years daily. That being said, all other drugs have worked well for me thus far.

Then two of my friends had same doses, total of 60 mg and they didn`t feel a thing too. One had little pupil dilation, but no effects felt.

Have tried it multple times without success

*no ID questions allowed, read the rules*

I waited so long for this and i`m utterly dissapointed now.