The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Okami]

yeah man just go for 40!

No reason not to. It'll definately still be pretty intense.

 

[Jackpothead]

Yeah, so i went ahead with the 50mg dose and it was indeed a little overwhelming, since I was in a party the amount of thoughts, visuals, sounds invading my head pretty much prevented me from reacting socially, and just left me in a contemplating state apart from the sporadic urges to dance.

First psychedelic experience for me and what i take from it is that your dark thoughts become darker and your good thoughts become better aswell, the night was mostly filled with negative thoughts that i can link to my everyday state of being, but nothing i couldnt cope with, and i guess it was kind of a release aswell. I feel really serene today.

Duration was quite lower than expected, like 3/3 hours of stimulation/psychedelia. Also the stimulation part felt nothing like MDMA, it didn't make me want to socialize, it did put a smile on my face but in a more egotistical way.

All in all quite a powerful experience. Funny in retrospective. Would probably be best in a calmer more comfortable setting. But no regrets really.

 

[johannes kreisler]

congratulations! pretty much what I expected.
besides the 3,5h duration. actually that's within the margin of the comeup ("filled with negative thoughts") of oral aMT.
aMT has to be one of the most drawn out substances I know. what did happen after those 3,5h?

yes, calmer and more comfortable sounds right (for high doses). I often dose 15-20mg for settings like yours. for more a group of 3-10 people is probably best. in contrast to other psychedelics solotrips can become quite boring - on the other hand there's much less tripped out chaotic (positive) madness and/or "subgroup-formation" that often arises when groups of more than 3-4 people consume a serious psychedelic... it's a pretty social psychedelic and the euphoria depends very much on the social context/input.

the serenity usually lasts a few days - it's often like the second half of the aMT experience. just as valuable. enjoy!

 

[lamanogaucha]

A three and a half hour duration is exceptionally brief for a 50mg dose. Did this reported length include the onset, coming up and comedown phases? If not, can you please add those and return with the number? Three and a half hours total just doesn't add up...

 

[IamMe90]

you cannot kill a psychedelic trip with a benzo, you can only turn it down somewhat.
i'd still reccomend a lower dose, especially if you're not experienced with psychedelics. some people are quite sensible to them, even if they need normal doses with other drugs.

and good luck with you anxiety issues, your plan/thoughts sound sensible.

This is simply not true, it entirely depends on the individual. As little as 1mg of alprazolam completely negates all psychedelic effects for me, even with the most intense trips. It kind of annoys me actually, there's no halfway point - if I take a benzo the trip isn't dulled, it's destroyed, and sometimes I'd like to just tone down the intensity a little bit. Haven't been having many overwhelming trips lately though, so it hasn't been an issue.

 

[Jackpothead]

Ah you misunderstood me, or i chose a bad way to explain. I meant 3 hours of stimulation, followed by 3 hours of psychedelia. For facts sake:

T -2.00 - Eat a big plate of meat and mashed potatoes.
Sip a couple of beers ( something i continue to do through the night though at a lower rate durong the actual trip)

T 0.00 : Swallow 50 mgs aMT

T 1.00 : Big stomach discomfort starts building up and increases with time

T 2.00 : Amphetamine like high, euphoric.

T 4:xx : previous high subsides or is stomped on by this new high, lights, sounds, patterns, racing thoughts all invade my head in a good or a bad way rendering me unable to react to much of whats happening around me

( a friend gave me crap all night and morning for not being his wingman when he had a "sure thing" with a couple of girls, I explain to him over and over that i couldnt talk or behave in a functional way so forget about it )

T 6.xx : visuals disappeared, mentally exhausted but at the same time stimulated? (mind doesnt want to react but it doesnt want to rest either)

T 11.00 : spent the last hours in the car having deep conversations with 2 friends and younger brother.
Decide to go for a ride in the sun ( it's 11 am) maybe to the beach or some other place, but we're broke and without gas so we head to my place, we all lie down in different places but I can't sleep despite being tired so i just spend ~6 hours rolling around in bed and ocasionally dosing off for 10mins. Quite uncomfortable.

T 18.00 Get up and go outside for a coffee, will gradually come back to my normal self during the next couple of hours

Not much subjective experiences reported since I would probably get carried away and write a ton about all those visuals and thoughts, it would probably turn into a non-sensical ramble .

Anways there it is, it should be more on par with what you expected.

Edit: when this tune was dropped it felt insane, i thought i was in a madhouse, everyone around me had a twisted glow around them, evil even, I didnt feel fear though, I felt the world was mad but thats just the way it is, and it's not such a bad thing. Tune in question : @ 35mins in this set http://m.soundcloud.com/amitmusic/amit-rinse-fm-mix-29-10-12 cant find a direct link since its a dubplate

 

[mahoosive bendah]

( a friend gave me crap all night and morning for not being his wingman when he had a "sure thing" with a couple of girls, I explain to him over and over that i couldnt talk or behave in a functional way so forget about it )

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yeah ive had a similar thing on AMT; one friend fixated on the fact that i plugged, and another went on an anti-vegetarian rant...for hour after hour

it just gows to show how managable AMT is that these things are just mildly annoying. On acid or shrooms that kind of negative attention can be traumatic or ruin the experience or actually be pretty scary

ps - i found 50mg to be almost overwhelming too, with no tolerance and being only an occasional user of psychs or MDMA it took me to a place on the edge of my comfort zone.....the comeup was pretty anxious

so, you're not alone on that score

 

[MrPorter]

60mg + weed + nitrous balloon = deepest experience I've ever experienced. I have actual doubt that I will ever experience that kind of pure orgasmic pleasure again.

Is it just me, or are you always cold on this? Admittedly, I've only done it when it's a bit chilly but when we get back in I can never just chill in a shirt.

Also, how long do you find the come up to be? I couldn't eat from about 1hr, but pupils didnt get huge until ~4h and there was a little stimulation at 3h

 

[lamanogaucha]

Thank you for the more detailed information, Jackpothead. The chronology now makes sense.

 

[Okami]

60mg + weed + nitrous balloon = deepest experience I've ever experienced. I have actual doubt that I will ever experience that kind of pure orgasmic pleasure again.

Is it just me, or are you always cold on this? Admittedly, I've only done it when it's a bit chilly but when we get back in I can never just chill in a shirt.

Also, how long do you find the come up to be? I couldn't eat from about 1hr, but pupils didnt get huge until ~4h and there was a little stimulation at 3h

I haven't noticed that, but I don't normally chill in a shirt cos I get cold easily

 

[Black]

This is simply not true, it entirely depends on the individual. As little as 1mg of alprazolam completely negates all psychedelic effects for me, even with the most intense trips. It kind of annoys me actually, there's no halfway point - if I take a benzo the trip isn't dulled, it's destroyed, and sometimes I'd like to just tone down the intensity a little bit. Haven't been having many overwhelming trips lately though, so it hasn't been an issue.

ok, thanks for the info, i didn't know that. then i'll correct my statement to "if you haven't done it before, you can't rely on being one of those strange people who can kill a psychedelic trip with benzos"

 

[IamMe90]

^true that

 

[Jackpothead]

Yes it did make me colder, probably due to the vasoconstriction? My trip partners hands were blueish and i felt cold feet during the whole next day (without sleep)

 

[Okami]

I've never taken a benzo with a psychedelic, for your average person does it just make you less anxious so you're more able to wait it out or does is actually detract from trippyness and visuals?

 

[adam west]

ive only had pretty limited experience with the stuff but i did get very good trippiness on one occasion (waves, stills moving, cevs) and i had taken a benzo and a few beers too

 

[Morkin]

For me, benzos end the trip by putting you to sleep. But if you don't have enough to put you to sleep, they can intensify the trip - sometimes in emotionally negative ways by creating confusion, memory-loss & diminished inhibitions.

 

[Confield]

Hello, I'm interested in trying out AMT via the IM route as I remember reading a positive report of IM AMT somewhere on BL. I have some orange AMT freebase from last year which I haven't touched, but from what i gather the freebase was not suitable for injections, am i correct?

 

[ebola?]

Correct: think about the type of solvent admixture you'd need to inject the freebase. Is it something that's safe for injection?
...
If you have any hesitations about the purity of the material you're working with, IM administration isn't very safe.

ebola

 

[kingme]

might i suggest pluggin instead? it has proably more reviews than im anyway and might be safer...

 

[Okami]

What would the advantages of IM with a psychedelic other than faster onset and lower dosage? I've never used IM or IV but my understanding is for opiates and stimulants there is more euphoria? But seeing as the euphoric componant to psychedelics is more mindset than the actual drug it kinda seems pointless.