Still feeling DXM effects after 5 days

[extremist]

lol! :D

did you actually try this? any results?

I did, but I didn't realize it making any difference. I was actually feeling good most of yesterday; I think the visuals were still there, but I didn't see them as prominently as I am now. I may have just not been realizing it. I think my pupils may actually be dilated again, I feel a little dreamlike, and very tired even though I slept nine hours. I'm starting to get scared again; what should I do?

 

[Black]

the glutamate in food usually does not cross the blood-brain-barrier.

maybe you're also just one of those people (like me) who get strange aftereffects from any kind of dissociative. i haven't tried dxm, but i feel out of it (in a dissociated dreamlike state) for over a week from ketamine (just a tiny bump, i never dared take more), one full day from nitrous and even one week from one hit of cannabis (the aftereffects from cannabis feel a bit different than the others but it's basically the same.). if this is the case, don't worry, you'll feel normal again soon, but stay away from any kind of dissociative.

 

[pharmakos]

make sure you're keeping your brain active (reading, playing games, studying, etc)... if you're just sitting watching TV it might be easy to focus on it too much

 

[extremist]

make sure you're keeping your brain active (reading, playing games, studying, etc)... if you're just sitting watching TV it might be easy to focus on it too much

Yeah, that's been helping a lot. I'll keep at it.

What's complicating things for me is that that I don't know the first dosage, on the 10th. I thought it was 165mg but it may have been far, far less. So, if I had a first plateau experience from that, it would follow that I'd have much more than a second plateau experience from 450mg. And, because of the lack of DXO, it may not feel like that. Does that make sense? But if it actually was 165mg, then that entire theory is wrong.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^I don't think it matters either way. I wouldn't be worried at all, as has been said, after-effects can last a month in some persons. And as implied before, obsessing over this, and concomitant anxiety, can actually lead to dissociative symptoms (depersonalization/derealization), irrespective of any effects induced by the DXM per se. Try not to worry so much.

 

[Crashing]

No, it doesnt make sense because DXM works very strangely. The plateau range is different for everyone.

Example, 50-150 milligrams could give me a +
then 151-600 milligrams give me a ++
then 601-750 for a +++
751+ ++++

For a rough example.

Another person could be like

100-300 +
301-350 ++
351-1000 +++
1000+ ++++

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

DXM works very strangely

Indeed! My December experience, after a long break from dissociatives, had me peaking at ~t+2.5, then vomiting at t+3 and instantly attaining sobriety/annoying after effects. My January experience had me vomit at t+1 and peaking at t+1.5...which gave way to feeling really fucking good by t+2 and dissociated in such a way that I hadn't felt in over a year back when I was using 4-MeO-PCP.

 

[extremist]

^I don't think it matters either way. I wouldn't be worried at all, as has been said, after-effects can last a month in some persons. And as implied before, obsessing over this, and concomitant anxiety, can actually lead to dissociative symptoms (depersonalization/derealization), irrespective of any effects induced by the DXM per se. Try not to worry so much.

Believe me, I'm trying! It's really hard not to be overwhelmed at times. Thanks again, though, I really appreciate all of your assurance.

 

[pharmakos]

extremist if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

 

[extremist]

extremist if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

early 20s, why do you ask?

 

[pharmakos]

mostly just curious about how people that are different ages respond to DXM trips

 

[extremist]

mostly just curious about how people that are different ages respond to DXM trips

Let me get that chart started: 22: really fucking bad.

It's really, really hard not to obsess over it. My job is basically staring at things all day and if I ever catch a glimpse of the visuals I'm reminded. I spent the entire day thinking about it. The entire 10 days, actually. I'm confident I can make it to 30 days, but I don't know what I'll do if it's not gone by then.

 

[pharmakos]

a few "what ifs"...

a psychiatrist/doctor would probably call it Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder, and probably prescribe you some benzos. benzos typically do treat these symptoms (persisting anxiety and slight visuals), but being hooked on benzos can actually be more debilitating than the symptoms themselves if the symptoms aren't too severe.

worst case scenario: you've got slight visuals and a different head space forever. at least its mild enough that you can function normally in day-to-day life. so even in this worst case scenario, as long as you don't dose any more dissociatives you'll likely get used to this new mental place... and even if it is forever, you'll eventually get so used to it as to not notice it.

best case scenario: you'll wake up one day soon and realize that things are pretty much back to normal, or realize that it doesn't really bother you anymore

are you at all familiar with pioneering psychedelic researchers Alexander & Ann Shulgin and their books PiHKAL and TiHKAL? there's a chapter in PiHKAL where Ann talks about one time she thought a new Mescaline analogue had made a permanent change to her psyche. she and Alexander talk it out on like day two after her bad trip, and come to the conclusion that if it is permanent then she shouldn't worry too much because she'll eventually get used to her new mode of being.

she did eventually go back to normal though.

so see, even the best of the best as far as psychonauts go through stuff like this don't sweat it too much!

 

[extremist]

a few "what ifs"...

a psychiatrist/doctor would probably call it Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder, and probably prescribe you some benzos. benzos typically do treat these symptoms (persisting anxiety and slight visuals), but being hooked on benzos can actually be more debilitating than the symptoms themselves if the symptoms aren't too severe.

worst case scenario: you've got slight visuals and a different head space forever. at least its mild enough that you can function normally in day-to-day life. so even in this worst case scenario, as long as you don't dose any more dissociatives you'll likely get used to this new mental place... and even if it is forever, you'll eventually get so used to it as to not notice it.

best case scenario: you'll wake up one day soon and realize that things are pretty much back to normal, or realize that it doesn't really bother you anymore

It's an overstatement to say I'm functioning normally. I'm having panic attacks almost daily...

Do you think HPPD is the only cause at this point? Or is there still any chance that it's metabolic, or something to that effect.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^HPPD is a reasonable view, with the related anxiety causing problems and stuff. But I think you can still blame it on the acute effects of the DXM, dissociatives can really change the way you think for weeks after a solitary administration (they're really serious drugs). Call it HPPD if you continues for 6+ months.

 

[extremist]

But I think you can still blame it on the acute effects of the DXM, dissociatives can really change the way you think for weeks after a solitary administration (they're really serious drugs).

Well, here's hoping it's this! I should also say the anxiety may be caused simply by the fact that I think it's HPPD. And since anxiety can cause HPPD, that makes me even more anxious!

In any case, is this something that can potentially go away over night, or more of a gradual improvement?

 

[pharmakos]

Well, here's hoping it's this! I should also say the anxiety may be caused simply by the fact that I think it's HPPD. And since anxiety can cause HPPD, that makes me even more anxious!

yeah, this ^^ .... sort of a vicious cycle... biggest thing you can do is not worry and just try to find some zen

In any case, is this something that can potentially go away over night, or more of a gradual improvement?

could be either one, but more likely it'll be a gradual improvement

are you using any other drugs, even alcohol, caffeine or nicotine?

p.s. i added a few paragraphs more to the post you quoted above, if you didn't catch them

 

[extremist]

are you using any other drugs, even alcohol, caffeine or nicotine?

p.s. i added a few paragraphs more to the post you quoted above, if you didn't catch them

None at all. Stopped caffeine (after drinking a whole lot) which might actually be causing a headache and the fatigue.

I did notice the extra paragraphs. Reassuring, but I'm still pretty panic stricken over it being HPPD...

 

[pharmakos]

what are the visuals like? i had "visual static/snow" for a looooong time after i first started using dissociatives. i've barely stopped using dissociatives for more than a few months at a time since i started in 2007. pretty much any lingering effects are gone though, and now i just feel effects for the normal duration of the experience.

my tolerance is through the roof now though.

 

[extremist]

what are the visuals like? i had "visual static/snow" for a looooong time after i first started using dissociatives. i've barely stopped using dissociatives for more than a few months at a time since i started in 2007. pretty much any lingering effects are gone though, and now i just feel effects for the normal duration of the experience.

my tolerance is through the roof now though.

When I go to Wikipedia, I see something like this:

But it isn't really as "pixelated?" It's more of a glowing, cloudy sort of look. At other times, it's like there's a very, very subtle black sheet over walls and matte surfaces. At first I described it as when you're in the dark and step out into sunlight -- it's sort of difficult to see and what you do see has a sort of shadow atop it. That's why I thought it might be because of pupil dilation. But my pupils look fine now, and I also see them in the dark.