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Still feeling DXM effects after 5 days

i've had that sort of stuff all of my honestly, but it did become more pronounced after i first started using dissociatives. all this stuff eventually went away for me, but like i said i just kept dosing... never stopped and tried to make it go away via sobriety.

not the recommended way to do it, my continued dissociative dosing caused me to be pretty looney for a little while there.
 
Maybe helpful description: if you stare at a bright light for a few moments and then shift your focus to a flat white surface, the shadowy figures you can see are very similar to what I'm seeing on them all the time.
 
Never Knows Best said:
That's what I call "normal" these days. :)

The persistence of minor visual phenomena in no way implies lasting psychological damage/detrimental effects. It's just something to live with.
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What about the derealization? Is that just because of the anxiety? At this point, it's the much more debilitating effect. And the idea that it's something to live with, isn't that a lasting detrimental effect? :(

The more I read, the more I see that there are so many variables, all of which could give me a different result. When we first had the 165mg, it was in the form of lozenges, so we followed the DXM FAQ saying to melt and filter it and drink the liquid. But every other resource says to discard the liquid and the residue is the DXM, which is more believable. If drinking the liquid provides zero or very little DXM, that would either indicate a placebo or CYP2D6 deficiency, because I definitely felt something from drinking it. This is important because it may mean that I have a ridiculous sensitivity that went undetected. Maybe the sensitivity caused the 450mg to last a very long time, and this was long enough to cause actual damage. But that also may not make any sense. See, lots of variables!

It could be CYP2D6; it could be metabolism; it could be a standard after effect; it could be HPPD; it could be reversible brain damage; or it could be irreversible brain damage. Which is most likely? The only answers I'm content with are the first two, and only if they're gone soon. :( The fact that it's impossible for me to prove which one it is makes it far more stressful. I won't know if it'll ever go away until it does.
 
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Thanks sincerely for that post. You've all been very kind, and helpful and patient and I'm most grateful.
 
extremist said:
The more I read, the more I see that there are so many variables, all of which could give me a different result. When we first had the 165mg, it was in the form of lozenges, so we followed the DXM FAQ saying to melt and filter it and drink the liquid. But every other resource says to discard the liquid and the residue is the DXM, which is more believable. If drinking the liquid provides zero or very little DXM, that would either indicate a placebo or CYP2D6 deficiency, because I definitely felt something from drinking it. This is important because it may mean that I have a ridiculous sensitivity that went undetected. Maybe the sensitivity caused the 450mg to last a very long time, and this was long enough to cause actual damage. But that also may not make any sense. See, lots of variables!
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as far as feeling activity from the liquid portion of a sucrets extraction.... i think large doses of menthol can be slightly psychoactive
 
thenightwatch said:
as far as feeling activity from the liquid portion of a sucrets extraction.... i think large doses of menthol can be slightly psychoactive
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If I knew that I'd have just stuck with menthol. :)

I'll start running and exercising, and just trying to keep my mind occupied in general. I really hope that'll help, because this is really hard to deal with. Once again, I really appreciate all of your posts. You've been truly helpful.
 
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is there anything else in your life that's bothering you, mate? or does your anxiety/panic attacks solely stem from these dxm after effects?
 
Starting to feel better in terms of panic, but the symptoms aren't noticeably fading. I'm hoping that this thread may be helpful to people who end up here through Google later on.

At 20 days now and I still feel intermittently and vaguely dissociated. Not sure if it's improving or if it's just that I don't realize it most of the time, but I do certainly feel better when my mind is off of it and I'm out doing something. Caffeine seems to make it worse, but I may just be fooling myself, since alcohol didn't affect it at all. Posts and opinions are still appreciated!

I'm sorry if I'm spamming or posting excessively, but I want to be detailed to fascillitate discussion and help future searchers. I'll cut it down if anybody asks. :)

On the 19th day, I was actually feeling pretty good. Not sure if it was getting better or if I was just getting used to it or what, but I decided I would try to see if caffeine, alcohol or weed was okay yet. Not so - alcohol didn't affect me immediately, but made me feel very dissociated the next day. Weed was instantly dissociating, into the next day, so much so that I feel worse now than I did when I made the thread. Caffeine was bad while it was active, but it mostly subsided when it was over. I'm not sure what to take from any of that, but it tells me that I'm not in the clear just yet. :)

Though there are still lots of possibilities, my leaning is HPPD or flashbacks, but I don't know why or how or how long I'll take to recover. In any case, I see most people say it's gone within three months, but for every person who does, there's someone who says they're left this way forever, which is very distressing. I'm doing my best to keep active and keep my mind off of it, but it's not easy...

I would still really welcome posts, links and opinions. Anything at all is very helpful. Thanks!
 
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naw man i appreciate the updates, i actually have found myself worrying about ya once in awhile even while not on bluelight =p

are you sure you didn't sometimes feel these ways before you used dxm?
 
thenightwatch said:
naw man i appreciate the updates, i actually have found myself worrying about ya once in awhile even while not on bluelight =p

are you sure you didn't sometimes feel these ways before you used dxm?
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Haha, I really appreciate that!

I can't remember ever feeling like this before. I do have a history of anxiety, but no diagnosis and never full-on panic attacks. I'm not sure if the derealization is the cause or symptom of the anxiety, but it's definitely new.
 
Derealization is a symptom of anxiety.
And the more you worry the worse it gets.
You have to ignore it.
I know not easy when it's sorrounding you like a huge wall of security glass.
Like don't think about a pink elephant.
But you really need to ignore it.
Keep yourself busy.
The more activities the better.
If you are getting up in the morning and feeling it don't pay attention to it.
Do some stuff. Immediately.
Derealization needs attention to keep running.
The more your mind is busy with other stuff the more will the derealization shift in the background and eventually fade away completely.

And also important is to work on your anxiety. I mean thats even more important. Because anxiety can cause Derealization.
Derealization can be pure terror i know.
But it's a good thing.
It's a protection mechanism for your mind. Sounds paradox but it's shutting everything a bit down.

Wish you all the best
 
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2002Tii said:
Have you tried any nootropics (racetams, etc.) to see if they help?
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No, some people have suggested piracetam but it isn't available in my country. I can legally import it, but it would cost quite a bit. Is that worth it, or are the benefits purely speculative?

zirbeldude said:
Derealization is a symptom of anxiety.
And the more you worry the worse it gets.
You have to ignore it.
I know not easy when it's sorrounding you like a huge wall of security glass.
Like don't think about a pink elephant.
But you really need to ignore it.
Keep yourself busy.
The more activities the better.
If you are getting up in the morning and feeling it don't pay attention to it.
Do some stuff. Immediately.
Derealization needs attention to keep running.
The more your mind is busy with other stuff the more will the derealization shift in the background and eventually fade away completely.

And also important is to work on your anxiety. I mean thats even more important. Because anxiety can cause Derealization.
Derealization can be pure terror i know.
But it's a good thing.
It's a protection mechanism for your mind. Sounds paradox but it's shutting everything a bit down.

Wish you all the best
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Thanks a lot, that really helps. :)
 
I had some issues with feeling like this from JWH-018. Was one of the first people to take it, before people knew how strong it could be. Anyway, I'm totally fine now, no issues. I didn't believe it at the time, but it is reaaaally effected by how much you think about it. It's exactly correct that the derealization is caused by the anxiety. I don't get anxious often, but when I do, I feel a bit that way again. It's just a symptom of the anxiety. Stay away from the forums of people dwelling on their HPPD/Derealization issues, I feel like that's really unhealthy. It definitely didn't help me!

Your mind and body will heal with time for sure. My best suggestion is to exercise, get sun and hang with friends, etc, and try not to worry. It's not going to get any worse, so you're fine! I found lifting heavy weights 3 times a week really helped a lot. Plus you get strong and fit, so even better :).
 
When I wake up, the first thing I feel is the derealization. The anxiety doesn't come until after that. So, to me, it's not the anxiety causing the derealization, but the reverse. Maybe the anxiety makes it worse, but it's definitely there: even when I feel pretty calm, I still notice the derealization, an intermittent headache and cloudy memory.
 
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Synaesthesia242 said:
Look just try and be positive. Carry on living life as normal. You will get better.
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That's the mentality I'm trying to have, but it's easier said than done! :) Tomorrow will be T+1 month, which is a little daunting. I really hope I'll improve soon. I feel like my memory is actually getting worse, but that may just be my mind playing tricks on me. It's getting to be very hard to discern what's real and what's a placebo or hypochrondria.
 
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