The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 2

[Transform]

I'm not even convinced it needs to be dry if you're talking about storage over a couple of years.

 

[Juremo]

Dissolved in ethanol and placed in a freezer they will probably outlive you, especially as the fumarate salt. DMSO will probably work well too.

I dissolved gelatin in the minimum amount of water, let it cool off and then added the metocin dissolved in everclear.

then I made 5mg "gummybears" out of it, wrapped them in plastic and put them in the freezer.
after a day they changed the color from translucent to a greenish/turquoise hue.
several months later a lot of condensed water is frozen around them and the color is still the same.

There is no apparent loss in potency.

if you're talking about storing it for your grandkids that might be a different story though...

 

[Jesusgreen]

34 mg! That's way too high of a starter dose. As wayab stated, "it's mentally lighter and physically harsher than 4-aco-dmt." It can be very stimulating, especially in higher doses.

One thing to note is that while this will be my first time with the substance, I'm very experienced with psychedelics at all dose ranges from barely threshold to life-changing ++++s.

I've already taken an allergy test dose of course to ensure that I don't react badly to the substance.

I planned to take the entire 34mg because I would much rather be overwhelmed than underwhelmed, and I sometimes need a tad more than most with psychedelics to get where I want to be - the friend of mine who's recommendation led to me getting ahold of some suggested 25-30mg to me originally (he usually likes the same kind of depth as me in his trips) - but if I went for 25-30mg I'm left with 4-9mg which I can't do much except maybe hope to use it in some kind of combination.

Given that I'm likely not going to get my hands on any more 4-HO-MET for quite a long time, I'd like to get the full depth possible from this compound in one experience - or as much of it as I can anyway.

Provided it's easier going mentally as you and others said, then I'm not worried about the dose being very strong - I'm very experienced with over-stimulation and psychedelics that are harsher on the body, and I've taken them at some extremely high doses (think 30-40mg+ 2C-E - something I would NOT recommend!) so bodyload is not a big concern to me. I'm more worried about not reaching quite the level I want, than of going a little too far.

I think the main reason I'm looking at starting a little higher is because the main thing that drew me to this substance was actually a few reports regarding the visuals at quite extreme doses (some being 50-60mg+), and I'd like to see how close I can get to recreating them while still remaining in a reasonable dose range and not going so absurdly high like they did.

That said, I'm open to the idea of taking say 20-25mg - but this will be a solo experience relaxed on a couch or bed mostly spent watching the OEVs and CEVs, maybe drawing and writing some poetry - with nothing to distract me, and the perfect environment to go deep if the intensity calls for it.

Based on that would you guys still recommend dosing 15-18mg~, or do you think my considerations, goals and prior experience make 34mg a reasonable dose? Or maybe somewhere inbetween?

 

[crazycatman]

Thanks for all the advice about dissolving it in something that doesn't degrade it. Oh well, I'll hope my scale isn't that inaccurate

 

[SpiritualHealing]

I experienced a constant need to yawn and moderate to strong vasoconstriction when taking a dose exceeding 50mgs. Even a mentally exhausting dose like 120mg felt physically save, besides breathing discomfort. A moderate dose of Xanthines as contained in dark chocolate, coffee or black and green tee helped to cope physical symptoms.

Anyway - I wouldn't go far beyond 30mg unless you're seeking repeated ego-death and VERY STRONG effects. There is nothing like "mental easiness" when having a high dose experience.
N20 seemed to multiply its effects.

Duration increased significantly when exceeding 80mg.
My peak experience involving 120mg of 4-HO-MET lasted at least 10-12 hours.

 

[Achten]

I experienced a constant need to yawn and moderate to strong vasoconstriction when taking a dose exceeding 50mgs. Even a mentally exhausting dose like 120mg felt physically save, besides breathing discomfort. A moderate dose of Xanthines as contained in dark chocolate, coffee or black and green tee helped to cope physical symptoms.

Anyway - I wouldn't go far beyond 30mg unless you're seeking repeated ego-death and VERY STRONG effects. There is nothing like "mental easiness" when having a high dose experience.
N20 seemed multiply its effects.

Duration increased significantly when exceeding 80mg.
My peak experience involving 120mg of 4-HO-MET lasted at least 10-12 hours.

Jezus

My max dose was 50mg and I pretty much died for 4-5hours with another 3hours of coming down. I saw everything. Pure white light everywhere. Madness in any direction

 

[crazycatman]

Anyone have an idea of the shelf life of this thing?

fumarate in it's orriginal baggy, cool dark place

 

[Transform]

The moisture content oxygen levels and temperature will make a huge difference but you will probably be fine storing it for a few years at least as the fumarate.

 

[crazycatman]

Thanks mate, I have one of those moisture absorbent packs next to it and am only looking for storing it for like 6 months or so. So that should be fine.

 

[ShaggyFin]

This sounds similar to but more enjoyable than 4-HO-DET. I have wanted to try that, but now I kinda want to try this first. But eventually both...

 

[Morninggloryseed]

This sounds similar to but more enjoyable than 4-HO-DET. I have wanted to try that, but now I kinda want to try this first. But eventually both...

Hmm, good call. They are somewhat similar but 4-HO-DET has more of an edge and (for me) tends to produce a lot of anxiety. I had no anxiety on 4-HO-MET that I remember.

 

[crazycatman]

This sounds similar to but more enjoyable than 4-HO-DET. I have wanted to try that, but now I kinda want to try this first. But eventually both...

Don't know about 4-ho-det, but yes, from the one time I tried it 4-ho-met was quite enjoyable.

Nice visuals + not feeling insane + body load wasn't bad at all (of course I'm comparing the body load to 2c-e which for me sucks in that regard). And the duration ain't too long which helps if you have other stuff to do that day.

 

[eLeSaH]

I think the main reason I'm looking at starting a little higher is because the main thing that drew me to this substance was actually a few reports regarding the visuals at quite extreme doses (some being 50-60mg+), and I'd like to see how close I can get to recreating them while still remaining in a reasonable dose range and not going so absurdly high like they did.

I can tell you from my experience that high doses are not needed to get insane visuals or things like this:

Pure white light everywhere.

The process invovles using a normal 20mg dose of 4-ho-met and 3-5mg JWH-250 on the peak. This is my holy recipe It induced a "white light" experience for nearly all ppl i gave it to. Seeing white lights is just the beginning. It's your choice if you let go then and see everything or not.

Regarding intensity: Doing the jwh-250 on the comedown creates dmt like, intense visuals. So I guess that the combination on the peak goes far beyond that what dmt shows on breakthrough doses.

The good thing is you never lose control and there is no mindfuck. Open your eyes and you are where you are. Close your eyes and you are where you have been and will be.


edit: Please be aware when you decide to do this. It has a huge impact in your life. It would be comparable to the situation where you are going to watch a movie next week and someone comes and spoilers everything. This trip can be the spoiler.
Never the less, i had the best time in my life after this experience.

 

[Lady Codone]

34 mg might not be too much if you're experienced with psychedelics. The average starting dose is 15-25 mg, but everyone's different. I've seen reports of people taking in the 100+ mg range (accidentally) and they didn't die. Not recommended obviously, but it seems to have a decent safety profile. (I wouldn't THINK of combining it with JWH or any other cannabinoid personally).

As for storage, I had no problem keeping a large quantity in a dark baggie in the fridge for about a year. Didn't change color/texture and remained as potent as ever.

The biggest difference between 4-HO-MET and shrooms is the duration IMO. The larger the dose, the longer the duration. I once had a 10-hour HO-MET trip that involved me laying in bed in a state of ego death from morning til evening. Not exactly "fun" but enlightening nonetheless

 

[crazycatman]

34mg for the first time seems a bit much for me unless you're a psy heard head (no offence meant)

@Lady Codone
Thanks for the renascence about storage, want to do some with a couple of bros in a few months time (they are a bit busy now). It's not in the fridge, but last time I looked it appeared the same color/texture as before. So I should be fine.

 

[eLeSaH]

The thing with higher doses is that when I get into "visionary" moments or trips, I forgot the content of the trip. Memory and general functioning of thoughts are malfunctioning, like thought loops and confusion. The good thing in my combination was that I was always mentally clear and sharp. I could remember the trip better and was in full control. The interesting thing is: upon vaping the jwh, you become sober. Just plain sober. The effects of the 4homet seem to subjectively go away and the "experiencing" part of the trip gets intensified 1000x as you close your eyes and just go with it.

It is just a recommendation for people who were searching for this kind of trip like I was. I tried different psychedelics till I found this combination but my other trips were also always worth it.
It's just a complete different trip. A full on and clear +++++. I think I would be egoistic if I didn't share this knowledge.

 

[captaintom]

super bummed out I'll probably never to get try this one...stupid UK laws

 

[ShaggyFin]

Don't know about 4-ho-det, but yes, from the one time I tried it 4-ho-met was quite enjoyable.

Nice visuals + not feeling insane + body load wasn't bad at all (of course I'm comparing the body load to 2c-e which for me sucks in that regard). And the duration ain't too long which helps if you have other stuff to do that day.

Hmm, good call. They are somewhat similar but 4-HO-DET has more of an edge and (for me) tends to produce a lot of anxiety. I had no anxiety on 4-HO-MET that I remember.

Thank you guys, this stuff sounds great :D

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Hmm, good call. They are somewhat similar but 4-HO-DET has more of an edge and (for me) tends to produce a lot of anxiety. I had no anxiety on 4-HO-MET that I remember.

I should add though that of all the 4-substituted synthetic tryptamines I have tried (4-xx-DET, 4-xx-DiPT, 4-xx-MiPT, 4-AcO-DMT), they really are all much of the same thing, subtle differences that probably would not be noticed by the casual user. Only iprocin (4-Ho-DiPT) was something completely different from the psilocin family. I did try 4-Ho-DPT once, but it had little effect so I can't rate it. Normally I like to say 4-AcO-DMT is different too, but again the differences are so subtle that I cannot rule out chemical suggestion. Certainly many scientists (Nichols for example) consider 4-AcO-DMT a fully legitimate substitute for psilocin...I think there is even a paper on it to that effect.

 

[ShaggyFin]

I should add though that of all the 4-substituted synthetic tryptamines I have tried (4-xx-DET, 4-xx-DiPT, 4-xx-MiPT, 4-AcO-DMT), they really are all much of the same thing, subtle differences that probably would not be noticed by the casual user. Only iprocin (4-Ho-DiPT) was something completely different from the psilocin family. I did try 4-Ho-DPT once, but it had little effect so I can't rate it. Normally I like to say 4-AcO-DMT is different too, but again the differences are so subtle that I cannot rule out chemical suggestion. Certainly many scientists (Nichols for example) consider 4-AcO-DMT a fully legitimate substitute for psilocin...I think there is even a paper on it to that effect.

That's good to know. Have you ever tried them in combination at all?