Can you describe how feels the bodyload? racing heart? muscle tension? chills? nausea? How is compared with other psychedelics? The most benign for me was 4-aco-dmt, and the most rough shrooms by far, with 2c-b as something in the middle.
The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 2
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Can you describe how feels the bodyload? racing heart? muscle tension? chills? nausea? How is compared with other psychedelics? The most benign for me was 4-aco-dmt, and the most rough shrooms by far, with 2c-b as something in the middle.
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I've had almost no body load, racing heart, or any real negative side effects when I've experimented with it. In fact, it's been one of the most benign psychedelics I have ever used. It's always been a very comfortable, colorful visual trip for me.
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Exactly the same for me.
For me, this substance has a (so far) consistent profile. The come up effects are body sensory, similar in feeling to having ingested a lot of caffeine. I feel a high frequency internal vibration in my whole body usually strongest in my gut. A little bit like a shiver. The shiver slowly oscillates in intensity and steadily rises in average intensity for the first 90 minutes or so. For me, this can feel erotic at the beginning but then after a while I find myself huddled under blankets. By that time, the same sort of thing is happening to my visual perceptions - things seem to be vibrating, there are no sharp lines anywhere. At 2 hours or so, the body sensations disappear suddenly and the rest of the trip is calm body-wise.
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Yeah, I don't know what people are going on about with regards to the body load. I think it's just that someone mentioned palpitations and insomnia a while back and now everyone has jumped on that bandwagon. It has no more body load than any other 4-HO tryptamine.
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Last time i took 30mg (fumarate) and it was fun but not really overwhelming.
At which doses does it start go get a bit deeper?
At which doses does it start go get a bit deeper?
I had a batch a 1.5 - 2.5 years ago which gave my friends and I an uncomfortable indigestion, accompanied by hot flashes and an elevated temperature which sustained itself for a few hours until post-peak. Additional stimulation persisted for an hour or two after visuals had subsided. After re-reading many of the reports here, my batch may have been rather impure. The experience seems rather "clean" for most folks, I have since purchased a gram from another vendor (possibly the same, but this time the color is beige instead of white). I've had this for over a year, probably longer, and I may ingest a small amount in the upcoming days to determine whether or not metocin actually produces these unpleasant feelings.
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I liked metocin a lot. It's got it's own unique tryptamine flavor to it. The come up had me very stimulated, and somewhat compulsive at times- like I kept getting up to make sure my music playlist was just right although I had just done it one song before. Then I got the body rushes and they were incredible. I said to my friend, 'I feel like I'm in an electric body glove!'
When I got to the peak I had calmed down a lot, the electric stimulation had turned into a very empathogenic, stony body high that rose out of my chest and FELT like it was drifting around the room. I also had the feeling that all my thoughts were empowered. I felt like if I decided to declare a major behavioral change right then it would have stuck with me for a long time. I had a great trip until my friend read to me xorkoth's ++++ 18mg 2c-e report, I wasn't actually paying attention to all of it and my loopy mind didn't even fully comprehend 100% of it, but then it seemed like the exact thing that happened to xorky happened to me.
It started with me thinking, 'for every thought, it seems as though you could think of another thought that represented the antithesis of the original thought to clear it from your mind.." then I had lots of thought loops about polar opposites and my heartrate was going pretty wild. I started walking down the hallway with my friend and all of the sudden felt a very adrenergic stimulation accompany my pounding heartbeat. For whatever reason I was under the impression my friend could feel this too even though he said otherwise. Then I went outside and that's when I thought that "UNBEING" was about to happen and felt really psychotic. Tryptamines used to always treat me really well but recently they have given me overstimulating comedowns with lots of derealization that just seems really dangerous and manic.
Haven't had a real trip on a tryptamine since st. pattys day(the trip described above) so I'm hoping that that has changed by now
good luck to everyone experiencing similar problems
When I got to the peak I had calmed down a lot, the electric stimulation had turned into a very empathogenic, stony body high that rose out of my chest and FELT like it was drifting around the room. I also had the feeling that all my thoughts were empowered. I felt like if I decided to declare a major behavioral change right then it would have stuck with me for a long time. I had a great trip until my friend read to me xorkoth's ++++ 18mg 2c-e report, I wasn't actually paying attention to all of it and my loopy mind didn't even fully comprehend 100% of it, but then it seemed like the exact thing that happened to xorky happened to me.
It started with me thinking, 'for every thought, it seems as though you could think of another thought that represented the antithesis of the original thought to clear it from your mind.." then I had lots of thought loops about polar opposites and my heartrate was going pretty wild. I started walking down the hallway with my friend and all of the sudden felt a very adrenergic stimulation accompany my pounding heartbeat. For whatever reason I was under the impression my friend could feel this too even though he said otherwise. Then I went outside and that's when I thought that "UNBEING" was about to happen and felt really psychotic. Tryptamines used to always treat me really well but recently they have given me overstimulating comedowns with lots of derealization that just seems really dangerous and manic.
Haven't had a real trip on a tryptamine since st. pattys day(the trip described above) so I'm hoping that that has changed by now
good luck to everyone experiencing similar problems
I liked metocin a lot. It's got it's own unique tryptamine flavor to it. The come up had me very stimulated, and somewhat compulsive at times- like I kept getting up to make sure my music playlist was just right although I had just done it one song before. Then I got the body rushes and they were incredible. I said to my friend, 'I feel like I'm in an electric body glove!'
When I got to the peak I had calmed down a lot, the electric stimulation had turned into a very empathogenic, stony body high that rose out of my chest and FELT like it was drifting around the room. I also had the feeling that all my thoughts were empowered. I felt like if I decided to declare a major behavioral change right then it would have stuck with me for a long time. I had a great trip until my friend read to me xorkoth's ++++ 18mg 2c-e report, I wasn't actually paying attention to all of it and my loopy mind didn't even fully comprehend 100% of it, but then it seemed like the exact thing that happened to xorky happened to me.
It started with me thinking, 'for every thought, it seems as though you could think of another thought that represented the antithesis of the original thought to clear it from your mind.." then I had lots of thought loops about polar opposites and my heartrate was going pretty wild. I started walking down the hallway with my friend and all of the sudden felt a very adrenergic stimulation accompany my pounding heartbeat. For whatever reason I was under the impression my friend could feel this too even though he said otherwise. Then I went outside and that's when I thought that "UNBEING" was about to happen and felt really psychotic. Tryptamines used to always treat me really well but recently they have given me overstimulating comedowns with lots of derealization that just seems really dangerous and manic.
Haven't had a real trip on a tryptamine since st. pattys day(the trip described above) so I'm hoping that that has changed by now
good luck to everyone experiencing similar problems
What was the dosage for your metocin trip? Did you trip very often?
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it was either 25 or 28 mg if I remember correctly and yes I had been tripping rather frequently beforehand, but I'm pretty sure I took about a month break before that trip. I have another sample and I'll definitely report back once i've tried it, or any shroomy tryptamine for that matter.
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Mmmmmm. Shroomy trypts. I love them. Me and metocin have always got along well. Except once, which was a difficult experience. I'm blaming that one on my girlfriend. We had gotten into an argument right as she was going to work, which was right after I dosed. I did learn a lot from that trip though.
I like to take psychedelics when I need to think. Helps me see other perspectives I never would have seen before. Also helps with acceptance. If you can come to terms with something while at +3, you can deal with it later easily.
I'm rambling. That wasn't the same metocin I had Sonn, was it? Sorry moderators if I just crossed a line. 8( Feel free to edit me.
I like to take psychedelics when I need to think. Helps me see other perspectives I never would have seen before. Also helps with acceptance. If you can come to terms with something while at +3, you can deal with it later easily.
I'm rambling. That wasn't the same metocin I had Sonn, was it? Sorry moderators if I just crossed a line. 8( Feel free to edit me.
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The colour could be due to it being partially degraded or due to impurities during synthesis, but even the smallest degrading or amount of impurities can cause quite a significant colour change, so I wouldn't be worried if it's still an off-white/beige colour.
I've obtained 34mg of this substance, I'm planning to take it all in one go.
Do you guys think this is too much for the first time taking it?
How does it compare in overall potency for example to 4-AcO-DMT?
With 4-AcO-DMT I find that at this dose range it can get quite uncomfortable if I'm not prepared, but I've heard 4-HO-MET is far easier going and was recommended this dose level by a friend, so due to having a lot of experience with other psychedelics I thought it seemed a fine level to jump in at.
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34 mg!
That's way too high of a starter dose. As wayab stated, "it's mentally lighter and physically harsher than 4-aco-dmt." It can be very stimulating, especially in higher doses. Compared to 4-aco-dmt, I need less 4-ho-met to get me where I want. 20-25 mg 4-ho-met versus 25-35 mg 4-aco-dmt. Just be careful! I've never heard of someone taking that high of a starter dose. I know people that won't push past 15 mg, and they love it. At least try a small dose like 5-10 mg to make sure you don't get some crazy idiosyncratic reaction, then you'll still have enough material for a good trip.
Psychedelics are beautiful things when treated with love and respect. Don't respect the chemical, and it might demand it from you.
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Is there any non toxic liquid in which 4-ho-met dissolves and doesn't degrade while being stored in it?
Unfortunately, afaik, the only way to do this would be with dry etoh/meoh, the latter obviously being quite toxic.
And even then, shulgin said, at least regarding psilocin, the less water you have in the alcohol, the less soluble the psilocin/4-ho's (salts) will be. Dry etoh/meoh is a quite poor polar solvent for 4-sub trypts. Then you consider degradation of the 4-ho/aco's occurs by and large from phenolic oxidation when stored in aqueous solutions, and the possibility's for storage in polar solvents starts too seem like a non-viable option. Since water is necessary to get a workable degree of solubility, but causes degradation the quickest.
If your trying to figure out how to accurately dose out 4-subs, by taking a large mg amount and making a solution and dosing volumetrically as needed, i think thats not practical. Even if you stick it in the freezer and wrap it in foil.
Honey/chocolate, on the other hand, might work. You just need to homogenize the mixture (its not solublizing, just mixing) very well, to avoid inaccurate doses. Make individual doses all at once, and store them in the freezer with o2/h2o desiccants in a lightproof container. Thats how i get mushrooms from an associate at least, via chocolate form. We both agree they last longer when stored this way (powdered mushrooms, mixed with cooling liquid chocolate and hardened into standardized doses).
I think, however, you might be able to get away with it another way. Get high proof alcohol, but not too dry (id say 80-90% etoh), dissolve the metocin in it at its highest saturation without resorting to heating the solvent, then working quickly to avoid degradation, evaporate doses onto an edible medium, paper is off the table as you'd need a big ass blotter taking into account solubulity mg/ml, and potency, at least relative to how lsd blotter is made. Then take your edible doses after drying quickly, without heat in a dry/cool/dark as possible environment, and store them in a airtight container with silica/naso4/mgso4/etc as a moisture dessicant to keep the humidity as low as possible, and use oxygen food preserver desiccants, or atmospheric replacement with wine preserver n2 gas/inert argon or noble gas/etc, to prevent oxidation from gaseous oxygen in the containers volume. Wrap it in foil and store in the freezer.
TLDR version- I don't think solution storage is possible without h20, which causes degradation quickly, as thats what makes 4-ho/aco's soluble in other polar solvents like alcohols, but perhaps making individual dosage units using a high proof alcohol with enough water to make it soluble, finding an edible medium to dose it upon, and drying in an environment that is low in heat/02/h20 (humidity)/light quickly, and storing in an lightproof airtight container with oxygen and h20 desiccants in the freezer is your best bet for accurate volumetrically solution dosing. Keeping it in solution, which is only possible by using water afaik, quickly leads to degradation.
Or you could take the metocin, and mix it in honey/cooling liquid chocolate, and pour out standardized doses. With honey you could use plastic vials for storage of individual doses. Just be sure to homogenize (Google the term if its not in your linguistic vocabulary) the mixture very well, as its not being solubulized, to prevent patches of higher/lower potency due to inadequate mixing. And always store them in an environment with as little heat/o2/h20/light as possible.
They're a bit tricky to work with, if you like to dose volumetrically out of a solution. Since the only thing they seem to be soluble in, water, is what is going to cause them to degrade quickly. Thus either the homogenization into an insoluble medium (honey/chocolate), or laying loses on a medium, using a semi dry alcohol and working as quickly as possible are the only options i see here.
Just don't go passing off those rc trypt chocolates as mushroom chocolates. Taste, difference in affects, and the morality of doing so prevent all but the most fucked up people from trying that kind of stupid shit. But for HR/accurate dosing purposes, i think it should be considered/information out there, so long as its for personal use, and not for distribution as fake mushroom chocolates.
Good luck getting dry etoh, and remember every time you open that solution vial to take a dose, your going to introduce some h2o into the etoh, from the dry etoh pulling it out of air humidity, and the fact its a cold solution/vial at room temp, IE condensation.
And once again, very poor solubulity in dry etoh. If its not dry you WILL get phenolic oxidation and degredation from the water.
But if you have access to very dry alcohol, and don't mind using alot of it to solubulize a small amount of said 4-subb, it works i guess.
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