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[Support PD] If you know NBOMe drugs, where did you first learn about them?

If you know NBOMe drugs, where did you first learn about them?

  • Being informed by a friend

    Votes: 39 9.5%

  • Stumbling upon forum discussions like in PD

    Votes: 175 42.7%

  • Stumbling upon a source offering it

    Votes: 129 31.5%

  • Coverage in (scientific) articles or by media

    Votes: 32 7.8%

  • Other (... post your answer!)

    Votes: 22 5.4%

  • Never heard about them until now - I would try them (... post your ideas!)

    Votes: 7 1.7%

  • Never heard about them until now - I would not try them (... post why!)

    Votes: 6 1.5%
  • Total voters
    410
Learned from NBOMe combounds from Wikipedia which I was at that time shuffling through for information on psychedelic drugs. The idea of enjoying psychedelics in the first place got into my mind when I realized that I'm old enough to not to care too much about side-effects of them. Since psychedelics has always been something I thought might be worth experiencing before I die, I decided to try a wide variety of them (still many interesting combounds to be tested). So, in you might say the ball got rolling because 1) life has gotten a bit boring on older age and b) side-effects aren't a concern anymore (for me, personally, at this age and situation; for some other they might be very relevant as some on this thread have pointed out).
 
Solipsis said:
I'd like people here who learned how to handle these compounds the hard way to do me a favor:

Please share with all of us what made you realize the difference between putting your life in harms way and making sure you yourself and others will not be dosed unintentionally or overdose inadvertently.

What would be the first thing you would warn your noob old self against?

Imagine that while we make more commotion about these compounds (even the warnings) it will also introduce new folks to them. Are you thinking "if that were me and I would see Feature X here at PD, quite possibly it would avoid a lot of harm" ? What can that improvement be? I am not only talking pieces of advice, I am talking ways to bring attention to that advice, the right place at the right time.
If we are going to hold only our personal selves responsible for dealing with all of this properly, let us help each other do the best we can. We almost certainly aren't going to prevent all deaths, despite our best efforts major pharmaceutical and illicit drugs still go on killing people as well so NBOMe's are not terribly special. However if we are going to be the ones to introduce people to the existence of these compounds, we should not stand idly by.
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It sounds like you're in a bit of an ethical crisis over this, Soli. But getting anxious about cause and effect is not going make it go away.

The cat was out of the bag a long time ago with the NBOMes. It's now a reality. We can't just start censoring ourselves now, run and hide under the bed and hope they'll go away. Instead of viewing them with fear and apprehension, we need to look at them with rationality and mindfulness. They are not inherently bad, they are just molecules which need to be handled appropriately, like any other potentially dangerous material. And it's not as if the NBOMes are killing everyone who takes them either, it's a just a few people who are taking stupendous or uncertain doses, and via dangerous dosing methods.

It's our job to help newbies make the right choices so they don't hurt themselves or others.

So, what we do need to do is to start implementing a way of maximizing the impact we have on harm reduction when discussing these compounds. One of the greatest problems I see - and that it seems is grotesquely overlooked - is the fact that anyone can come on here and recommend certain doses, even in a passive or implicit fashion. And it becomes a problem because of - as one person in that other thread about the 25i death put it - the "heroic dose" culture.

One person says "I took such and such a dose". So Joe Bloggs reads this, and takes a similar or higher dose and reports back to Bluelight on that. Then Harry Smith reads this and takes an even higher dose still. Tolerance plays a part here too, as does the combination with drugs such as benzodiazepines which often goes unreported, and which skews the data. In other words, if we knew that the person who took X dose of 25i-NBOMe had actually just finished a binge on 6-APB, LSD, and aMT a few days earlier and was taking a couple of milligrams of etizolam the day they tripped, we could easily see that their NBOMe dose was far in excess of what a normal sober and healthy individual could tolerate.

I propose that we start by appending Erowid-style warnings in coloured parenthesis besides any mention of NBOMe doses which are seen by a sensible consensus to be higher than "moderate". I would say that 750ug of 25C and 1mg of 25i is a good starting place. If, for example, someone posts "I took 1mg 25C", there should be a bold warning in parenthesis re-iterating the fact that this dose is known to be very strong for some individuals, and that high doses have been known to cause deaths. I'm surprised something like this has not already been implemented, but the faster we can agree on something like this, the greater the harm reduction we can bring to everyone who is reading the threads about NBOMes.

Drugs don't kill people. Let's not succumb to knee-jerk reactions in the face of a few tragic reports and start demonizing these compounds. Let's instead find a way to adapt to the new psychedelic climate by introducing new measures to help maximize the information available to those who have yet to experiment.
 
I understand what you're saying and generally agree. Also I can see how my concern shows, but that previous post of mine is indeed about how we can stay sharp and actually help. Not about considering censorship! Most thing I said, you are repeating now... like how the compounds are not intrinsically dangerous necessarily, just extremely potent and without that huge therapeutic index LSD has. I am just trying to get people to contribute.

No, demonization is not the answer. However I do think that our tolerance for people giving malinformed or overly casual advice should be limited and that we should remain vigilant to certain attitudes in the 25X threads.
 
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^So what do you think about the idea of bold warnings in parentheses to all posts mentioning high doses, similar to how Erowid edits trip reports with mentions of stupid doses or driving under the influence?

Maybe we should start a poll for the major NBOMes to get some consensus on what people think the threshold of a strong/dangerous dose of each compound is. What do you think?
 
I got a sample of 25i from a source. I'd heard of nbomes in passing from all sorts of places, mostly here and Erowid.

AFAIK it was a 300ug gelcap. ZOMG bodyload from hell, projectile hurled twice, but it mellowed out eventually. I wrote a trip report on Erowid about it, although I think it might have been binned (I'm not that great with words) ;_;

EDIT: as others have pointed out nbome doses are very subjective and what is safe for one person can be deadly for someone else. I'm a big guy and 300ug floored me, god knows how some people can take 1mg and not die.

If you're reading this and want to try them, don't be an idiot. Steer clear unless you know how to handle it... and I don't mean trip wise... I mean if just a couple millis of this stuff gets in the wrong place, enjoy your funky new amputation....
 
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Survived Abortion said:
^So what do you think about the idea of bold warnings in parentheses to all posts mentioning high doses, similar to how Erowid edits trip reports with mentions of stupid doses or driving under the influence?

Maybe we should start a poll for the major NBOMes to get some consensus on what people think the threshold of a strong/dangerous dose of each compound is. What do you think?
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The bold warnings seem excellent, I occasionally edited a post that seemed too irresponsible to condone but without breaking rules... total censorship is not what BL/PD should be about. Some people seem to be paranoid that this is what is already happening but they just do not seem to grasp the necessity of moderating.

A poll would be good, let us consider it first. I agree though because it would be nice and suggestive to any visitors of the thread to start there and not right at someone else's +++ level. These are the kind of things that make me think: they should be hard to miss so if they are intentionally disregarded and shit hits the fan, it becomes more of a "your own damn fault" situation. Without these guiding principles the fault is more distributed and I don't really care for systematic faults.
 
i first heard about them here because they were first promoted on here
i first heard about mxe on here too because it was first promoted on here

thanks bluelight.

my friend died of an nbome overdose. he stopped breathing.
 
oldflattop said:
i first heard about them here because they were first promoted on here
i first heard about mxe on here too because it was first promoted on here

thanks bluelight.

my friend died of an nbome overdose. he stopped breathing.
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I'm deeply sorry to hear about you losing your friend like that.

Unfortunately I can't say there is much in the way of alternative, it's either hide all the information about the drugs - people will still run into them elsewhere, discover them, and due to the lack of information about safe use, people will overdose and die, or end up in hospital. Now if the information is put out there, people who didn't know about the drugs then discover them, and if they don't follow the proper protocols to reduce harm they can end up in hospital or dead too.

Either way people are going to get hurt, but by providing information about the drugs we can hope to reduce harm over all, as I at the very least hope most of the Bluelighters here don't just see a new drug name and go oh lets try that, but rather spend time researching it, the proper dose ranges, ROAs, any potential dangers, etc, before trying it out, if they even decide to.

It's a reminder too as to why people need to remember to both take allergy tests and slowly titrate up dosages, rather than just jumping in at the deep end - or for example jumping up from 1 hit to 2 hits with the NBOMes, which people have wrongly assumed would be safe due to the safety of doing this with for example LSD.
 
oldflattop said:
i first heard about them here because they were first promoted on here
i first heard about mxe on here too because it was first promoted on here

thanks bluelight.

my friend died of an nbome overdose. he stopped breathing.
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I'm sorry for you loss. It's always tough to loose some one close to you.

But you know what? information wants to be free. Yeah, I know it's a cliche, but it's true.

Do you really think that something like the NBOMe's could be kept secret? if people hadn't read about them here, they'd just have read about them on other forums (source/vendor forums) or they would hear about them from freinds. Or they would find them at vendor site's, with only the vendor's advice in regards to dosage and ROA.

Or they would get dosed with it at festivals and raves, without having a clue what so ever it is.

Do you really think that chinese lab's would'nt be churning out kilo's of the stuff, if bluelight wasn't around?

You do know that a vendor was offering 25C-NBOMe before it was discussed on bluelight?
Your anger is completely and totally missdirected.

Also, in case you didn't know. thousands of people die every year from drug use, all over the world.

Drugs are NOT a toy.

know your source, know your dose. Stay safe.
 
I first heard about 25C-NBOME in May of 2012 when the tabs my friends were sold in Pittsburgh were horribly bitter and produced delayed come ups (2-4hr) and intense visuals. I tried one tab out of curiosity. I was highly disappointed and quite frankly a bit worried when four hours after dosing I smoked some weed. Immediately the dimensions around me began swinging violently out of place and I felt myself perpetually leaning forward. This sensation persisted for the duration of my pot high. Then I had tracers and crawlers for the last few hours. Nothing worth repeating at all.
 
Everyone, the polls in the threads of the 4 most popular 25X-NBOMe compounds were changed and reinitiated.

Cast your vote now so that we can find out exactly how to make a new advice and moderation policy for the benefit of everyone's safety.
 
Sold as LSD in blotter form, woke up half naked on a golf course after consuming 3 tabs. My memory of the night is obviously a hellucination which I won't get into.
 
Pretty sure I first heard them being talked about in the RC scene, or just being offered by a vendor.
 
I met a 17yr old dealer who was convinced he was selling mescaline in blotter form. LOL. It was 25c.
 
A person sold it as acid but did convey his observations that it was not like LSD he had and sold before and it was extremely cheap he advised a safe lower dose for a first try. A smaller dose was sampled and I researched once a flag was raised when a bitter taste was observed. This was the first but not last encounter with an NBOMe compound. In an honest opinion these compounds are rather brilliant but come with (as all fairly new/untested compounds) a risk that one must be very careful in how they move forward.
 
I found out about NBOMe's on one forum (E.K.) about RC's which now is gone i guess.
So yes... after hearing about them i really started to interest about synthesis of them.
 
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