[Support PD] If you know NBOMe drugs, where did you first learn about them?

[Cyanoide]

I also found out about them while reading PD, this was before vendors started selling them. I would never even had considered buying or even less using them if it hadn't been for reading thoroughly about them on BL and various other forums.

I have titrated phenazepam in sub-milligram doses before so the technique of dosing NBOMe's wasn't too unfamiliar, and although I'm aware of how titrating sub-milligram compounds is done, I still did a lot of research about if before. Not just reading about how others do it, because following the examples of some (e.g. eyeballing) could kill you. I've never been so careful in my life as when making my first solution of 25C-NBOMe (I had tried it in blotter form first, but it was an almost inactive ROA for me).

Edit: Actually I was wrong when I think about it. I read about NBOMe-Mescaline (it was a vendor who purposedly was going to have it) before reading about 2C-X-NBOMe's. But it wasn't before starting researching about 2C-X-NBOMe's I got a grip of the chemistry and theory of NBOME's.

 

[Kild]

First i found out about them from a vendor then i checked it out in here and on erowid. Later on woodstock festival i was offered a fake acid blotter that i found out was NBOMe 2c-d. The info came from the same person that sold those. I wasnt angry just dissapointed that it wasnt lucy. I wanted to try it anyway

 

[Karcinogenious]

Dissolving nbomes into a warm alcohol/water solution helps out with safe measurement tremendously....after waiting a few hours and making sure your solution is clear, you have a much easier way to dose safely. I use an insulin syringe, and have made the ratio so that 5 units is equal to 100mcg, or 2mg/ml, nbome/solution...I would recommend this to anyone who can't afford a microgram scale...also to take at most 500mcg when first trying this substance, to get a feel for it, because it can be very intense visually and catch people off guard, there is still a surprisingly clear head to it tho. I have also been storing this in solution in the fridge for quite a few weeks with no potency loss noticed if anyone was curious.

 

[Solipsis]

All those who voted thanks, hopefully there will be more. At first I was a little overwhelmed by the votes coming in on 'learning about them at PD', but those numbers should be placed in a proper frame of reference, we really need to compensate for the 'in-crowd factor' here. By that I mean you take this poll because you are visiting PD implicating the likelihood that you have stumbled upon these threads on N-aryl PEAs.

Actually the numbers have shifted a bit since then and nearly 20% (obviously only as I post this) appear to be learning about these compounds through them being offered by online sources. Quite frankly this basically supports what I was already suspecting more or less but hopefully if the number of votes go up (and with it statistical relevancy) this serves as the basis of proof of the need for giving high priority to inform and warn as best as we can.

I am considering creating a central opinion, feedback and support thread about the general phenomenon of superpotent drugs that potentially land in the hands of the wrong people. Inevitably this is nothing but an extension of the general emergence of 'research chemical' use. Similarly to most developmental fields in the world... what changes is the complexity: from day one there is the fallacy of RC experimenters having no milligram scales. Now added to the requirements there is not only equipment but also procedures and (basic) scientific understanding of handling, measurement and routes of administration, etc.

It should be obvious that what Bluelight including PD stands for is to do whatever we can to react in unity, to debate on what the best approach is to the fact that some percentage of the population does not learn quickly enough about these compounds to catch up with the exposure of these compounds to them.

Also, I read a piece in an old volume (I need to discuss copyright if this modest excerpt can be placed) of "New Scientist" about David Nichols and how he feels about being the creator of 'chemical weapons', in which he himself compares this to the discovery of dynamite by Alfred Nobel for the purpose of making mining safer. Now Nichols does not have analogous intentions of psychedelic therapy by super-potent chemical agents, but obviously the aim of him and his research group is scientific study.
We makes these discoveries, this is fact. No sentimental discussions need to be had about whether we harness cosmic powers (whether they be nuclear or entheogenic) for good or evil, what will come of it: the point being that the progress cannot be stopped.
But social work and support has to keep up, humankind is like a toddler playing with fire. We need to use all our capacities to learn, preferably by applying sociodynamic policies that prevent as much harm as we can, and avoid getting burns.

 

[MattPsy]

Ever since reading the Ralf Heim thesis back in 2004 I've wanted to try these, and indeed largely learned pharmacology and drug design from my interest in them, trying to understand how binding worked at the very lowest level. In 2010 I finally got my wish.

 

[ebola?]

I learned about them via MattPsy in online discussions on that other board.
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Obviously cost/dose is incredible, but what are the advantages over 2C-x's?

The compounds don't have similar enough effects to warrant such a comparison (or rather, their effects aren't more similar than other fairly dissimilar serotonergic psychedelics).

ebola

 

[Sepher]

First heard about them when a UK RC vendor looked at getting the NBOMe analog of Mescaline in. Allegedly difficulties scaling up production to make it viable for them to stock it put paid to that. I was definitely interested in trying it as I'd had a massively disappointing experience with Peruvian Torch cacti not long previously to that, though what I've read on here since suggests it would have disappointed me. I'd give the NBOME-allylescaline a go if that comes in, and interested in the 2C-x analogs.

 

[entheoJIM]

Grateful Dead Spring 1986 Tour Before July's Blanket Federal "Designer Drug" Law. It was widely marketed as Bromo mescaline. So many interesting organics these days.

 

[Carlqua]

What does it stand for? I sure won't touch upon any of these until information about them in all aspects is disclosed.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Grateful Dead Spring 1986 Tour Before July's Blanket Federal "Designer Drug" Law. It was widely marketed as Bromo mescaline. So many interesting organics these days.

I think you're thinking of 2C-B not the NBOMe series

 

[ebola?]

What does it stand for?

n-benzyl-2-methoxy (that is, the 2 position on the ring bonded to the amine group, not the phenyl group of the phenethylamine backbone). There are already numerous trip reports and even academic research showing binding affinities widely available.

ebola

 

[huolesoh]

the NBOMe series is real strange, novel; essentially a freak potency twist on doctor shulgin's creations

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I have no fucking clue...how do you all not have a "I don't remember' answer?!

 

[ebola?]

"I don't remember" is not a useful datum.

 

[kylesgirl11]

A friend told me about NBOMe last year and they are my psychedelic of choice by far but you can't do them very often, and they are 8-10 hours of very intense... its an experience! AWESOME! for those learning, 25i is 5x stronger than 25b and about 13x stronger than 25c. not for the faint of heart, but those strong minded and strong willed people, go for it. .3mg-.5mg is a lighter trip, good to start with. .6-.9mg is a pretty solid trip, 1.0-1.4mg is a VERY EXTREME trip and i would never suggest or even allow any beginners to take over .5mg and for those who like psychedelics, but never tried NBOMe, i try over .8mg, please please please!!!Do not underestimate it, it really doesn't look like much of anything, but believe me, its def something!

 

[Ian224]

I learned about them from my friend. He had some one day and asked me if I wanted to try some 25i-NBOMe and I had some money so I was like yeah sure why not i'll go ahead and buy a tab and I let it sit in my mouth for a little bit but not long enough. He had some more about a week later and I got some more this time I got 3 tabs and I held them in my mouth for about 30 minutes and swallowed them and it was fantastic. Lasted for about 6-8 hours, very interesting visuals, tactile sensations are
awesome, music is great while on them. Very interesting.

 

[TheAppleCore]

for those learning, 25i is 5x stronger than 25b and about 13x stronger than 25c.

I'm not sure how you're quantifying the "strength" of the NBOMes, but if it has anything to do with dosage, you're wrong. 25I seems slightly less potent than 25C.

 

[OTGee]

Theres some dangerous stuff coming out on this, allover a few other forums. Some suppliers have stopped selling it for fear of being a scapegoat of any negative media attention. Weird shit about brain bleeding and hemorages, I mean I jsut read trip report of someone od'ing on 1mg, at first I was just like so some people OD'ed there the idiots for snorting like 10mg or something along those lines but I wouldn't say this is at all safe till theres some more info. I still have 7 blotters left and will save them until I know if it was just od's or if theres something very troubling and harmful about this.

 

[LSDreamer13]

^Not true.

 

[MattPsy]

A friend told me about NBOMe last year and they are my psychedelic of choice by far but you can't do them very often, and they are 8-10 hours of very intense... its an experience! AWESOME! for those learning, 25i is 5x stronger than 25b and about 13x stronger than 25c. not for the faint of heart, but those strong minded and strong willed people, go for it. .3mg-.5mg is a lighter trip, good to start with. .6-.9mg is a pretty solid trip, 1.0-1.4mg is a VERY EXTREME trip and i would never suggest or even allow any beginners to take over .5mg and for those who like psychedelics, but never tried NBOMe, i try over .8mg, please please please!!!Do not underestimate it, it really doesn't look like much of anything, but believe me, its def something!

Just thought i'd note here that the quoted figures by kylesgirl are COMPLETELY INACCURATE.
Please, anyone interested in these, check out the compound's respective Big and Dandy thread.