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any successful occasional meth/heroin users?

motherofearth said:
I'm the same as Captain H on this one, I had all the classic addiction problems with heroin. I probably just am not allured by meth in the same way, or I was already addicted to h and that was my main thing. I liked smoking meth, but whenever I shot it with my h it always seemed to hurt my arm, even when I registered. Coke always gave me a better rush.

I'd like to think there are people out there who do heroin 10-30 times in their lives, and never develop a problem, or never crave a single second. I won't rule it out, but I also see a lot of people unable to be at all open to the idea of an addiction because they evaluate their use of heroin/meth up to that minute in their life. I've known junkies in their teens, and junkies in their 60s, each demographic started with years of chipping, and within those years a deceiving confidence they were in some way outside of the human condition of addiction, or they were simply being very careful. People do it for 5 years, and no habit, it is not uncommon. But like some Faulkner character, they all tell their human story of addiction eventually in their life, the one's I know at least.

I'm not saying I personally don't know a few people who have tasted and not spent considerable time away. But I am saying I'll reserve my congratulations until their conclusion, that is, their non-heroin/meth-based conclusions.
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This is very well put.

I've known people that used heroin lightly for a few years, and then didn't touch it for ten years, then they tried it again and became addicted.
 
Thanks Znegative.

Yeah, before I went that way I received an hour long brimstone and thunder speech from my morphine connection about how it's a spider monkey you don't mind having around, but the whole time it is just keeping appearances as it grows into a gorilla which bites and beats you to an unrecognizable pulp daily. I was like, whatever, he's having his 15 mins. to sound like a badass, we're all entitled, I'm gonna zone out and think about some girl, or my finals, or whatever. I suppose their are myriad metaphors for this, but his works as well as any.

Strangely, lying in bed last night, considering the past three years, this dead child version of myself with no eyes or skin color manifested in my mind: my addiction incarnate! It did give me chills to think this ugly apparition has been next to me for years, and maybe for the hereon after.
 
I've used both but addicted to neither. I'm not deluded into thinking it isn't possible for me though although I really don't see the appeal in Heroin yet occaisionally fancy it again? Odd. I do see the appeal with Meth - I'm fortunate that it isn't easy to come across in the UK as I probably like it too much.
 
I have been using Heroin about once a month for almost 2 years now without any problems. I love opiates so much but I have seen what they have done to close friends and that is enough to keep me using at the rate I have been. Oh and I always IV. If I'm gonna do it I figure I might as well get the most out of it when I treat myself.
 
^I don't want to sound preachy, but that is not very bright (though it sounds like we're cut from the same cloth because that's my fucked up sense of logic too). However, while you might not get addicted, you can still OD, and that would not be succesful by any means
 
I have been a off and on user for years. I tend to use for one or two days max then I will abstain from using for 2-3 days then use again and repeat. I have never craved or gotten severe withdrawals or felt the urge to pick up a needle to dose. I think a bit has to do with I have to drive a hour one way to meet my plug. Some users are able to control there habits and others may try it one or two times and then quickly are sucked into D's heavenly high.
 
Advice Needed

Hey everybody, this is my first online post relating to drugs but I need some advice, forgive me if I come off as shy. I've used dope for about 2 years now, I was hooked awhile back and it got a hold of me pretty good. I've been clean and sober for 4 months and im doing great, life is good for the most part but im starting to feel the urge to use again. I know the ins and outs, and I know what it's like to be hopelessly addicted and I strive to never do that again.

My question is: Is there anyone here who has successfully recreationally used occasionally, once or twice a year (I think this is called Chipping)? or am I better off just trying to stay clean?
 
Opana78 said:
Hey everybody, this is my first online post relating to drugs but I need some advice, forgive me if I come off as shy. I've used dope for about 2 years now, I was hooked awhile back and it got a hold of me pretty good. I've been clean and sober for 4 months and im doing great, life is good for the most part but im starting to feel the urge to use again. I know the ins and outs, and I know what it's like to be hopelessly addicted and I strive to never do that again.

My question is: Is there anyone here who has successfully recreationally used occasionally, once or twice a year (I think this is called Chipping)? or am I better off just trying to stay clean?
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I've been using for a very long time and have never met anybody who could "chip" with any kind of long term status. The drug is so addicting and ruins so many lives for a reason... So is it possible psychically to only use occasionally.. Yes. Is it at all probable? No. Maybe you'll be able to pull it off for a little while but eventually, you'll probably end up strung out again. That's the cold hard truth of the matter.

You have 4 months clean.. which is a great accomplishment. Why risk going backwards? Because the next time you get hooked, it'll probably be much worse than the last one.. that's how this disease works. It's progressive. You need to fight the urges to get high and block out the part of you that says "Yeah if I really try I can not pick up a habit" because millions of people have said that exact thing, only to end up dead, or just completely miserable. What makes you think you'd be any different?

To answer your question more directly.. Are you better off just staying clean? Yes
 
mr.scagnattie said:
I've been using for a very long time and have never met anybody who could "chip" with any kind of long term status. The drug is so addicting and ruins so many lives for a reason... So is it possible psychically to only use occasionally.. Yes. Is it at all probable? No. Maybe you'll be able to pull it off for a little while but eventually, you'll probably end up strung out again. That's the cold hard truth of the matter.

You have 4 months clean.. which is a great accomplishment. Why risk going backwards? Because the next time you get hooked, it'll probably be much worse than the last one.. that's how this disease works. It's progressive. You need to fight the urges to get high and block out the part of you that says "Yeah if I really try I can not pick up a habit" because millions of people have said that exact thing, only to end up dead, or just completely miserable. What makes you think you'd be any different?

To answer your question more directly.. Are you better off just staying clean? Yes
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Thank you for the honesty, I really appreciate it. In my head I know your right 200% I'm just battling constantly, just kinda hard to forget what touching the sun is like.
 
Opana,
You don't "come off" as anything other than a welcome member of our community who is asking for help. :)
If You ask enough people you are bound to find a few who claim to be able to use once or twice a year after being severely addicted. May I ask you ...what if someone posted right now saying something along these lines?
I'm not trying to sound harsh, but if a few posts implying that it could be done successfully is all it's going to take to get you to the point where you decide to pick up, I'd guess your mind was already made up.
I've been through the getting clean and sober deal (6 yrs). I'm here to tell you that for me it's not possible to use occasionally. Period.
I wish you the best and pm if you want to talk.
Cat
 
macd610 said:
Opana,
You don't "come off" as anything other than a welcome member of our community who is asking for help. :)
If You ask enough people you are bound to find a few who claim to be able to use once or twice a year after being severely addicted. May I ask you ...what if someone posted right now saying something along these lines?
I'm not trying to sound harsh, but if a few posts implying that it could be done successfully is all it's going to take to get you to the point where you decide to pick up, I'd guess your mind was already made up.
I've been through the getting clean and sober deal (6 yrs). I'm here to tell you that for me it's not possible to use occasionally. Period.
I wish you the best and pm if you want to talk.
Cat
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To be honest your absolutely right, that's precisely the problem when your fiending though. Probably one of the more "light hearted" reasons I went to pick up was because I had a 3 day weekend to myself and I got 4 bags, I can rationalize it however I want. I just got over being horrendously addicted (buying two Jabs a week) so the sober lifestyle is still a new change of pace. Actually being sober off of anything is really a change of pace, I just ate 2 giant bags of M&M's to help ease the pain lol.

Whats getting me is how the mind remembers, around the exact same time last year me and my friend got cash together and picked up a TON of dope. So I guess im transitioning through that memory or phase if you will, it's a interesting "Trigger". Believe me god know's I want to be sober, but it's times like these that really test your patience :X.

Thanks for the advice and the welcome! :)
 
This is more of a drug culture topic and we have a thread on it so I am going to move this there and merge it in with said thread.

OD --> DC --> merged
 
I think it is an active struggle to not get addicted. Some people get addicted, some don't, but I think it is more about individual's will power and things going on in their life rather than something in one's dna predisposing them to addiction. I have seen people without family addiction fall, and people with alcoholic/junkie family members that don't.

I got into it, and didn't even realize i was addicted until I got WD sick like 4 times. I had not realized that my dosing had tripled because of that growing haze.
 
I first started sniffing heroin last april. Since then, I would estimate that I've used about 1.5 grams, all intranasally.

I think the things keeping me from full blown addiction are:
1. RoA. Sniffing is supposedly quite a bit less addicting than IV
2. I only get my gear off of the deepweb, which is time consuming. I don't know anyone that sells H personally, and I'd have a hard time tracking someone down.
3. None of my friends do it. Some of them have tried it with me before, but most of them would condemn me if they knew I had done it.

Those three factors are keeping me locked into occasional use. That being said, I'm not really actively trying to keep it under control, so if one of those things fell through, I suppose I would start using it more frequently.
 
PLEASE READ, SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH =)

Hey there! Sorry for the delay but did you ever get any true enlightenment on the using the cmeth to kick
your junk habbit?

I read the entire thread and never had I felt so bad for the person asking the original question.

One really needs to really read what they reel in here, before they net it as fact and take it home and
cook it up, lol

Of course you can very successfully use CMeth to kick Heroin. This is one of only two ways I personally, ever got
sober on my own (3 attempts, FAIL, 1 wash, 1 success). I know it works and how easy it is (As long as ur not already a
cmeth addict/ That's THE ONLY CATCH,PERIOD)
Here's whats up..... Meth, when taken, jacks up your norepinephrine (energy) and also creates dopamine "imposters"
(pleasure)But Not real dopamine, your blasted-low, real
dopamine levels from long term, use of opiates will not have any factor on how lit and how surprisingly good you will
feel.
will it curb the wds?You bet it will, and it will do more, It takes your mind away from the psych craving of heroin, so
you get started on that right away. No 7-10 day headstart for the drug using this method..........AND since
you aint sleeping for 3-5 days anyway, you are not missing out on anything short of horrible,cold,
feelings and watching the second hand of the clock slowly go moving by, as our beloved Mike Ness from Social D
use to bark about, when kicking his habbit....Seriously, consider new information but do not listen to anyone
but that voice guiding you, go for it.

IT has been my hands down most pleasant/doable detox on record. The other was using Baclofen to curb WDs
(another secret nobody seems to know about or be offering you,hmmm.....??) This was classic game of Show & Tell,
They all told you just about everything, but they didn't show you anything of importance. When you get time,
check out my youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9aR5BvEgqU (?) or do youtube search for clinical secret for opiate ...

In Post, Most everyone was entirely wrong or overly sensitive about their own issues when doing the two simotaneously and
btw/ It was prob for a time doing those drugs, and if they werent, they were just copy/pasting other dogma they pulled off of the
anti-drug websites, they dont bother to realize what they are reading and by whom and for whom is was
written. NOT FOR YOU! It's kinda scary how easily a strangers advice gets boosted as Fact, and how easily it can hurt
someone.

The ONLY GOOD/BAD NEWS: IF you can't kick tar, you'll be okay... You'll prob be broke, possibly homeless at
times, but youll live mostly content/high until you figure out a way to kick it successfully, most likely jail, possession
or the like. This is when you CAN die, because the idea of your relapse dose compared to your now legendary craving will put
the final nail in the coffin. You will OD and die. This is in store for most us Opiate addicts, The long, painful walk
down to the Abyss. I cant recall where this is from but, "MAn looks into the abyss,and nothing is staring back at him,
It's at this time that man finds his character/purpose, and that is what keeps him out of the abyss."
This info is only to warn,inform, & motivate you, and possibly invoking a metaphor or two you can use as ammo for your
personal understanding of what you are going through. Remember there is a big reason you have been chosen to go through
this addiction. To Hoakey?
Well................Here is what is really going on...

And this last part is free for you as long as you promise to seriously think about it.

You are not everyone, dont let the numbers or the statistics Distort, or define who you are.... EVER!
You know, "That famous sorcery trick using the Illusion of the mob-mindset?" It was Gandhi who said, "Even if
you are in a minorioty of One, the Truth is still the Truth."
Remember, and it will never break down any easier than this: You are the experiencer, having
an experience, IF you let the experience define who you are, then you are now part of that experience and you
CAN NO LONGER be the experiencer, and you will cease to be you!!!!! You will forever be trapped as part of
your own experience. You are beautiful and you ARE more loved than you will ever be made aware of! If you get
a moment hit me on youtube or at bluelight, I'll be around, there too much stuff to be done to leave.
Love - CWG138
 
Yep, I've been doing meth for maybe 8 months now...started off at twice a week (no redosing)...then once a week...then once every 2 weeks...now I'm at about once every 3 weeks or month. I've been doing heroin for a little over a month now and kept stricting to 2x a week (spaced as far apart as possible, never redosing). And trust me, I love both of them. On top of that, I have plenty of each in my drawer right now available for me to use at any time I want
 
Weekend/Sporadic/Occasional H/Oxy Users: Raaaaise Up.

I'm one (I guess I'm counting any opioid harder than norcos), but lot long-enough term to where I feel I know I'll pull it off. Eerily, I don't see that many posting as I'd like to... I just want at least one old dog to tell me he's managed it with a career for 40+ years. I mean, there are some functional famous people/celeb examples kind of. But if ur famous, instant access/money/supply solves half the problems; then u basically just have to not OD and can pull off being somewhat functional for a at least a time.


Extra credit for how long you've kept it up.

Negative point is if u only do it occasionally because you're that bad at getting money but would/will do it daily in a heartbeat.

Bonus point if u slam it and still don't use whenever u have the funds.


2nd question for any daily users: Are u maintaining a ceiling dose and content? Or is it creeping?
 
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I can be somewhat functional even when in the throes of Morphine addiction. It's been 6 years since I first used, I only tried the needle once with Oxymorphone, but I was way too high and the vein exploded so thankfully I've never touched it again.
I've been through periods of sixth months with 2000mg of Morphine within six feet of me (Not mine) and not caved, and I've also stolen pain-killers and pawned my stuff for a dose that would barely hold the sickness back.
It's a bad road, weekend and sporadic use quickly becomes multiple times weekly and when you're not high it's all you think about. Then the weekly use becomes daily use, and then you're not even high - you're sick or you're well.
 
I rocked weekends for 1.5 years. Then it got me. I've been able to keep my tolerance down (20-40mg oxy) and keep my self in check though. My bills are mostly paid, but I have no savings after two years of daily use. In the midst of a quick sub taper to get clean for at least a while.
 
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