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any successful occasional meth/heroin users?

i think you've created this thread hoping to find some users who'll reassure your own drug habit
but what you'll find is people who started off like you either stopped or slipped into addiction
 
I'm pulling for ya, weekend. I'd like to get to that point without getting hooked again!!!
 
weekend addiction said:
When I first started to use opiates it was only occasionally. Now I'm a former IV addict who chips with OC or lately kratom. A few months after total abstinence and I thought I could flirt with danger a bit. I did and so far it hasn't come back to get me...
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was hoping u held up to your username..
 
I have been using meth on regular basis since 2007.....I've had periods of maybe a few weeks where i didnt have it...but never longer than a month. My life is for the most part, together. When I can't afford it...I don't get it. I enjoy having it.....I'd like to have it everyday if I could.
 
I've done cococaine, heroin, and methamphetamine. I keep ALL my drug usage on a strictly weekly basis. It's not the safest idea, but it's certainly better than succumbing to addiction.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
If you think you can use heroin and not probably end up addicted and ruining your life eventually then you are just deluding yourself.

People on BL read replies like some of the above and then think well maybe if I'm smart I can avoid addiction. Famous last words.
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It's certainly possible. The problem is that opioids feel similar to sexual pleasure, and we all know how reinforcing that is.
 
I smoked quality meth once and never touched it again. I know the producer, could get more, but meth is just too good. D-amp is plenty enough.

I managed to use opiates/amps occasionally just fine untill recently. When it comes to hard drugs, the side effects often outweigh the high it yields, so I was never interested in anything more than a binge on the sparse occasion I had funds/access to the stuff. Even if I tried getting high on opiates daily, by the 2nd or 3rd day I can't stand the side effects and I cant stand it. I haven't really enjoyed opiates much in years anyways since they're 2-3x more expensive now. Stims feel so hard on the body I didn't care to repeat them very often.

But the last month things were different. Have had constant back pains/problems for a while now, been taking kratom daily for ~2 years to self medicate, and the last year they had gotten pretty bad and I wasn't able to see a doctor for treatment till just recently. The month before I was able to see a doc, and still this months still, I've progressively turned to stimulants more frequently for relief. Weird thing is, I can get nice and high on an opiate/opioid and the bad pains almost fully persist through it. Speed mitigates the pain more effectively... part of my pains are leg pains from chronic RLS too which is dopamine related. For a couple weeks of the last month or so it was almost a daily thing. Now I'm beginning to step back and put the stims down for a good while now that I'm finally getting treatment. Was crazy being limited to mostly lying in bed all day just trying to manage the pains/discomfort for the final stretch before treatment. I think I'd be crazy or severely depressed if it wasn't for meditation and such. I've managed to keep positive all along for the most part -- but no one's perfect.


So, I should be able to put stims down without much effort now. I have natural l-dopa and 5-htp suppliments (mucuna puriens and griffonia simplicifolia respectively) to help balance things out after ceasing use. Will pretty much just be mental willpower from there. I've still been buying some the last few days but I've decided to stop buying them completely now. Just have a little bit left now that I plan to waste away tonight. Only mucuna + kratom tomorrow. I barely get any enjoyment out of speed at this point anyways and it makes me feel unhealthy.

I plan to taper off opioids (kratom / whatever meds I end up on from doc) once my back is healthy again. I formed a kratom dependency when I first started using it for recreation at first after a few months and was able to taper down and drop that before without much trouble (it was very uncomfortable tapering off it though). I have faith that I can eventually drop my dependencies in the future. I just fear I'll end up with a bigger opioid/opiate dependence once my doc settles on what to rx me. Hoping to try some non-opioid painkillers for treatment. As I said before, opioids/opiates dont reduce my pain much.

Let's see where things go... I wouldn't recommend anyone else try using hard drugs in moderation. I feel I've been lucky to never had liked them enough to get too into it until recently. Most people probably aren't like me.
 
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cwg138 said:
PLEASE READ, SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH =)

Hey there! Sorry for the delay but did you ever get any true enlightenment on the using the cmeth to kick
your junk habbit?

I read the entire thread and never had I felt so bad for the person asking the original question.

One really needs to really read what they reel in here, before they net it as fact and take it home and
cook it up, lol

Of course you can very successfully use CMeth to kick Heroin. This is one of only two ways I personally, ever got
sober on my own (3 attempts, FAIL, 1 wash, 1 success). I know it works and how easy it is (As long as ur not already a
cmeth addict/ That's THE ONLY CATCH,PERIOD)
Here's whats up..... Meth, when taken, jacks up your norepinephrine (energy) and also creates dopamine "imposters"
(pleasure)But Not real dopamine, your blasted-low, real
dopamine levels from long term, use of opiates will not have any factor on how lit and how surprisingly good you will
feel.
will it curb the wds?You bet it will, and it will do more, It takes your mind away from the psych craving of heroin, so
you get started on that right away. No 7-10 day headstart for the drug using this method..........AND since
you aint sleeping for 3-5 days anyway, you are not missing out on anything short of horrible,cold,
feelings and watching the second hand of the clock slowly go moving by, as our beloved Mike Ness from Social D
use to bark about, when kicking his habbit....Seriously, consider new information but do not listen to anyone
but that voice guiding you, go for it.

IT has been my hands down most pleasant/doable detox on record. The other was using Baclofen to curb WDs
(another secret nobody seems to know about or be offering you,hmmm.....??) This was classic game of Show & Tell,
They all told you just about everything, but they didn't show you anything of importance. When you get time,
check out my youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9aR5BvEgqU (?) or do youtube search for clinical secret for opiate ...

In Post, Most everyone was entirely wrong or overly sensitive about their own issues when doing the two simotaneously and
btw/ It was prob for a time doing those drugs, and if they werent, they were just copy/pasting other dogma they pulled off of the
anti-drug websites, they dont bother to realize what they are reading and by whom and for whom is was
written. NOT FOR YOU! It's kinda scary how easily a strangers advice gets boosted as Fact, and how easily it can hurt
someone.

The ONLY GOOD/BAD NEWS: IF you can't kick tar, you'll be okay... You'll prob be broke, possibly homeless at
times, but youll live mostly content/high until you figure out a way to kick it successfully, most likely jail, possession
or the like. This is when you CAN die, because the idea of your relapse dose compared to your now legendary craving will put
the final nail in the coffin. You will OD and die. This is in store for most us Opiate addicts, The long, painful walk
down to the Abyss. I cant recall where this is from but, "MAn looks into the abyss,and nothing is staring back at him,
It's at this time that man finds his character/purpose, and that is what keeps him out of the abyss."
This info is only to warn,inform, & motivate you, and possibly invoking a metaphor or two you can use as ammo for your
personal understanding of what you are going through. Remember there is a big reason you have been chosen to go through
this addiction. To Hoakey?
Well................Here is what is really going on...

And this last part is free for you as long as you promise to seriously think about it.

You are not everyone, dont let the numbers or the statistics Distort, or define who you are.... EVER!
You know, "That famous sorcery trick using the Illusion of the mob-mindset?" It was Gandhi who said, "Even if
you are in a minorioty of One, the Truth is still the Truth."
Remember, and it will never break down any easier than this: You are the experiencer, having
an experience, IF you let the experience define who you are, then you are now part of that experience and you
CAN NO LONGER be the experiencer, and you will cease to be you!!!!! You will forever be trapped as part of
your own experience. You are beautiful and you ARE more loved than you will ever be made aware of! If you get
a moment hit me on youtube or at bluelight, I'll be around, there too much stuff to be done to leave.
Love - CWG138
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Hahaha...awesome
 
cyberius said:
I've done cococaine, heroin, and methamphetamine. I keep ALL my drug usage on a strictly weekly basis. It's not the safest idea, but it's certainly better than succumbing to addiction.
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What do you mean by a weekly basis?
 
I was successful at keeping my meth use to a single three-day binge once a month, but the last time I used it, i used it every day for a week, slept every day, and banged it every time I used it, and I realized that it could very easily become a manageable, yet damaging habit, so I quit.
 
I do know some successful chippers, as in they keep heroin usage to weekends mostly, because I am the only way they have access to skag. One of them, I'm pretty sure can't get dope from anyone else esp since he can't drive right now, so I'm his only source. I do consider him a good friend and won't hook it up ever more than 2 days in a row, and recently it's been well over a week. I tell him bits of advice all the time about quitting or cutting back and taking breaks. Of course, I can't take my own advice.

Successful chippers are only that way because they have crap dealers/sources or live in an area where the dope is pretty bad. My friend does dope often enough that he can't justify getting oxys anymore because of how expensive they are compared to dope. He could have another source, but I would be highly surprised.
 
I dabbled with heroin several times (lifetime tally something like 15 sessions) and used meth regularly for a few years without developing a habit (for the latter, I would feel fine on days without / extended breaks). Lack of access could have been what saved me in both cases though. :P

ebola
 
Yeah, I use heroin probably once every two days, so more than occasional I guess...

Also used to have a big ass meth problem, but I haven't used that in more than a month. Gets boring....

But yeah, I'm a full time student in college and hopefully will be getting a job tomorrow either with Mr. Rooter Plumbing or a temp agency in town. Of course, 2 classes are online, but I digress...

It's fucking hard bro. Last monday, I was in astronomy nodding off so hard, and before class started I was hanging out in the library and I drooled very badly over some book on Alternative States of Consciousness. Thank god I can sit in the very back of class, or else someone would have noticed.

Yeah....
 
Ok, so I've put the speed down. Been daily for the last few weeks as I said above. I could've just bought it one more day. Could easily reason with myself that I still have one day to kill until I see the doc tomorrow. (Getting MRI results and some medication.) Had the money, it's available, a small part of my mind wouldn't mind the indulgence. Minor element of craving for the joys of smoking a fat hit out of the pipe. It sure is a nice treat.

But that's to be expected. My lungs are unhappy with me and I couldn't bother putting all this stress on my body for one more last time. I couldn't keep on doing this forever. It had to end sometime, the honeymoon was over. Now I couldn't be bothered to put this shit in my body for a good while. Im still down for enjoying a speed binge on sparse occasions in the future. Only once my back is better. Gotta focus on recovery now.

^Phase 0, stims really do get old eventually.

LSDiesel said:
Successful chippers are only that way because they have crap dealers/sources or live in an area where the dope is pretty bad.
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This may be a common case with some, but not all. A 'true chipper' with consistent access to quality sources, etc., is possible. But it'd be rare. There are some who have the willpower to use the most addicting drugs in moderation. I wouldn't consider my past light use as a chipper though. I mostly try things once and learn about them. There's only a few select hard drugs I've ever liked enough to revisit.
 
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