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any successful occasional meth/heroin users?

^ What is with your attitude lately? I've met plenty of mentally strong people who happen to have an overactive fight-or-flight response. I'm one of them.

It's not a lately attitude trust me. I say things as they are. I love harm reduction a lot, but I love truth more. And the truth is that if moderate doses of methamphetamine give you a panic attack, you're not mentally strong. Period.

If we all acknowledge crap like that where will it end? Might as well make up stuff on methamphetamine saying your penis will turn black and they have to amputate. That will prevent quite a few folks from using! Great harm reduction!

But...naturally...you would have to consider what will happen to the credibility of this site afterwards. If this site uses stereotypes like, blondes are dumb, or, methamphetamine gives you panic attacks, people will no longer take it seriously. This is a serious fucking site. We state things as they are. I simply refuse to tell people they will grow hair in their palm to stop them from masturbating.
 
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'Telling it like it is' is not an excuse for being a dick to everyone who asks a question. People make poor choices; this is a drug forum after all so it's something of a prerequisite for being here in the first place.
 
A responsible "consistent" Methamphetamine User :D


Has anyone ever heard of this? I'm sure there has to at least be one responsible meth user out there.

Maybe there is a man out there that raises a family of 4 and works a blue collar job. He pays his bills & taxes on time. The only thing he does is take one hit on the meth pipe in the morning for the energy needed to be a sufficient worker. He makes sure only to take one hit at 6 AM, so he can get to sleep at 10 PM every night AND he makes sure he washes out on the weekend (not use meth), so he doesn't become dependent on the substance. If his tolerance starts to build and he becomes too dependent, he quickly stops using meth and substitutes to caffeine. Sure, there are going to be some withdrawals, but he sucks it up and gets through it.

Is this possible? I'm sure there has to be at least one guy or gal out there. I mean the odds would be like 00.0000001%, but you never know.

I merged this in with a similar existing thread. I believe that this one was more geared towards meth at first, and although it also discusses opiate use this thread is more dedicated to that.
 
I first tried opiates back in May 2009. Since then, I have used "successfully" most of the time, but I had two separate 2-3 month periods where usage got out of control. From September-December 2009 my usage kept steadily increasing. Once a week became two times a week became three times. By December I had used 9 days in a row and didn't see myself stopping. Also, while I had shot up a few times with heroin before December, in that month I began shooting up ALONE which was a major step. Things very quickly started spiraling and since then I have shot up only once.

I quit, went through medium level withdrawals, and went on with my life. Used opiates whenever I could find them, mostly heroin but sometimes painkillers as well. Up until Sep 2012, I never had my own heroin dealer. This was huge. Though I could easily access the drug, I always went through someone else. This made coordinating pickups alot more challenging and prevented me from super easy access to the drug (instead it was just pretty easy). In Sep 2012 I found a dealer that was not sketchy and would meet with me in semi-suburban college campus settings. I quickly began using everyday. My only saving grace was that I stayed away from shooting up again. Still, I had to go to rehab and all that jazz to get over it. That was the worst I've ever been in my life.

Since then, I've used opiates (Heroin, oxycodone, and codeine) about 25-30 times. Only one time did I shoot it. And the most amount of days I used in a row was 2. What prevents me from being a full time addict again is a combination of lack of consistent funds, remembering how awful it is to be a full-time addict, and more going on in my life to look forward to.

Most of my money is now tied up in bills, food, etc. In 2012 I still had support paying for my rent/food/utilities, and I had a ton of money saved up on top of also working full time. Now I have to cover myself and my family knows what signs to look for so I just can't get away with full-blown addiction without alienating everyone.

Seriously remembering how awful I felt by December 2012 really helps too. I was completely broken out in nasty scabs and acne. I truly looked terrible. I gained probably 20 pounds. I had trouble walking, breathing, etc (I had always been an active guy). I hated myself and everyone around me. I hated living. I spent most of the time wanting to die. The only joy I had was the moment when I picked up a new heroin dosage. Not even doing the drugs, just picking it up. Doing it had little effect besides taking away extreme illness. So yeah, when I think of that, it's enough to make me just wait it out between usage dates.

Do I think I could pull this off forever? I don't know. It's been a year since the first time I re-tried opiates and so far so good. I always know that full blown addiction is there waiting for me and I don't take it lightly.


Never did meth. Have messed around with a lot of stimulants, and have gone on some benders but overall just am more of a downers kind of guy. Maybe meth would change my mind on that.
 
I've probably responded to this before but yeah.... this works for us.
I'm 23, my boyfriend is 24. I have a pretty awesome job, I make more than a regular 23 year old (probably about the amount you'd expect to earn in your late 20s). Corporate job. I actually like it. My boyfriend (of over four years) has a crazy good job that he enjoys as well (probably makes what someone 15 yrs older than him would expect to make lol). Planning to buy a house soon. Enjoy recreational use ON WEEKENDS only. We have had weekends where we work Friday, come home, don't sleep til Sunday night. Long weekends are the craziest because sometimes you don't have to worry about sleeping til Monday :P
We don't use substances during the week (from the start of the workweek til the end of the workweek), maybe caffeine once a week. Making smoking weed one evening (once work is done). That's it. I guess we've been doing this for a few years and no issues :) but you do have to be responsible about it.
 
Now don't take this as an insult I'm just trying to look at this from multiple perspectives. You've used 20 times in the last three years and no addiction I believe you mean you havent ran into a dependence or any withdraws but that doesn't mean there is no addiction. Just because it is a controlled use over a period of time doesnt mean there is none there is such a thing as a controlled addiction and not always but most of the time at least from my experience that controlled addiction will eventually turn into a out of control physical dependent addiction. Now dont get me wrong there are plently of people who can keep it controlled forever but again that doesn't necessarily mean there is no "addiction" in their use but my question for you is can you stop? just go cold turkey and be done?
 
I've used heroin occasionally and never got addicted.

Wish I could say the same about meth... I'm now slowly recovering from a heavy 3 year addiction. :\
ive also IV'd and snorted heroin and I never really like the zombie and vegetable state it left me in. id rather be trying to function (its a trap you tell yourself you are getting things done..but you're not, more likely then not you spend hours fapping -_-) and being up so meth fit the groove for me. I dunno i feel like SOMETHING in the dope always makes me sick. I get some stamps that are good but usually something causes a prolonged nausea
 
Never tried H but oxy Has griped my life like an eagle swoops down for a mouse, I have done meth maybe 20-30 times and truly do not see how someone would want to do that shit all the time. i like my sleep! and for me its not really that great because i have been taking adderall since i was in high school ! I did meth about 8 days ago and it only reminded me that i dont really like the feeling. yeah lets all stay up for 30-40 hours and get all paranoid! I would rather nod off on some oxy ! and will not touch H because i will like it to much and within a year or less be doing anything for it. Drugs are bad emmm kay
 
Now don't take this as an insult I'm just trying to look at this from multiple perspectives. You've used 20 times in the last three years and no addiction I believe you mean you havent ran into a dependence or any withdraws but that doesn't mean there is no addiction. Just because it is a controlled use over a period of time doesnt mean there is none there is such a thing as a controlled addiction and not always but most of the time at least from my experience that controlled addiction will eventually turn into a out of control physical dependent addiction. Now dont get me wrong there are plently of people who can keep it controlled forever but again that doesn't necessarily mean there is no "addiction" in their use but my question for you is can you stop? just go cold turkey and be done?

THis thread is a little old but to respond to your statement. Controlled addiction contradicts itself based on their definitions. When addiction is present, any control is fuckin gone. That is a major part of being addicted. You have no control. Controlled drug use is what is happening here. Would you say that someone is addicted to alcohol if they get drunk a few times a year. I wouldn't. Its not something they rely on nor do they experience adverse problems because of it. Having problems with it and still drinking as well would have to be taking place. So controlled addiction I dont buy.
 
Haha I wish I could use meth occasionally and I know a few people who do and it makes me envious. Once I pick up the pipe it's over, my only two options when it come to meth are to keep using or quit forever. I've tried more times than I can remember to keep it under control by only using it as an occasional party drug but it fails every time. However I have met a few people that used it occasionally without getting hooked but I haven't seen them in years so I have no idea if they quit, continued using occasionally, or ended up getting addicted. I blaze shards everyday because I'm to the point where I need it to function and if I go a day without it, I'm unable to get my ass out of bed. I wouldn't consider myself "successful" but I'm probably better off than most tweakers. I rent a one story 3 bedroom house with my bf in a descent neighborhood and an online job that pays pretty well and allows me to work whenever I want from home. What sucks about my job is that it's in the same category as stripping, which means I can only do it for so long until I reach a certain age and I don't any backup career plans or a college degree so that's why I don't think of myself as successful.
 
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I lightly experimented with H and other hard drugs (no meth). I don't know how but I didn't get addicted. it was fun but it could have cost me everything. What seperates the experimenter from the addict? Maybe luck, maybe biology, I don't know. Looking back it was stupid. Its not worth the risk.

That's what it was like for me with opiates like oxy, hydro, and codeine, and the one time I used coke.

I'm damn lucky I never got addicted to any of them. I never touched H, or crack. Pharmaceutical grade stimulants like Dexedrine and Adderall were a lot easier to find than actual meth where I grew up on the East Coast. I knew people I grew up with who had what they thought was meth but it was just Amphetamine sulfate since they said that it was not stronger than Dexedrine/Adderall and the high was exactly the same.
 
whats your definition of addicted?

Like have any of you been able to keep it at a weekly or monthly use without getting carried away and addicited?

Ive been using on and off since 2002. For 4 years without any real issues but since then ive had a few short bouts (maybe 2 months at the most) of daily use and ive had a fair bit of withdrawal and hone through periods of injecting but now 10 plus years down the line im using a bag or two a week, only ever smoked and ive managed to graduate from uni and hold down several jobs in the process. Ive never comitted crime to fund it and i look after myself most of time. I have bipolar and i could easily use every day because of that but i respect the drug and know it could destroy me. Most street junkies would be jealous of me but in reality im still a junky. Also, i have weekly psychotherapy and ive just completed a course of addiction counselling. I want to stop completely but that seemingly small bag per week is the hardest to kick.

I dont beat myself up because i know its not my fault. Ive tried everything to stay clean. Ive made the effort and ive come a long way. I got reaally depressed a few years ago and was using huge doses. Long story short i died for a short time and was revived. Since then ive wanted to get properly clean.
Basically id probably be viewed as a fairly succesful addict but its been a constant battle to keep my head above water trust me., its damaged my life in more unexpected ways.

Dabble if you want but you better be prepared for that feeling haunting you for ever.
 
for my own curiosity, what is "occasional"?

I like to consider myself occasional since I no longer use daily and just once, maybe twice, a week nowadays. but I know in the real world that is far from occasional; esp. since I am on Suboxone those other days. but to me, occasional, so just wondering what you mean.
 
Ive been using on and off since 2002. For 4 years without any real issues but since then ive had a few short bouts (maybe 2 months at the most) of daily use and ive had a fair bit of withdrawal and hone through periods of injecting but now 10 plus years down the line im using a bag or two a week, only ever smoked and ive managed to graduate from uni and hold down several jobs in the process. Ive never comitted crime to fund it and i look after myself most of time. I have bipolar and i could easily use every day because of that but i respect the drug and know it could destroy me. Most street junkies would be jealous of me but in reality im still a junky. Also, i have weekly psychotherapy and ive just completed a course of addiction counselling. I want to stop completely but that seemingly small bag per week is the hardest to kick.

I dont beat myself up because i know its not my fault. Ive tried everything to stay clean. Ive made the effort and ive come a long way. I got reaally depressed a few years ago and was using huge doses. Long story short i died for a short time and was revived. Since then ive wanted to get properly clean.
Basically id probably be viewed as a fairly succesful addict but its been a constant battle to keep my head above water trust me., its damaged my life in more unexpected ways.

Dabble if you want but you better be prepared for that feeling haunting you for ever.
yea, but how excited are you on those 2 days?? just be cumming your pants, man.

I pray this day one day comes for me as well but I know its either I quit it all or I dont none; the middle game hard to play.
 
I use crystal meth on occasion, and haven't become addicted. I believe it depends on the person, really. I also never got hooked on cigarettes
 
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